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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/17/the-fry-question/#comment-14990</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m from North America but have lived in Thailand for the last 7 years. If there is one thing that I would list as the &quot;most popular&quot; product from the west it would be french fries by a country mile.

They love them. I&#039;m not talking about Mcdonalds, I&#039;m talking about all the Thai street vendors who sell them in street stalls.

Yes, it is the younger generation up to about 25 years old who buys them. The old generation is still eating healthy!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m from North America but have lived in Thailand for the last 7 years. If there is one thing that I would list as the &#8220;most popular&#8221; product from the west it would be french fries by a country mile.</p>
<p>They love them. I&#8217;m not talking about Mcdonalds, I&#8217;m talking about all the Thai street vendors who sell them in street stalls.</p>
<p>Yes, it is the younger generation up to about 25 years old who buys them. The old generation is still eating healthy!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward W. Stanley</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/17/the-fry-question/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward W. Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am allergic to fries but love them still.  I give a sneezing fit, just like a beer will or mashed potatotes.  I will eat them till the end of me.  God bless french fries.  They are yummy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am allergic to fries but love them still.  I give a sneezing fit, just like a beer will or mashed potatotes.  I will eat them till the end of me.  God bless french fries.  They are yummy.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bailey</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/17/the-fry-question/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 03:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a fan.  French fries, and most other &quot;junk foods&quot; are definitely not some of my favourites.  I blame mum.  She brought me up right.  Eat  your veggies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a fan.  French fries, and most other &#8220;junk foods&#8221; are definitely not some of my favourites.  I blame mum.  She brought me up right.  Eat  your veggies!</p>
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		<title>By: Alderete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alderete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2004 03:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty clear that there are not a lot of cooks visiting this blog!

&lt;blockquote&gt;whereas a true French fry will be (as you know) nice and crispy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That sounds like a McDonald&#039;s fry to me, not a true french fry at all. A classical french fry is actually a bit thicker, without being thick. Maybe twice as wide on the two small dimensions. This allows the potato to cook all the way through, and get crispy on the outside, while still being a bit creamy on the inside. Perfection.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The trick (I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty clear that there are not a lot of cooks visiting this blog!</p>
<blockquote><p>whereas a true French fry will be (as you know) nice and crispy.</p></blockquote>
<p>That sounds like a McDonald&#8217;s fry to me, not a true french fry at all. A classical french fry is actually a bit thicker, without being thick. Maybe twice as wide on the two small dimensions. This allows the potato to cook all the way through, and get crispy on the outside, while still being a bit creamy on the inside. Perfection.</p>
<blockquote><p>The trick (I</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Root</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/17/the-fry-question/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Root</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2004 19:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a typo in my uri of all things. I am enjoying this thread ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a typo in my uri of all things. I am enjoying this thread ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/17/the-fry-question/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2004 14:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can we talk of potato preparation and not mention hash browns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can we talk of potato preparation and not mention hash browns?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/17/the-fry-question/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 May 2004 23:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>French fries - generally thin hard crispy and covered in grains of salt 
Attributes - 1. tend to get jammed down between the edges of your teeth and your gums. 2. Have a tendancy to shred the lining of your mouth with the sharp pointy bits at either end.

Chips - fat with a crispy outer coating and soft in the middle.
Attributes 1. Easily taken hold of and dunked in [gravy, sauce, butter ......] 2. Generally associated as a British thing. 3. Can be served with a wide variety of other foods. However, again the British thing, usually with fish. 4. 

For those intersted, the perfect chip is prepared in 4 stages.

Recipe for the perfect chip. Buy late crop potatoes e.g. King Edwards or some other red skinned late potato. Avoid Maris Piper
Step 1 Peel and cut to your perfered size. (Larger is generally better)
Step 2 Par boil for 5-10 mins (basically to the point just before the potato/chips become soft.
Step 3 Chill in cold running water and dry with a cloth.
Step 4 Place carefully in hot oil and cook until golden brown.
Ohh forgot Step 5 serve as with your main dish.

