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		<title>By: Tesla</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-520761</link>
		<dc:creator>Tesla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Dec 2010 01:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Came across this bug today, yup - nearly 2011. The only issue is that mine isn&#039;t triggered with a float, it&#039;s being set off by a width specification. I&#039;ve spent two days trying to figure it out, and the past two hours trying to combat it. Now I&#039;m having to re-adjust the entire layout so that that width doesn&#039;t need to be in there. Lovely!

Especially lovely is this tidbit about the update that did this to IE on its Security Update page:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms07-045.mspx&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;When this security bulletin was issued, had this vulnerability been publicly disclosed? &lt;/strong&gt;
No. Microsoft received information about this vulnerability through responsible disclosure.

&lt;strong&gt;When this security bulletin was issued, had Microsoft received any reports that this vulnerability was being exploited? &lt;/strong&gt;
No. Microsoft had not received any information to indicate that this vulnerability had been publicly used to attack customers and had not seen any examples of proof of concept code published when this security bulletin was originally issued.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unreal. Thanks again, Microsoft.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came across this bug today, yup &#8211; nearly 2011. The only issue is that mine isn&#8217;t triggered with a float, it&#8217;s being set off by a width specification. I&#8217;ve spent two days trying to figure it out, and the past two hours trying to combat it. Now I&#8217;m having to re-adjust the entire layout so that that width doesn&#8217;t need to be in there. Lovely!</p>
<p>Especially lovely is this tidbit about the update that did this to IE on its Security Update page:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms07-045.mspx"><p><strong>When this security bulletin was issued, had this vulnerability been publicly disclosed? </strong><br />
No. Microsoft received information about this vulnerability through responsible disclosure.</p>
<p><strong>When this security bulletin was issued, had Microsoft received any reports that this vulnerability was being exploited? </strong><br />
No. Microsoft had not received any information to indicate that this vulnerability had been publicly used to attack customers and had not seen any examples of proof of concept code published when this security bulletin was originally issued.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Unreal. Thanks again, Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Hacking CSS &#124; Do The Right Thing</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-506077</link>
		<dc:creator>Hacking CSS &#124; Do The Right Thing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] after I followed up the notion of improperly parsed &#8216;float&#8217; properties and ended up at an old post on Eric Meyer&#8217;s site. This kicked my brain into revisiting the CSS, and after some playing around, I resolved the issue [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] after I followed up the notion of improperly parsed &#8216;float&#8217; properties and ended up at an old post on Eric Meyer&#8217;s site. This kicked my brain into revisiting the CSS, and after some playing around, I resolved the issue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tetsuo</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-434979</link>
		<dc:creator>Tetsuo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very odd. Here was what fixed it for me (seems everyone has different solutions though...) I had a containing element that was set to:

&quot;&lt;strong&gt;position:relative&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

and I singled out that two elements within this container were causing the crash, and they both had &quot;float:right&quot; applied to them. By setting &quot;&lt;strong&gt;float:none&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; + &quot;&lt;strong&gt;display:block&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; to these in an IE6-specific stylesheet fixed the crash.

I&#039;m surprised this bug is over 4 years old, and it&#039;s such a &lt;strong&gt;catastrophic&lt;/strong&gt; one at that, you would expect to have at least been aware of it before... Never have I ever seen a CSS statement cause the rendering engine to crash the browser. Until this week. I suppose in retrospect, I shouldn&#039;t have been surprised - this &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; Internet Explorer we&#039;re dealing with, after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very odd. Here was what fixed it for me (seems everyone has different solutions though&#8230;) I had a containing element that was set to:</p>
<p>&#8220;<strong>position:relative</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>and I singled out that two elements within this container were causing the crash, and they both had &#8220;float:right&#8221; applied to them. By setting &#8220;<strong>float:none</strong>&#8221; + &#8220;<strong>display:block</strong>&#8221; to these in an IE6-specific stylesheet fixed the crash.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised this bug is over 4 years old, and it&#8217;s such a <strong>catastrophic</strong> one at that, you would expect to have at least been aware of it before&#8230; Never have I ever seen a CSS statement cause the rendering engine to crash the browser. Until this week. I suppose in retrospect, I shouldn&#8217;t have been surprised &#8211; this <em>is</em> Internet Explorer we&#8217;re dealing with, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Vaughan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-434097</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Vaughan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just been having a similar problem with a div floated left. Setting it to display:inline, position:relative, display:block, float:right, changing element to a span, all failed.

In the end set it to &lt;strong&gt;clear:left&lt;/strong&gt; then &lt;strong&gt;clear:both&lt;/strong&gt; which both solved the problem! Obviously not much help to most people but in my case it was an exceptable solution.

