<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Creative Dissidence</title>
	<atom:link href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/</link>
	<description>Things that Eric A. Meyer, CSS expert, writes about on his personal Web site; it&#039;s largely Web standards and Web technology, but also various bits of culture, politics, personal observations, and other miscellaneous stuff</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 11:50:23 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-648</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-648</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The survey&#039;s site says &quot;On the Internet (or rather on computer screens), rules change and web designers know it: most of them use sans-serif typefaces.&quot; Yet where is the &lt;em&gt;evidence&lt;/em&gt; for the superiority of sans-serifs? There is none that I know of. Certainly there are plenty of comments from people claiming that the screen is different. But I think the evidence is far too anecdotal and sketchy for such a claim to be made, especially given the ample evidence for the increased readability of serif faces in print. Unless strong evidence, not anecdotes or spurious reasoning, in favor of sans-serifs is presented, Web designers are probably better off sticking with what is known to work best in body text: serifs. (But good serifed fonts, of course. This isn&#039;t about a choice between a good sans-serif and an ugly serif. And this shouldn&#039;t be about which type can be made the tiniest either; many sites have type that is far too small -- and all too often in a fixed size, too.)

I&#039;m inclined to be classical -- or cantankerously old-fashioned, depending on your outlook -- about this, perhaps because I remember the many sins of typography committed in the name of The New Medium that came during the early popularization of the Web. Sure, be bold; be new; be cool. Use sans-serifs if they&#039;re what you like best. Just don&#039;t take it yet as gospel that sans-serifs are the one true way, especially for long stretches of text. 

One more comment on another matter: So-called educated quotes are not always a good idea. Windows operating systems designed for Chinese often choke on these and other typographical niceties. In many cases, curly quotes will &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; appear on Chinese Windows systems; a blank space or a Chinese character will appear instead, often swallowing the character following the quotation mark. You think Web pages are ugly with straight quotes? Try Web pages with lacunae and random Chinese characters! 

This is most likely also the case with operating systems designed for Japanese and other languages whose writing systems are non-alphabetic (not &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/ideographic_myth.html&quot;&gt;ideographic&lt;/a&gt;,&quot; despite popular misconceptions and, alas, the misinformation spread by the Unicode Consortium and CSS specs).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The survey&#8217;s site says &#8220;On the Internet (or rather on computer screens), rules change and web designers know it: most of them use sans-serif typefaces.&#8221; Yet where is the <em>evidence</em> for the superiority of sans-serifs? There is none that I know of. Certainly there are plenty of comments from people claiming that the screen is different. But I think the evidence is far too anecdotal and sketchy for such a claim to be made, especially given the ample evidence for the increased readability of serif faces in print. Unless strong evidence, not anecdotes or spurious reasoning, in favor of sans-serifs is presented, Web designers are probably better off sticking with what is known to work best in body text: serifs. (But good serifed fonts, of course. This isn&#8217;t about a choice between a good sans-serif and an ugly serif. And this shouldn&#8217;t be about which type can be made the tiniest either; many sites have type that is far too small &#8212; and all too often in a fixed size, too.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m inclined to be classical &#8212; or cantankerously old-fashioned, depending on your outlook &#8212; about this, perhaps because I remember the many sins of typography committed in the name of The New Medium that came during the early popularization of the Web. Sure, be bold; be new; be cool. Use sans-serifs if they&#8217;re what you like best. Just don&#8217;t take it yet as gospel that sans-serifs are the one true way, especially for long stretches of text. </p>
<p>One more comment on another matter: So-called educated quotes are not always a good idea. Windows operating systems designed for Chinese often choke on these and other typographical niceties. In many cases, curly quotes will <em>not</em> appear on Chinese Windows systems; a blank space or a Chinese character will appear instead, often swallowing the character following the quotation mark. You think Web pages are ugly with straight quotes? Try Web pages with lacunae and random Chinese characters! </p>
<p>This is most likely also the case with operating systems designed for Japanese and other languages whose writing systems are non-alphabetic (not &#8220;<a href="http://www.pinyin.info/readings/texts/ideographic_myth.html">ideographic</a>,&#8221; despite popular misconceptions and, alas, the misinformation spread by the Unicode Consortium and CSS specs).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: restiffbard</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-644</link>
		<dc:creator>restiffbard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-644</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[My only thought on this is that a 10 site sample is fine in this case if for no other reason than the sites in question are driving forces in how the rest of us build our sites.  If the survey was done of ten sites and most of them were just like my poor attempt then it would be ridiculous (I don&#039;t even validate yet).  But, considering the sites are &quot;designer&quot; sites it seems fine.  Poking at the people that guide the rest of us is admirable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My only thought on this is that a 10 site sample is fine in this case if for no other reason than the sites in question are driving forces in how the rest of us build our sites.  If the survey was done of ten sites and most of them were just like my poor attempt then it would be ridiculous (I don&#8217;t even validate yet).  But, considering the sites are &#8220;designer&#8221; sites it seems fine.  Poking at the people that guide the rest of us is admirable.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-638</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[when I resize in firefox at very narrow widths it forces a scrollbar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when I resize in firefox at very narrow widths it forces a scrollbar.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dutchcelt's blog</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>Dutchcelt's blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-627</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Design survey, well sort of&lt;/strong&gt;
Some of you may have already seen Fran&#231;ois Briatte&#039;s web design survey. It was written as a starting point for discussion on the implementation of particular web design issues. Not ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Design survey, well sort of</strong><br />
Some of you may have already seen Fran&ccedil;ois Briatte&#8217;s web design survey. It was written as a starting point for discussion on the implementation of particular web design issues. Not </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Faruk Ates</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>Faruk Ates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-626</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Eric, you may want to add &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2004/07/29/on-dissidence.html&quot; title=&quot;Doug Bowman on Dissidence&quot;&gt;Doug Bowman&#039;s log entry on Dissidence&lt;/a&gt; at the top, so that people can check that one right away as well. Useful for instant comparison purposes. :)

