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		<title>By: Richie Rutter</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-817510</link>
		<dc:creator>Richie Rutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Although the topic is quite dated now, generally the consensus is to only use between H1 and H3. Rightly or wrongly, on my website I have the homepage H1 as the site name, with H2 for the post and then H1 for the title post name on the post name. Would any of you disagree with my usage? If so I would be interested to know why? Thanks, Rich.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the topic is quite dated now, generally the consensus is to only use between H1 and H3. Rightly or wrongly, on my website I have the homepage H1 as the site name, with H2 for the post and then H1 for the title post name on the post name. Would any of you disagree with my usage? If so I would be interested to know why? Thanks, Rich.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-490836</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am struggling with headings in a site I am building right now. On deeper pages, where 99% of the content will live my H tags are structured logically, no skipping at all. However, I find myself struggling with what to do on the homepage.

You see, the function of the H2 and H3 tags doesn&#039;t exist on the home page (category and page title, respectively). So if I choose to stay structured with my headings, then I have to restyle H2 and H3 to look appropriate on the home page. However, I could skip straight to H4, which is the visual style I need, but things will then be out of order.

The former is semantically correct. The latter would seem to be easier to maintain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am struggling with headings in a site I am building right now. On deeper pages, where 99% of the content will live my H tags are structured logically, no skipping at all. However, I find myself struggling with what to do on the homepage.</p>
<p>You see, the function of the H2 and H3 tags doesn&#8217;t exist on the home page (category and page title, respectively). So if I choose to stay structured with my headings, then I have to restyle H2 and H3 to look appropriate on the home page. However, I could skip straight to H4, which is the visual style I need, but things will then be out of order.</p>
<p>The former is semantically correct. The latter would seem to be easier to maintain.</p>
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		<title>By: Header Tags.. Oi!! &#187; Free Xenon Consulting</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-480101</link>
		<dc:creator>Header Tags.. Oi!! &#187; Free Xenon Consulting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rabab Gomaa</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-444892</link>
		<dc:creator>Rabab Gomaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of the point below to be considered if you care about accessible headings: 

1- First of all, it doesn&quot;t seem like there is a consensus on wether or not to use multiple H1 tags, or any at all. 

Pages should only have one main heading, H1, which is the main title of the page and should be positioned at the start of unique page content.

2- In the example you mentioned, you set an H before the form field. 
Search
(...inputs...)

Upon the accessible headings:
Headings should not be coded around form labels i.e. the text label “Search” that comes before an input field.

3- Here, the order is h1-h4-h2-h2-h3.
Heading levels can&quot;t be skipped i.e. you can&quot;t jump from H1 to H3.

Reference: http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/headings/quick-tips-for-accessible-headings/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the point below to be considered if you care about accessible headings: </p>
<p>1- First of all, it doesn&#8221;t seem like there is a consensus on wether or not to use multiple H1 tags, or any at all. </p>
<p>Pages should only have one main heading, H1, which is the main title of the page and should be positioned at the start of unique page content.</p>
<p>2- In the example you mentioned, you set an H before the form field.<br />
Search<br />
(&#8230;inputs&#8230;)</p>
<p>Upon the accessible headings:<br />
Headings should not be coded around form labels i.e. the text label “Search” that comes before an input field.</p>
<p>3- Here, the order is h1-h4-h2-h2-h3.<br />
Heading levels can&#8221;t be skipped i.e. you can&#8221;t jump from H1 to H3.</p>
<p>Reference: <a href="http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/headings/quick-tips-for-accessible-headings/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/headings/quick-tips-for-accessible-headings/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Krumpet</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-314335</link>
		<dc:creator>Krumpet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Livio, tone it down a bit. Just because a page doesn&#039;t validate doesn&#039;t mean it is completely lost.

I am totally uncomfortable with skipping header tags (i.e. h1, h3, h4, . . .), but I think Eric&#039;s reasoning is sound.

These issues are often mitigated by good pre-planning. Therein lies most confusion. Amateur designers dive into their work without thinking through the entire project. Then, when their headers, paragraphs, titles, etc. don&#039;t play nicely together, they struggle to fix a design that wasn&#039;t right to begin with!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livio, tone it down a bit. Just because a page doesn&#8217;t validate doesn&#8217;t mean it is completely lost.</p>
<p>I am totally uncomfortable with skipping header tags (i.e. h1, h3, h4, . . .), but I think Eric&#8217;s reasoning is sound.</p>
<p>These issues are often mitigated by good pre-planning. Therein lies most confusion. Amateur designers dive into their work without thinking through the entire project. Then, when their headers, paragraphs, titles, etc. don&#8217;t play nicely together, they struggle to fix a design that wasn&#8217;t right to begin with!</p>
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		<title>By: Headings and Hierarchy: is More Than One H1 a Crowd? &#124; Digiladee</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-266080</link>
		<dc:creator>Headings and Hierarchy: is More Than One H1 a Crowd? &#124; Digiladee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 02:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Headings and Hierarchy: is More Than One H1 a Crowd? &#124; MT-Soft Website Development</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-247856</link>
		<dc:creator>Headings and Hierarchy: is More Than One H1 a Crowd? &#124; MT-Soft Website Development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matthew Taylor</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-70308</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely if you want the search box at the top of your page under the h1 then it is arguably important enough to be h2?