Personally I don&#039;t like French fries or any chip made from an early crop potato. If there is potato dish of almost any other variety available I tend to go for that.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>French fries &#8211; generally thin hard crispy and covered in grains of salt<br />
Attributes &#8211; 1. tend to get jammed down between the edges of your teeth and your gums. 2. Have a tendancy to shred the lining of your mouth with the sharp pointy bits at either end.</p>
<p>Chips &#8211; fat with a crispy outer coating and soft in the middle.<br />
Attributes 1. Easily taken hold of and dunked in [gravy, sauce, butter ......] 2. Generally associated as a British thing. 3. Can be served with a wide variety of other foods. However, again the British thing, usually with fish. 4. </p>
<p>For those intersted, the perfect chip is prepared in 4 stages.</p>
<p>Recipe for the perfect chip. Buy late crop potatoes e.g. King Edwards or some other red skinned late potato. Avoid Maris Piper<br />
Step 1 Peel and cut to your perfered size. (Larger is generally better)<br />
Step 2 Par boil for 5-10 mins (basically to the point just before the potato/chips become soft.<br />
Step 3 Chill in cold running water and dry with a cloth.<br />
Step 4 Place carefully in hot oil and cook until golden brown.<br />
Ohh forgot Step 5 serve as with your main dish.</p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t like French fries or any chip made from an early crop potato. If there is potato dish of almost any other variety available I tend to go for that&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Tobin</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/17/the-fry-question/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2004 22:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben: You&#039;re right - when the freedom fries hit the proverbial fan the french embassy &quot;declined comment, except to point out that french fries actually come from Belgium&quot;. On a totally different topic, having lived in Belgium for 5 years, I can tell you Belgian &quot;frites&quot; trounce absolutely anything else on this planet. The trick (I&#039;m told) is that they&#039;re fried before being frozen, then fried again before consumption. Oh how that fat tastes good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben: You&#8217;re right &#8211; when the freedom fries hit the proverbial fan the french embassy &#8220;declined comment, except to point out that french fries actually come from Belgium&#8221;. On a totally different topic, having lived in Belgium for 5 years, I can tell you Belgian &#8220;frites&#8221; trounce absolutely anything else on this planet. The trick (I&#8217;m told) is that they&#8217;re fried before being frozen, then fried again before consumption. Oh how that fat tastes good!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/17/the-fry-question/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2004 22:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a little off-topic, but here in Utah (USA), we dip our fries in a substance we call &quot;fry sauce.&quot;

Fry sauce is essentially, equal parts mayonnaise and ketchup. And I&#039;m telling you, this stuff is the best. Next time you have some fries (and the courage to mix this stuff yourself) give it a try. You&#039;ll never want your fries any other way.