As for &quot;Steal these&quot; buttons: Dave Shea is all about webDESIGN, whereas you (as far as I can tell) care much less about DESIGN and much more about WEB{,standards,markup,etc}. I say, as long as they&#039;re tastefully picked and don&#039;t clash with the feel of the site, there&#039;s no harm in using them.

Oh, and definitely have a mail with &lt;a href=&quot;http://annevankesteren.nl/&quot;&gt;Anne&lt;/a&gt; about UTF-8; he helped me convert my work&#039;s CMS to UTF-8 entirely, and made it very easy for me to do so. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, you may want to add <a href="http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2004/07/29/on-dissidence.html" title="Doug Bowman on Dissidence">Doug Bowman&#8217;s log entry on Dissidence</a> at the top, so that people can check that one right away as well. Useful for instant comparison purposes. :)</p>
<p>As for &#8220;Steal these&#8221; buttons: Dave Shea is all about webDESIGN, whereas you (as far as I can tell) care much less about DESIGN and much more about WEB{,standards,markup,etc}. I say, as long as they&#8217;re tastefully picked and don&#8217;t clash with the feel of the site, there&#8217;s no harm in using them.</p>
<p>Oh, and definitely have a mail with <a href="http://annevankesteren.nl/">Anne</a> about UTF-8; he helped me convert my work&#8217;s CMS to UTF-8 entirely, and made it very easy for me to do so. :)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kolano</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator>Kolano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-625</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Because there continue to be no major advantages to valid XHTML over valid HTML&quot;

Well except for allowing XML based tools to more easily grab and parse your content. Sigh. I don&#039;t mind you not using XHTML, but please don&#039;t say there is no advantage to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because there continue to be no major advantages to valid XHTML over valid HTML&#8221;</p>
<p>Well except for allowing XML based tools to more easily grab and parse your content. Sigh. I don&#8217;t mind you not using XHTML, but please don&#8217;t say there is no advantage to it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Y.</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-624</link>
		<dc:creator>John Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 15:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-624</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Eric,

No thoughts on the serif/sans-serif item? I, for one, find serif fonts more readable, even on screen; I admit, though, that I may be an aberration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>No thoughts on the serif/sans-serif item? I, for one, find serif fonts more readable, even on screen; I admit, though, that I may be an aberration.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dive The Web</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>Dive The Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 13:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-623</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Évaluation de quelques sites&lt;/strong&gt;
L&#039;évaluation faite par François Briatte est en soit intéressante. Mais ce qui l&#039;est encore plus, c&#039;est les réponses à son étude. Déjà, Dave Shea, Jon Hicks et Eric Meyer on réagit. Je suppose que d&#039;autres réactions suivront :-)
]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Évaluation de quelques sites</strong><br />
L&#8217;évaluation faite par François Briatte est en soit intéressante. Mais ce qui l&#8217;est encore plus, c&#8217;est les réponses à son étude. Déjà, Dave Shea, Jon Hicks et Eric Meyer on réagit. Je suppose que d&#8217;autres réactions suivront :-)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mokhet Blog</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>Mokhet Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-621</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Sondage graphique&lt;/strong&gt;
Fran]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Sondage graphique</strong><br />
Fran</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-620</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;
Eric, your links aren&#039;t underlined for me - I set non-underlined-ness as the default. Never assume anything ever :)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
That was kind of my point.  As I said in the post:
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t assert link styles at all.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
Thus, the link styles on meyerweb mirror what the reader expects, in the form of his browser preferences.  I scored &quot;yes&quot; to all three questions because Fran&#231;ois&#039; preferences are set in such a way that this site yielded positive results for him on all three points.  I thought I was clear about that, but perhaps not.
&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Eric, your links aren&#8217;t underlined for me &#8211; I set non-underlined-ness as the default. Never assume anything ever :)
</p></blockquote>
<p>
That was kind of my point.  As I said in the post:
</p>
<blockquote><p>
I don&#8217;t assert link styles at all.
</p></blockquote>
<p>
Thus, the link styles on meyerweb mirror what the reader expects, in the form of his browser preferences.  I scored &#8220;yes&#8221; to all three questions because Fran&ccedil;ois&#8217; preferences are set in such a way that this site yielded positive results for him on all three points.  I thought I was clear about that, but perhaps not.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Laurens Holst</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-619</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurens Holst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-619</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[UTF-8 giving you strange characters? Both UTF-8 and ISO-8859-1 have the ASCII character set (meaning the first 127 characters are the same)... And as your site is English you&#039;re not using characters with accents (���), conversion between the two should be relatively trivial, up to the point that you don&#039;t even need to convert the files, just the character-encoding specified.