Alternatively if you really wanted the search to be h4 it could be put at the end of the document in the correct nesting level and then moved up to the top with css? This would be the most semantically correct way to go in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely if you want the search box at the top of your page under the h1 then it is arguably important enough to be h2?</p>
<p>Alternatively if you really wanted the search to be h4 it could be put at the end of the document in the correct nesting level and then moved up to the top with css? This would be the most semantically correct way to go in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Semantics, do we really need&#8217;em? &#124; ara pehlivanian&#8212;Web Standards, Web Culture, Web Everything.&#8482;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Semantics, do we really need&#8217;em? &#124; ara pehlivanian&#8212;Web Standards, Web Culture, Web Everything.&#8482;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] As a strong advocate for web standards and semantics, I&#8217;ve been actively pursuing perfection in this area for a while now and have recently begun to feel disillusioned. After covering all the bases (read: &lt;b&gt;ed and &lt;br&gt;eakfast), and performing all the fancy tricks, it seems I&#8217;ve run headlong into the outer edges of what HTML and CSS are capable of doing. Oh sure, I still try and make the technology do more than it&#8217;s deemed able. But it&#8217;s in this territory that the &#8220;rules&#8221; get vague. For example, how well do you think HTML is able to add meaning to your content? Don&#8217;t give me simple examples of using paragraphs and headings, or emphasis and strong tags. I mean really, what&#8217;s the better choice to mark up a breadcrumb navigation menu? A nested unordered list? A comma delimited paragraph with spans around each element for styling purposes? And what of the delimiter? What denotes &#8220;a child of&#8221;? Then there&#8217;s the infamous heading debate. Which interpretation of the vague spec is best? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As a strong advocate for web standards and semantics, I&#8217;ve been actively pursuing perfection in this area for a while now and have recently begun to feel disillusioned. After covering all the bases (read: &lt;b&gt;ed and &lt;br&gt;eakfast), and performing all the fancy tricks, it seems I&#8217;ve run headlong into the outer edges of what HTML and CSS are capable of doing. Oh sure, I still try and make the technology do more than it&#8217;s deemed able. But it&#8217;s in this territory that the &#8220;rules&#8221; get vague. For example, how well do you think HTML is able to add meaning to your content? Don&#8217;t give me simple examples of using paragraphs and headings, or emphasis and strong tags. I mean really, what&#8217;s the better choice to mark up a breadcrumb navigation menu? A nested unordered list? A comma delimited paragraph with spans around each element for styling purposes? And what of the delimiter? What denotes &#8220;a child of&#8221;? Then there&#8217;s the infamous heading debate. Which interpretation of the vague spec is best? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lachy’s Log  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; CSS Guru Explains A&#60;b&#62;use</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-5126</link>
		<dc:creator>Lachy’s Log  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; CSS Guru Explains A&#60;b&#62;use</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...]  Guru Explains A&lt;b&gt;use 	 			 					A while back,Eric Meyer wrote an article regarding heading levels in which he me [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: livio</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-654</link>
		<dc:creator>livio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[go to extended validator (http://validator.w3.org/detailed.html), check Show Outline and see. 
&quot;If this does not look like a real outline, it is likely that the heading tags are not being used properly. &quot;
Markup is invalid, accessility lost.
ciao
Livio]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>go to extended validator (<a href="http://validator.w3.org/detailed.html" rel="nofollow">http://validator.w3.org/detailed.html</a>), check Show Outline and see.<br />
&#8220;If this does not look like a real outline, it is likely that the heading tags are not being used properly. &#8221;<br />
Markup is invalid, accessility lost.<br />
ciao<br />
Livio</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-647</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know it has already been said but I will add my voice. I believe that H1 is the document title and therefore &lt;h1&gt;meyerweb.com&lt;/h1&gt; is not an appropriate title for the document - what distinguishes this document from any other on your site? Well, I suppose one could argue that each article is a chapter (and therefore deserves a h2 element). My editor strictly states that I cannot have a heading out of place - I can&#039;t jump. It makes a lot of sense to me. You can&#039;t have a &lt;td&gt; without a &lt;table&gt; and &lt;tr&gt; to wrap around it - why would you argue that h1, h4 is logical. Hierarchical use of the headings for the author makes him/her think about the organization of the content and how it relates with other items and how it is different from other items.

Hear, hear to hierarchical, non-skipping headings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it has already been said but I will add my voice. I believe that H1 is the document title and therefore &lt;h1&gt;meyerweb.com&lt;/h1&gt; is not an appropriate title for the document &#8211; what distinguishes this document from any other on your site? Well, I suppose one could argue that each article is a chapter (and therefore deserves a h2 element). My editor strictly states that I cannot have a heading out of place &#8211; I can&#8217;t jump. It makes a lot of sense to me. You can&#8217;t have a &lt;td&gt; without a &lt;table&gt; and &lt;tr&gt; to wrap around it &#8211; why would you argue that h1, h4 is logical. Hierarchical use of the headings for the author makes him/her think about the organization of the content and how it relates with other items and how it is different from other items.</p>
<p>Hear, hear to hierarchical, non-skipping headings.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Pouncey</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-641</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Pouncey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting (and long discussion). My apologies for any repetition of what has gone before.

