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	<title>Comments on: Earning A Spot</title>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-165</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seeing as it is nearly 3AM right now where I live, I won&#039;t be writing about how much I love your previous posts and linking to specific ones (though I do highly enjoy them... I must, I spend enough time checking back every day for more). I would like to answer to your call though. I would like to see a good, brief (a page or less) descriptor of how to convince in-house administration why CSS and Web Standards are the best choice. I know what you are thinking-- this has already been overdone-- but it hasn&#039;t been done well, even Dave&#039;s Mezzoblue write up seemed somewhat lacking and though I am fairly in the know myself, I beleive your more expert opinion on the matter may lead to some better convincing, as well as an outside source to use as reference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing as it is nearly 3AM right now where I live, I won&#8217;t be writing about how much I love your previous posts and linking to specific ones (though I do highly enjoy them&#8230; I must, I spend enough time checking back every day for more). I would like to answer to your call though. I would like to see a good, brief (a page or less) descriptor of how to convince in-house administration why CSS and Web Standards are the best choice. I know what you are thinking&#8211; this has already been overdone&#8211; but it hasn&#8217;t been done well, even Dave&#8217;s Mezzoblue write up seemed somewhat lacking and though I am fairly in the know myself, I beleive your more expert opinion on the matter may lead to some better convincing, as well as an outside source to use as reference.</p>
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		<title>By: Evert</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Evert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2004 14:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CSS/Edge alone earns you the the right to the position. And your books add to that, and your articles add from there.  People like you point the way to doing beautiful design with the proper tools(web standard, css, etc.).  And sometimes the most beautiful designs get in the way of proper dissemination of imformation.  Your design is pretty enough, in my opinion.

So, keep providing info that points the way to technically proficient beautiful design, and you&#039;ll at least maintain your position of influence.  

And the bits about politics and your family help make it less dry in the process, by the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CSS/Edge alone earns you the the right to the position. And your books add to that, and your articles add from there.  People like you point the way to doing beautiful design with the proper tools(web standard, css, etc.).  And sometimes the most beautiful designs get in the way of proper dissemination of imformation.  Your design is pretty enough, in my opinion.</p>
<p>So, keep providing info that points the way to technically proficient beautiful design, and you&#8217;ll at least maintain your position of influence.  </p>
<p>And the bits about politics and your family help make it less dry in the process, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2004 00:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[css-edge

Breathtaking.

When I first saw this site just about three weeks ago I was inspired.

I am rede(&lt;strong&gt;singing&lt;/strong&gt;) as I learn with great pleasure. Please don&#039;t lose your ability to inpire is all I ask.

Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>css-edge</p>
<p>Breathtaking.</p>
<p>When I first saw this site just about three weeks ago I was inspired.</p>
<p>I am rede(<strong>singing</strong>) as I learn with great pleasure. Please don&#8217;t lose your ability to inpire is all I ask.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: ACJ</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>ACJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2004 00:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric,

You earned a great deal of respect among web designers world wide (web [sorry, couldn&#039;t resist]) with the work you have done in the past. This is what made your name known, and more than that, stand out. You wonder why people continue to recognize and mention you as such? Well, legacy, for one, but I think there&#039;s a more important aspect to it... there is for me, at least.

Webdesign covers many different disciplines. To make a website work (or even more so, great) you need to properly address them all, or at least as much as possible. &lt;em&gt;Visual design is one... backend technology is one.. CSS is both... sure, but that&#039;s not the end of it.&lt;/em&gt; There are entities that are at least as important. One in particular (which can be considered the most important, I&#039;d say) is content. Values of content, like writing style and integrity, are at least as important as the aesthetic value of the communicated visuals -- especially in the longer run.

I think this is what you earn most credit for, today -- whether you &lt;em&gt;do&lt;/em&gt; write about CSS, or write about statistic reports of the women beat up per minute ratio in the States, or some random action by Carolyn: the writing has been thought through and has a certain intellectual value and level of integrety -- a lot of integrety.

I think it&#039;s not although but &lt;strong&gt;because&lt;/strong&gt; you shy not to weigh in your personaly opinion, or write about things that take place on a very personal level, that people (I, for one) keep enjoying to read &quot;your stuff.&quot; It makes it easier to identify with the author, and that makes any future articles of said author less static, even when they&#039;re technical reports.