Well ok, now that you mention it, you do use some non-ASCII characters like � and �... But then again, if you start using UTF-8 you can go about using even more fancy characters! Yay! ^_^. Thing is, there are really only advantages to using UTF-8, except if you have existing content in a different character encoding.

About converting ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8... Load the document in particular as ISO-8859-1 in your favorite text editor supporting UTF-8 (Notepad, or rather, Notepad2!) and save them as UTF-8. Surely there are tools around to automate this as well.


~Grauw]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UTF-8 giving you strange characters? Both UTF-8 and ISO-8859-1 have the ASCII character set (meaning the first 127 characters are the same)&#8230; And as your site is English you&#8217;re not using characters with accents (���), conversion between the two should be relatively trivial, up to the point that you don&#8217;t even need to convert the files, just the character-encoding specified.</p>
<p>Well ok, now that you mention it, you do use some non-ASCII characters like � and �&#8230; But then again, if you start using UTF-8 you can go about using even more fancy characters! Yay! ^_^. Thing is, there are really only advantages to using UTF-8, except if you have existing content in a different character encoding.</p>
<p>About converting ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8&#8230; Load the document in particular as ISO-8859-1 in your favorite text editor supporting UTF-8 (Notepad, or rather, Notepad2!) and save them as UTF-8. Surely there are tools around to automate this as well.</p>
<p>~Grauw</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-618</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-618</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Nitpicking: XHTML is a pure XML format. HTML needs tidy, XHTML needs nothing. That doesn&#039;t mean I disagree with you by the way. Using XHTML without the appropriate mime type is a no-go, since the forward compatibility argument is gone (you are not completely sure your pages are well-formed) and IE doesn&#039;t support that mime type. Great :-)

O, and if you ever need some help with utf-8, just mail ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nitpicking: XHTML is a pure XML format. HTML needs tidy, XHTML needs nothing. That doesn&#8217;t mean I disagree with you by the way. Using XHTML without the appropriate mime type is a no-go, since the forward compatibility argument is gone (you are not completely sure your pages are well-formed) and IE doesn&#8217;t support that mime type. Great :-)</p>
<p>O, and if you ever need some help with utf-8, just mail ;-)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Greg K Nicholson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-617</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg K Nicholson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-617</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Eric, your links aren&#039;t underlined for me - I set non-underlined-ness as the default. Never assume anything ever :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, your links aren&#8217;t underlined for me &#8211; I set non-underlined-ness as the default. Never assume anything ever :)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Milan Negovan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan Negovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-616</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[This is an extremely interesting research. I&#039;m curious, though, why there are no hardcode web developers in the lineup. I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s just the perception that web developers can&#039;t produce anything worthwhile or what... Really don&#039;t know. There are plenty of PHP/Java/ASP.NET/ASP gurus out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an extremely interesting research. I&#8217;m curious, though, why there are no hardcode web developers in the lineup. I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s just the perception that web developers can&#8217;t produce anything worthwhile or what&#8230; Really don&#8217;t know. There are plenty of PHP/Java/ASP.NET/ASP gurus out there.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dive The Web &#187; Évaluation de quelques sites</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Dive The Web &#187; Évaluation de quelques sites</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/#comment-622</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[...] ;est encore plus, c&#8217;est les réponses à son étude. Déjà, Dave Shea, Jon Hicks et &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/&quot; class=&quot;lg&quot; lang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;Eric Meyer&lt;/a&gt; on réagit. Je suppose que d&#8217;autres r [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ;est encore plus, c&#8217;est les réponses à son étude. Déjà, Dave Shea, Jon Hicks et <a href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/28/creative-dissidence/" class="lg" lang="en">Eric Meyer</a> on réagit. Je suppose que d&#8217;autres r [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
<!-- WP Super Cache is installed but broken. The path to wp-cache-phase1.php in wp-content/advanced-cache.php must be fixed! -->