Read this: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adherents.com/largecom/frysauce.html&quot;&gt;http://www.adherents.com/largecom/frysauce.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a little off-topic, but here in Utah (USA), we dip our fries in a substance we call &#8220;fry sauce.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fry sauce is essentially, equal parts mayonnaise and ketchup. And I&#8217;m telling you, this stuff is the best. Next time you have some fries (and the courage to mix this stuff yourself) give it a try. You&#8217;ll never want your fries any other way.</p>
<p>Read this: <a href="http://www.adherents.com/largecom/frysauce.html">http://www.adherents.com/largecom/frysauce.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2004 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are definitely times when I get craving for french fries. I think it&#039;s the deep frying and the salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are definitely times when I get craving for french fries. I think it&#8217;s the deep frying and the salt.</p>
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		<title>By: Weblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2004 15:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Gimme those carbs!&lt;/strong&gt;
Is there anyone out there who hates the french fry? And why? I haven&#039;t eaten very many french fries the past couple months because of this controlled-carb thing (Damn you, Dr. Sears!), but if I could, and if they weren&#039;t bad for you, I would beco...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Gimme those carbs!</strong><br />
Is there anyone out there who hates the french fry? And why? I haven&#8217;t eaten very many french fries the past couple months because of this controlled-carb thing (Damn you, Dr. Sears!), but if I could, and if they weren&#8217;t bad for you, I would beco&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Noonan</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Noonan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2004 09:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like chips but I really do not like French fries.  I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like chips but I really do not like French fries.  I</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2004 07:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some friends that own a Fish &#039;n&#039; Chip shop and they cook fantastic chinese food too, but Peter hates chips.  He&#039;s Chinese (from Hong Kong) but has been in New Zealand for years and still wont eat them.  He does eat some other fried stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some friends that own a Fish &#8216;n&#8217; Chip shop and they cook fantastic chinese food too, but Peter hates chips.  He&#8217;s Chinese (from Hong Kong) but has been in New Zealand for years and still wont eat them.  He does eat some other fried stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2004 04:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some inexplicable reason, my 5 year old son will not eat them.  Never has.  He LOVES fried food, he&#039;s tried french fries, but just does not like them....now onion rings is another matter altogether!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some inexplicable reason, my 5 year old son will not eat them.  Never has.  He LOVES fried food, he&#8217;s tried french fries, but just does not like them&#8230;.now onion rings is another matter altogether!</p>
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		<title>By: zelph.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2004 04:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Mmmm... French fries...&lt;/strong&gt;
In my daily clicking around, I ran into a very thought provking article by Eric Meyer about one of the worlds perfect foods... French Fries.  I loooove my french fries.  If needs be I may choose fries over the entree at hand (burger, dog, etc).  Althou...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Mmmm&#8230; French fries&#8230;</strong><br />
In my daily clicking around, I ran into a very thought provking article by Eric Meyer about one of the worlds perfect foods&#8230; French Fries.  I loooove my french fries.  If needs be I may choose fries over the entree at hand (burger, dog, etc).  Althou&#8230;</p>
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<li class="date">Mon 17 May 2004</li>
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<p>
Kat has a theory: that French fries (chips, for you Britons) are basically the universal food, something that nobody really dislikes.  Try as I might, I couldn&#8217;t think of anyone I know who doesn&#8217;t like French fries.  So I put it to you: are you, or do you know, someone who genuinely doesn&#8217;t like French fries?  Before you post, consider the following qualifiers:
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<li>People who don&#8217;t like fried foods in general don&#8217;t count.  This has to be someone who genuinely dislikes French fries on their own merits (or, I suppose, a percieved lack thereof).</li>
<li>A person who is allergic to potatoes, or to any ingredient common to fry preparation, also doesn&#8217;t count.  We&#8217;re looking for people who are perfectly capable of eating fries, but don&#8217;t want to do so.</li>
<li>We&#8217;re completely ignoring people whose political ideology causes them to be upset with the French right now.</li>
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So how about it&mdash;are French fries really the universal food, or is there a counterexample?
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(Addendum: if you do dislike French fries, please tell us what it is that causes you to dislike them.  Is it taste? Texture?  Smell?  Something else?  Inquiring palates want to know.)
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<li><a href="http://tweetagewasteland.com/2010/03/my-head-is-in-the-cloud/" title="March 18 | &#8220;I sense that my addiction to the realtime stream is only making room for the consumption of a faster stream.&#8221;">My Head is in the Cloud</a> <small>[via <a href="http://daringfireball.net/">John</a>]</small></li>
<li><a href="http://8bitnyc.com/" title="March 17 | All of a sudden I want to establish a mission in Central Park and negotiate with the natives for gold and food.">8-Bit NYC</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFicqklGuB0&amp;feature=player_embedded" title="March 12 | Wry comment expressing my appreciation of the creative derivativeness of this video and its uncanny accuracy in mocking common tropes.">Academy Award Winning Movie Trailer</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU" title="March 9 | &#8220;Apple juice&#8230; for half price!&#8221;  More like twice PRICELESS.  (Note: If you&#8217;re at work, don your headphones.)">Happy in Paraguay</a> <small>[via <a href="http://unstoppablerobotninja.com/">Ethan</a>]</small></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V5ubAOeOBk&amp;feature=player_embedded" title="February 10 | This is approximately the best thing ever.">U900 -Walk Don&#8217;t Run (Isogabamaware)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/201002/sifr_default_css_hides_content_from_at_least_one_screen_reader/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A 456bereastreet %28456 Berea Street%29" title="February 8 | -9999px comes through again, but I really wish we were beyond that kind of thing.">sIFR default CSS hides content from at least one screen reader</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20100117064356428" title="February 8 | Storing this for future use.">Take a picture with the iSight camera when a folder is opened</a></li>
<li><a href="http://mingle2.com/blog/view/web-developer-mind" title="February 4 | Mostly valid.  (SEE WHAT I DID THERE?)">The Mind of a Web Developer: An Illustrated Diagram</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/science_channel_refuses_to_dumb" title="January 28 | &#8220;Punkin Chunkin, for Christ&#8217;s sake&#8230; What more do you people want?&#8221;">Science Channel Refuses To Dumb Down Science Any Further</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.mailchimp.com/blog/project-omnivore-declassified/" title="January 27 | Sounds like quite a feat.  But I wonder how we&#8217;d feel if Microsoft or Google announced the same kind of thing on their e-mail services.">MailChimp&#8217;s Project Omnivore: Declassified</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/25/carolyn-maloney/congresswoman-says-democratic-presidents-create-mo/" title="January 26 | &#8220;Obviously, luck matters a lot, but when there is a consistent pattern over more than 60 years, it starts to look like more than just luck.&#8221;">Congresswoman says Democratic presidents create more private-sector jobs</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_mali_what_teachers_make.html" title="January 25 | Truth.">Taylor Mali: What teachers make</a></li>
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