So, my wish (slash advice) is: keep doing what you&#039;re doing -- it&#039;s the combination of techinical writing and bits from the personal life of the author that keep your writing (not restricted to &quot;Eric&#039;s Thoughts&quot;) interesting. (I wouldn&#039;t mind to see some more collaberations with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mezzoblue.com/&quot;&gt;Dave Shea&lt;/a&gt; though -- that&#039;s some &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/100/100.css&amp;page=0&quot;&gt;good stuff!&lt;/a&gt;)

P.S. I never considered you as much as a designer as I consider you a writer. The writer gnome from the design forest. :p]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>You earned a great deal of respect among web designers world wide (web [sorry, couldn't resist]) with the work you have done in the past. This is what made your name known, and more than that, stand out. You wonder why people continue to recognize and mention you as such? Well, legacy, for one, but I think there&#8217;s a more important aspect to it&#8230; there is for me, at least.</p>
<p>Webdesign covers many different disciplines. To make a website work (or even more so, great) you need to properly address them all, or at least as much as possible. <em>Visual design is one&#8230; backend technology is one.. CSS is both&#8230; sure, but that&#8217;s not the end of it.</em> There are entities that are at least as important. One in particular (which can be considered the most important, I&#8217;d say) is content. Values of content, like writing style and integrity, are at least as important as the aesthetic value of the communicated visuals &#8212; especially in the longer run.</p>
<p>I think this is what you earn most credit for, today &#8212; whether you <em>do</em> write about CSS, or write about statistic reports of the women beat up per minute ratio in the States, or some random action by Carolyn: the writing has been thought through and has a certain intellectual value and level of integrety &#8212; a lot of integrety.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s not although but <strong>because</strong> you shy not to weigh in your personaly opinion, or write about things that take place on a very personal level, that people (I, for one) keep enjoying to read &#8220;your stuff.&#8221; It makes it easier to identify with the author, and that makes any future articles of said author less static, even when they&#8217;re technical reports.</p>
<p>So, my wish (slash advice) is: keep doing what you&#8217;re doing &#8212; it&#8217;s the combination of techinical writing and bits from the personal life of the author that keep your writing (not restricted to &#8220;Eric&#8217;s Thoughts&#8221;) interesting. (I wouldn&#8217;t mind to see some more collaberations with <a href="http://www.mezzoblue.com/">Dave Shea</a> though &#8212; that&#8217;s some <a href="http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/100/100.css&#038;page=0">good stuff!</a>)</p>
<p>P.S. I never considered you as much as a designer as I consider you a writer. The writer gnome from the design forest. :p</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 17:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, we need more experimental css like &#039;CssEdge&#039;. Whatever happened to that? It just seemingly came to a halt, which was kinda disappointing. I&#039;d like to see you put your design shoes back on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we need more experimental css like &#8216;CssEdge&#8217;. Whatever happened to that? It just seemingly came to a halt, which was kinda disappointing. I&#8217;d like to see you put your design shoes back on.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Hodel</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Hodel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 16:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about some coverage of CSS3 selectors?  I&#039;ve found you can do some interesting things with ~ and :not on a flat document, like a cascading outline rendering.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about some coverage of CSS3 selectors?  I&#8217;ve found you can do some interesting things with ~ and :not on a flat document, like a cascading outline rendering.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Burgin</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-130</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Burgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 14:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric - 

You sound as though you don&#039;t consider yourself a designer.  If you break it all down by it&#039;s previous labels - this person is a graphics designer and this person does markup, etc., then by those terms you might not consider yourself a designer.  But I disagree with that.

Through your efforts and those of several others, building web pages has become a mix of several disciplines.  Web design is more than Photoshop now.  Those of us who build with standards and CSS recognize that, today, &quot;design&quot; is mixture of our markup skills, graphic skills and creativity. 