My feelings are that accessible markup should take priority over the (x)html markup of your choice.

My weapon of choice when performing accessibility checks is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://bobby.watchfire.com&quot; title=&quot;Bobby Online Free Portal - Accessibility checker&quot;&gt;http://bobby.watchfire.com&lt;/a&gt; service.

To achieve a grade 2 (out of 3) level of accessibility headings need to be sequential (h1 is followed by h2, and not h3), which agrees with the W3C.

The reasons for this seem to be different, however. As already mentioned in other comments W3C specifies that headings should be ordered according to importance. Accessibility standards generally state that headings are for defining the flow of a document.

The styling of the headings is irrelevant. It would be valid to assign values of importance to each header:

&lt;pre&gt;	h1.importance1 {
	    font-size: 2em;
	}

	h1.importance2 {
	    font-size: 1.8em;
	}&lt;/pre&gt;

etc.

This level of complexity is something I am not prepared to even contemplate using, and the assigning of classes to header tags is a step back towards merging design and content.

In this situation possibly W3C is wrong in its definition of headings. Accessible design should come first, and this means that the flow of documents should make sense without additional styling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting (and long discussion). My apologies for any repetition of what has gone before.</p>
<p>My feelings are that accessible markup should take priority over the (x)html markup of your choice.</p>
<p>My weapon of choice when performing accessibility checks is the <a href="http://bobby.watchfire.com" title="Bobby Online Free Portal - Accessibility checker">http://bobby.watchfire.com</a> service.</p>
<p>To achieve a grade 2 (out of 3) level of accessibility headings need to be sequential (h1 is followed by h2, and not h3), which agrees with the W3C.</p>
<p>The reasons for this seem to be different, however. As already mentioned in other comments W3C specifies that headings should be ordered according to importance. Accessibility standards generally state that headings are for defining the flow of a document.</p>
<p>The styling of the headings is irrelevant. It would be valid to assign values of importance to each header:</p>
<pre>	h1.importance1 {
	    font-size: 2em;
	}

	h1.importance2 {
	    font-size: 1.8em;
	}</pre>
<p>etc.</p>
<p>This level of complexity is something I am not prepared to even contemplate using, and the assigning of classes to header tags is a step back towards merging design and content.</p>
<p>In this situation possibly W3C is wrong in its definition of headings. Accessible design should come first, and this means that the flow of documents should make sense without additional styling.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hester</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-636</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The W3C&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20040730/&quot;&gt;HTML Techniques for WCAG 2.0&lt;/a&gt; (Working Draft 30 July 2004) states in its section on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20040730/#headings&quot;&gt;headings&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20040730/#headings&quot;&gt;Since some users skim through a document by navigating its headings, it is important to use them appropriately to convey document structure. Users should order heading elements properly. For example, in HTML, h2 elements should follow h1 elements, h3 elements should follow h2 elements, etc. Content developers should not &quot;skip&quot; levels (e.g., h1 directly to h3).&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The W3C&#8217;s <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20040730/">HTML Techniques for WCAG 2.0</a> (Working Draft 30 July 2004) states in its section on <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20040730/#headings">headings</a>:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-WCAG20-HTML-TECHS-20040730/#headings"><p>Since some users skim through a document by navigating its headings, it is important to use them appropriately to convey document structure. Users should order heading elements properly. For example, in HTML, h2 elements should follow h1 elements, h3 elements should follow h2 elements, etc. Content developers should not &#8220;skip&#8221; levels (e.g., h1 directly to h3).</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Michael Ryznar</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/21/pick-a-heading/#comment-634</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Ryznar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am an advocate for deprecating h1-h6. This would solve the crisis we are currently facing with coming to terms with the role of heading tags, document structure and the very nature of HTML itself.

The confusion over whether or not to skip heading levels perhaps is rooted in our misunderstanding of the basic aims of HTML which I feel should be to only show hierarchy rather than to try to make HTML also show &quot;importance&quot;.

Here are some further thoughts with a diagram:

http://www.ryznardesign.com/web_coding/elements/2004/headings/headings.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an advocate for deprecating h1-h6. This would solve the crisis we are currently facing with coming to terms with the role of heading tags, document structure and the very nature of HTML itself.</p>
<p>The confusion over whether or not to skip heading levels perhaps is rooted in our misunderstanding of the basic aims of HTML which I feel should be to only show hierarchy rather than to try to make HTML also show &#8220;importance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here are some further thoughts with a diagram:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ryznardesign.com/web_coding/elements/2004/headings/headings.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ryznardesign.com/web_coding/elements/2004/headings/headings.html</a></p>
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