Currently running XP SP3 on VMware Fusion, also found the problem in IETester which also uses the IE6 render engine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just been having a similar problem with a div floated left. Setting it to display:inline, position:relative, display:block, float:right, changing element to a span, all failed.</p>
<p>In the end set it to <strong>clear:left</strong> then <strong>clear:both</strong> which both solved the problem! Obviously not much help to most people but in my case it was an exceptable solution.</p>
<p>Currently running XP SP3 on VMware Fusion, also found the problem in IETester which also uses the IE6 render engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Het wil maar niet lukken &#171; Danny&#8217;s Informatica Weblog</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-419695</link>
		<dc:creator>Het wil maar niet lukken &#171; Danny&#8217;s Informatica Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Explore crashen. Het probleem schijnt vaker voor te komen en in de reacties op een blog post (appendix 4) zijn er wel oplossingen aan geboden maar geen van allen verholp het probleem van mijn [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Explore crashen. Het probleem schijnt vaker voor te komen en in de reacties op een blog post (appendix 4) zijn er wel oplossingen aan geboden maar geen van allen verholp het probleem van mijn [...]</p>
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		<title>By: FireLike &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How CSS can crash Browser</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-205093</link>
		<dc:creator>FireLike &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How CSS can crash Browser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the day trying to fix a misterious crash problem with Internet Explorer 6. Finally I found this site with suggestions for a [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the day trying to fix a misterious crash problem with Internet Explorer 6. Finally I found this site with suggestions for a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plamen</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-205088</link>
		<dc:creator>Plamen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2007 07:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had the same problem: IE6 crashes because of the &lt;b&gt;float:left&lt;/b&gt;.
Tried janisto&#039;s suggestion (No 32) for &lt;b&gt;display: inline&lt;/b&gt; and it worked.
I needed the float:left because without it my div background did not appear in firefox.

div.hdr{
	width:100%; 
	display: inline;
	float:left;
	background-image:url(/images/background.gif);
	background-repeat: repeat-x;
}]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same problem: IE6 crashes because of the <b>float:left</b>.<br />
Tried janisto&#8217;s suggestion (No 32) for <b>display: inline</b> and it worked.<br />
I needed the float:left because without it my div background did not appear in firefox.</p>
<p>div.hdr{<br />
	width:100%;<br />
	display: inline;<br />
	float:left;<br />
	background-image:url(/images/background.gif);<br />
	background-repeat: repeat-x;<br />
}</p>
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		<title>By: Mag Leahy</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-150499</link>
		<dc:creator>Mag Leahy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 11:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi all,

Had a similar IE problem. Narrowed it down to this CSS line:

#plants ul.goesWell a {display:block; float:left;}

The odd thing is I am trying to get a page into it&quot;s print view visual state so if I use print.css as the screen css: 

media=&quot;screen,projection&quot;

then all is fine, but when I go to Print Preview with this css:

media=&quot;print&quot;

it crashes the browser consistently each time.

As I skimmed through the comments, I saw #22 from James Davies and worked a treat, thanks James! The new line is:

#plants ul.goesWell a {display:block; float:left; &lt;b&gt;position:relative;&lt;/b&gt;}

IE: sigh!
Cheers everyone.
Mag]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>Had a similar IE problem. Narrowed it down to this CSS line:</p>
<p>#plants ul.goesWell a {display:block; float:left;}</p>
<p>The odd thing is I am trying to get a page into it&#8221;s print view visual state so if I use print.css as the screen css: </p>
<p>media=&#8221;screen,projection&#8221;</p>
<p>then all is fine, but when I go to Print Preview with this css:</p>
<p>media=&#8221;print&#8221;</p>
<p>it crashes the browser consistently each time.</p>
<p>As I skimmed through the comments, I saw #22 from James Davies and worked a treat, thanks James! The new line is:</p>
<p>#plants ul.goesWell a {display:block; float:left; <b>position:relative;</b>}</p>
<p>IE: sigh!<br />
Cheers everyone.<br />
Mag</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-142731</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, glad to find this article. I just built a website with 3 pages of 31 crashing IE 6. All 3 pages use the same stylesheets (but different from the other 28 pages) with graphic buttons within &lt;li&gt; and &lt;ul&gt;. The list items were float: left; so i deleted that line and all went fine on 2 of the 3 pages. I didn&#039;t check the 3rd.

But now: I checked against it and inserted the float: left; back again. Restarted IE, cleard cache (and cookies), and the two pages i tested before are still running fine, but on the 3rd page, IE crashes.

Then I deleted that float: left;, reloaded the 3rd page, it works. Re-inserted float: left; and all pages work fine. Internet Explorer seems to have a mind besides its cache. I wonder where it might be.

What the ... is wrong here?