And to those of us who think this way, you are every bit a leading designer and an influence.  Just keep doing what you&#039;re doing, and more of it.  The word &quot;leading&quot; is intentional.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; </p>
<p>You sound as though you don&#8217;t consider yourself a designer.  If you break it all down by it&#8217;s previous labels &#8211; this person is a graphics designer and this person does markup, etc., then by those terms you might not consider yourself a designer.  But I disagree with that.</p>
<p>Through your efforts and those of several others, building web pages has become a mix of several disciplines.  Web design is more than Photoshop now.  Those of us who build with standards and CSS recognize that, today, &#8220;design&#8221; is mixture of our markup skills, graphic skills and creativity. </p>
<p>And to those of us who think this way, you are every bit a leading designer and an influence.  Just keep doing what you&#8217;re doing, and more of it.  The word &#8220;leading&#8221; is intentional.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 13:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to see you spend half of your time on CSS/Edge and the other half as the Project Manager for the IE team :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see you spend half of your time on CSS/Edge and the other half as the Project Manager for the IE team :)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ward</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 11:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just write about what feels right. If there are no pertinent CSS/web design topics to talk about, then talk about your life. And talk about it anyway, it helps to make your blog more personal.

If there was anything I would ask, it would be for you to link to and give your opinion on some of the new techniques out there as they happen, such as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/ifr_revisited_and_revised.php&quot; title=&quot;Inman&#039;s Flash Replacement technique - revisited and revised&quot;&gt;Shaun Inman&#039;s Flash Replacement technique&lt;/a&gt;. These are important developments (IMHO) and it would be nice to know the viewpoint of an influntial CSS author such as yourself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just write about what feels right. If there are no pertinent CSS/web design topics to talk about, then talk about your life. And talk about it anyway, it helps to make your blog more personal.</p>
<p>If there was anything I would ask, it would be for you to link to and give your opinion on some of the new techniques out there as they happen, such as <a href="http://www.shauninman.com/mentary/past/ifr_revisited_and_revised.php" title="Inman's Flash Replacement technique - revisited and revised">Shaun Inman&#8217;s Flash Replacement technique</a>. These are important developments (IMHO) and it would be nice to know the viewpoint of an influntial CSS author such as yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald van der Wijden</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald van der Wijden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 07:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From. Learn so much from. Get so much out of. Whatever.
Oh, and the softie bit: it&#039;s a compliment. Big one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From. Learn so much from. Get so much out of. Whatever.<br />
Oh, and the softie bit: it&#8217;s a compliment. Big one.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald van der Wijden</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald van der Wijden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 07:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric,

As said before, your contributions to educating &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; about all things CSS through your books and articles is enough to earn you a permanent place in the top 20.
About the personal nature of your blog: it&#039;s one of the things that keeps me coming back, and it&#039;s one of the things that make all your publications so pleasant to read.
You&#039;re just a big softie, and that&#039;s what makes even an often rather dry subject as CSS so palatable.

I recently finished &quot;More Eric...&quot; and loved it front to back; the one real thing that I disliked about the book is that it was &lt;strong&gt;too thin&lt;/strong&gt;! If you&#039;d want to contribute &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; CSS related it would be those wonderful &quot;come-and-look-over-my-shoulder-to-see-how-it&#039;s-done&quot; exercises that we can learn so much of.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>As said before, your contributions to educating <em>everyone</em> about all things CSS through your books and articles is enough to earn you a permanent place in the top 20.<br />
About the personal nature of your blog: it&#8217;s one of the things that keeps me coming back, and it&#8217;s one of the things that make all your publications so pleasant to read.<br />
You&#8217;re just a big softie, and that&#8217;s what makes even an often rather dry subject as CSS so palatable.</p>
<p>I recently finished &#8220;More Eric&#8230;&#8221; and loved it front to back; the one real thing that I disliked about the book is that it was <strong>too thin</strong>! If you&#8217;d want to contribute <em>anything</em> CSS related it would be those wonderful &#8220;come-and-look-over-my-shoulder-to-see-how-it&#8217;s-done&#8221; exercises that we can learn so much of.</p>
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		<title>By: Mak Kawakami</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Mak Kawakami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 05:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, there&#039;s two reasons you belong on this list. The first is for your books, which are the gold standard of CSS books at every level (beginner, exhaustive guide and reference). The second reason is for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/&quot;&gt;CSS/Edge&lt;/a&gt;. I myself was very ambivalent about the need for CSS and web standards until I stumbled onto CSS/Edge and it blew my mind. Finally here were things that you simply could not do without CSS. There&#039;s not table tricks or invisible gifs that could ever do what you were showing us right on the homepage of CSS/Edge. I went from thinking that CSS and web-standards were a snobby impediment that interfered with real design to understanding that real design could never happen until web authors embraced them. And I bet I&#039;m not the only one for whom those amazing demos tolled the proverbial bell for font tags and spacer gifs.

