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		<title>By: Elliott C. Back, Cornell Student</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Some Things Just Come Out of the Blue&#8230;&lt;/strong&gt;
Every now and then something happens that you just don&#8217;t expect. It really catches you unawares. That&#8217;s how I felt when I read Eric Meyer&#8217;s entry, &#8216;Microsoft Migration&#8217;, about the newly redesigned, more standard complaint ...</description>
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Every now and then something happens that you just don&rsquo;t expect. It really catches you unawares. That&rsquo;s how I felt when I read Eric Meyer&rsquo;s entry, &lsquo;Microsoft Migration&rsquo;, about the newly redesigned, more standard complaint &#8230;</p>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Microsoft catching up&lt;/strong&gt;
Our fellow Microsoft, software company, supplier of millions of copies of Windows, Office and what not, leader in close-minded proprietary uselessness. We watched you grow and flourish, we will watch you fall, but right now we see that once again you t...</description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Microsoft Redesigns&lt;/strong&gt;
It looks like Microsoft Redesigned their homepage in an effort to get a little closer to standards compliance. Sure, its not perfect and I am sure there are still plenty of flaws, but finally, at least they are making an...</description>
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		<description>[...] Relaunch microsoft.com   Sowohl der Beitrag Microsoft Advances bei stopdesign als auch &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/08/27/microsoft-migration/&quot; &gt;Eric Meyer&lt;/a&gt; widmen dem Relaunch vom microsoft.com eine n</description>
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<p>  Sowohl der Beitrag Microsoft Advances bei stopdesign als auch <a href="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/08/27/microsoft-migration/" >Eric Meyer</a> widmen dem Relaunch vom microsoft.com eine n</p>
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		<title>By: Technically Working :: The Technology Blog of Keith Burgin &#187; Microsoft&#8217;s redesign&#8230; something&#8217;s missing.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Technically Working :: The Technology Blog of Keith Burgin &#187; Microsoft&#8217;s redesign&#8230; something&#8217;s missing.</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] ade a decent stab at using web standards.  And for that, I&#8217;m inclined to agree with  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/08/27/microsoft-migration/&quot;&gt;Eric Meyer&lt;/a&gt; and Bowman in saying that it&#8217;s a good step forward.  Let&amp;# [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rambling Thoughts &#187; Corporates Embracing Web Standards - Bhatt.id.au</title>
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		<description>[...] e way by embracing web standards (CSS, HTML) in their recent site redesigns as reported by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/08/27/microsoft-migration/&quot;&gt;Eric Meyer&lt;/a&gt; and The Web Standards Awards. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ghosts in my mind &#187; Tables are passe. CSS is here!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ghosts in my mind &#187; Tables are passe. CSS is here!</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: HR &#187; Be Smart: I&#8217;m no standards expert</title>
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As has been reported in a bunch of places, Microsoft&#8217;s home page has been redesigned and uses standards-oriented design principles, eschewing tables and spacer GIFs for CSS-driven layout.  The weight of their home page&#8217;s HTML document dropped by almost three-quarters&mdash;it&#8217;s 27.5% the size of the IE-specific version of the previous design, and 30.5% the size of the non-IE version.  It still uses a few tables for layout (about one-sixth what it did before) and throws some validation errors, but not in overwhelming numbers.  It seems that they&#8217;ve even dropped browser sniffing, and are serving the same document to everyone.  <a href="http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2004/08/25/microsoft-advances.html" title="Microsoft Advances">Doug has more details</a>, for those who are curious.
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I think this is absolutely incredible, and to be applauded.  The <a href="http://www.webstandards.org/">Web Standards Project</a> should already have given them a round of applause, in my opinion, and hopefully will do so very soon.  It may seem like odd timing given the recent launch of the WaSP&#8217;s <a href="http://www.browsehappy.com/">Browse Happy</a> campaign, but the Web site and the browser are two very different things.  There&#8217;s no contradiction in discouraging use of the latter while applauding the improvements of the former.
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In my rounds of the posts and comments about this redesign, I saw a couple of people say things to the effect of &#8220;this is nothing important, the markup is still crap, and MS shouldn&#8217;t be praised simply for producing less crap than before&#8221;.  Um&#8230; yes they should.  As far as I&#8217;m concerned, any company or other organization that makes a standards-oriented move deserves praise for their efforts.  We might discuss what else they can do to improve further, but to slam someone who&#8217;s doing the right thing for not immediately achieving utter perfection (for whatever value of perfection happens to be in vogue at the time) seems like the most counterproductive act I can envision.  Well, besides launching DDoS attacks.  This is a time to encourage them to continue, not give them ample reason to reverse course.
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Analogy: if your significant other voluntarily cleans up after dinner, but misses a couple of the dirty dishes, which is more likely to get the job done? 
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<li>Yell at them for not doing a complete job and storm off.</li>
<li>Thank them for doing the dishes, and gently point out that they missed a couple.  Offer to do them yourself.</li>
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I bet the second one works in most cases.  In fact, we could offer to do the &#8220;missed dishes&#8221; by figuring out fixes for the remaining errors, and offering them for use.
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I wish I could say I&#8217;d had something to do with their redesign through <a href="http://www.complexspiral.com/">Complex Spiral Consulting</a>, but I didn&#8217;t.  Doug probably wishes he could say something similar with regards to <a href="http://www.stopdesign.com/" rel="friend colleague met">Stopdesign</a>, but from what I can tell he wasn&#8217;t involved either.  <a href="http://www.mikeindustries.com/">Mike Davidson</a> is in their area, but since he hasn&#8217;t said anything yet I&#8217;m guessing that he&#8217;s also an observer.  The initial impression is that this was an internally-driven effort, one that has paid off in bandwidth savings, efficient coding, and more.
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So I&#8217;m taking this opportunity to salute the efforts of the microsoft.com team.  Well done!
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