Greetings from Einbeck, Germany,
Martin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, glad to find this article. I just built a website with 3 pages of 31 crashing IE 6. All 3 pages use the same stylesheets (but different from the other 28 pages) with graphic buttons within &lt;li&gt; and &lt;ul&gt;. The list items were float: left; so i deleted that line and all went fine on 2 of the 3 pages. I didn&#8217;t check the 3rd.</p>
<p>But now: I checked against it and inserted the float: left; back again. Restarted IE, cleard cache (and cookies), and the two pages i tested before are still running fine, but on the 3rd page, IE crashes.</p>
<p>Then I deleted that float: left;, reloaded the 3rd page, it works. Re-inserted float: left; and all pages work fine. Internet Explorer seems to have a mind besides its cache. I wonder where it might be.</p>
<p>What the &#8230; is wrong here?</p>
<p>Greetings from Einbeck, Germany,<br />
Martin</p>
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		<title>By: redemption in a blog - Finally, Bezurk and news.com.au co-brand is up and running</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-96585</link>
		<dc:creator>redemption in a blog - Finally, Bezurk and news.com.au co-brand is up and running</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] thanks to a CSS bug in IE6, we were delayed by a week. The last thing we expected was a CSS bug hanging IE6 but yeah, well, it [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] thanks to a CSS bug in IE6, we were delayed by a week. The last thing we expected was a CSS bug hanging IE6 but yeah, well, it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Herb</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-90905</link>
		<dc:creator>Herb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a novice HTML&#039;r and I&#039;ve been using CoffeeCup to put a site together. All of a sudden I my links started strange behavior when Previewing. I thought it was CoffeeCup, so I tried the site (local HD)in IE6 and it did the same thing. So I tried my Version1 site from 3 weeks earlier that worked fine then &amp; it did the same thing, just intermittently links would work and not work. I&#039;m on XP SP2 (upgraded from SP1 online about a month or two ago). The only change I can think of is I upgraded Microsoft Media Player to 11.0 a week ago. But what could that possibly have to do with it??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a novice HTML&#8217;r and I&#8217;ve been using CoffeeCup to put a site together. All of a sudden I my links started strange behavior when Previewing. I thought it was CoffeeCup, so I tried the site (local HD)in IE6 and it did the same thing. So I tried my Version1 site from 3 weeks earlier that worked fine then &amp; it did the same thing, just intermittently links would work and not work. I&#8217;m on XP SP2 (upgraded from SP1 online about a month or two ago). The only change I can think of is I upgraded Microsoft Media Player to 11.0 a week ago. But what could that possibly have to do with it??</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-63205</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a similar problem, it turned out that a class that was being applied to an anchor tag and contained the element &#039;width:100%&#039; was causing the crash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar problem, it turned out that a class that was being applied to an anchor tag and contained the element &#8216;width:100%&#8217; was causing the crash.</p>
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		<title>By: Jörgen</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-57451</link>
		<dc:creator>Jörgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[..had a similar problem..
the class

.test
{
width: 31.8em;
margin: 0 8.7em 0 2.4em;
float:left;
}

crashed the IE 6..
but after reading here we changed it to

.test
{
float:left;
display:inline;
width: 31.8em;
margin: 0 8.7em 0 2.4em;
}

and everything worked fine.. strange but nice..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..had a similar problem..<br />
the class</p>
<p>.test<br />
{<br />
width: 31.8em;<br />
margin: 0 8.7em 0 2.4em;<br />
float:left;<br />
}</p>
<p>crashed the IE 6..<br />
but after reading here we changed it to</p>
<p>.test<br />
{<br />
float:left;<br />
display:inline;<br />
width: 31.8em;<br />
margin: 0 8.7em 0 2.4em;<br />
}</p>
<p>and everything worked fine.. strange but nice..</p>
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		<title>By: satish</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-52598</link>
		<dc:creator>satish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a similar problem. 
I suddenly started crashing. 
But it was after some months of using.

We solved the problem. We removed the float element from the CSS.
Then i was just checking for articles on CSS making IE crash n i came across this. This is a too good article. 

I tried to solve the problem and that process i literally crashed IE more than 100 times .
We solved the problem.
But i wondered why only with IE as MoZI didnt give the problem with same CSS? There is some problem with IE&#039;s rendering Engine as ur saying.

Thanks n regards 

satish Gaudo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar problem.<br />
I suddenly started crashing.<br />
But it was after some months of using.</p>
<p>We solved the problem. We removed the float element from the CSS.<br />
Then i was just checking for articles on CSS making IE crash n i came across this. This is a too good article. </p>
<p>I tried to solve the problem and that process i literally crashed IE more than 100 times .<br />
We solved the problem.<br />
But i wondered why only with IE as MoZI didnt give the problem with same CSS? There is some problem with IE&#8217;s rendering Engine as ur saying.</p>
<p>Thanks n regards </p>
<p>satish Gaudo.</p>
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		<title>By: maximus</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/16/when-browsers-attack/#comment-44415</link>
		<dc:creator>maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[whenever i open a hyperlink from the main page into a new window,
the &quot;parent&quot; IE window hangs if i close the &quot;child&quot; new window.
i have to terminate the parent IE window through task manager.
Any ideas guy y this happens. Is it a browser attack, or a bug in IE6.0 ? any remedies appreciated]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whenever i open a hyperlink from the main page into a new window,<br />
the &#8220;parent&#8221; IE window hangs if i close the &#8220;child&#8221; new window.<br />
i have to terminate the parent IE window through task manager.<br />
Any ideas guy y this happens. Is it a browser attack, or a bug in IE6.0 ? any remedies appreciated</p>
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