If you feel guilty about staying on the list and want to give back more (although you&#039;ve earned a spot in the hall of fame here, you know), show us more of what the cutting edge of CSS is. Even if you don&#039;t consider yourself a good designer, you&#039;re opening doors for real designers and frustrated web authors everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, there&#8217;s two reasons you belong on this list. The first is for your books, which are the gold standard of CSS books at every level (beginner, exhaustive guide and reference). The second reason is for <a href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/">CSS/Edge</a>. I myself was very ambivalent about the need for CSS and web standards until I stumbled onto CSS/Edge and it blew my mind. Finally here were things that you simply could not do without CSS. There&#8217;s not table tricks or invisible gifs that could ever do what you were showing us right on the homepage of CSS/Edge. I went from thinking that CSS and web-standards were a snobby impediment that interfered with real design to understanding that real design could never happen until web authors embraced them. And I bet I&#8217;m not the only one for whom those amazing demos tolled the proverbial bell for font tags and spacer gifs.</p>
<p>If you feel guilty about staying on the list and want to give back more (although you&#8217;ve earned a spot in the hall of fame here, you know), show us more of what the cutting edge of CSS is. Even if you don&#8217;t consider yourself a good designer, you&#8217;re opening doors for real designers and frustrated web authors everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Tommy Olsson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-124</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy Olsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 05:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your weblog the way it is; the pleasant mix of tech stuff and personal reflections.
I wouldn&#039;t mind seeing more practical examples of useful CSS techniques, much like your &quot;On CSS&quot; books. (Both books have been great sources of inspiration to me.) They wouldn&#039;t have to be as comprehensive as in your books, since that obviously requires a lot of time, but something in the same &lt;em&gt;spirit&lt;/em&gt;.
A careful introduction to CSS3, perhaps?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your weblog the way it is; the pleasant mix of tech stuff and personal reflections.<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing more practical examples of useful CSS techniques, much like your &#8220;On CSS&#8221; books. (Both books have been great sources of inspiration to me.) They wouldn&#8217;t have to be as comprehensive as in your books, since that obviously requires a lot of time, but something in the same <em>spirit</em>.<br />
A careful introduction to CSS3, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: beto</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>beto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 04:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just keep being your own self, Eric. Your books and the &quot;css-d&quot; list pretty much cover all any web developer would ever like to know about CSS. I get more fun reading about Carolyn than about yet another CSS browser hack.

Perhaps a little more insight on your radio show! (Still do it?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just keep being your own self, Eric. Your books and the &#8220;css-d&#8221; list pretty much cover all any web developer would ever like to know about CSS. I get more fun reading about Carolyn than about yet another CSS browser hack.</p>
<p>Perhaps a little more insight on your radio show! (Still do it?)</p>
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		<title>By: Sage</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/05/24/earning-a-spot/#comment-121</link>
		<dc:creator>Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 May 2004 04:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More CSS, pweeze! I think it&#039;s fair to say that most of the people reading your site have a good grasp on writing up semantic HTML and basic/intermediate CSS, but I think a lot of us (well, me anyway) don&#039;t know the really advanced stuff (for example, your ComplexSpiral demo was a real eye-opener to me when I actually read the article and realized that it wasn&#039;t just a PNG layered over a fixed background. Another example would be how in your &quot;Going to Print&quot; article, you showed how to use CSS3 selectors and pseudo-classes to make the URLS print out). &lt;b&gt;That&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s the kind of stuff I&#039;d like to see more of. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More CSS, pweeze! I think it&#8217;s fair to say that most of the people reading your site have a good grasp on writing up semantic HTML and basic/intermediate CSS, but I think a lot of us (well, me anyway) don&#8217;t know the really advanced stuff (for example, your ComplexSpiral demo was a real eye-opener to me when I actually read the article and realized that it wasn&#8217;t just a PNG layered over a fixed background. Another example would be how in your &#8220;Going to Print&#8221; article, you showed how to use CSS3 selectors and pseudo-classes to make the URLS print out). <b>That</b>&#8216;s the kind of stuff I&#8217;d like to see more of. :-)</p>
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