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		<title>By: Peter Murray</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1941</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perfect!  Thanks, Dave.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perfect!  Thanks, Dave.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Marks</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter you could give an external link a rel=&quot;external&quot; and then use this bit of javascript to make those links open in a new window - and still use xhtml 1.1 :D

http://hchg.co.uk/js/external.js]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter you could give an external link a rel=&#8221;external&#8221; and then use this bit of javascript to make those links open in a new window &#8211; and still use xhtml 1.1 :D</p>
<p><a href="http://hchg.co.uk/js/external.js" rel="nofollow">http://hchg.co.uk/js/external.js</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1911</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael: Thanks again.  I thought that was the problem but for some reason I just couldn&#039;t find the :hover rule (not even with find-and-replace).  I was probably mistyping or something.  Anyway, I&#039;m going to have to think about how I want to tackle this problem for a bit, and then do so.  This will be another good opportunity for me to teach myself JavaScript.

Peter: Absolutely. Just drop back to XHTML 1.0 Transitional and use good old &lt;code&gt;base target&lt;/code&gt; -- http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#dtdentry_xhtml1-transitional.dtd_base -- or else use a tabbed browser and hold down the &quot;open in new tab&quot; key when you click on an external link (this is what I usually do).  I&#039;ll make S&lt;sup&gt;5&lt;/sup&gt; 1.1 accept any XHTML 1.x flavor, and will probably have 1.0 do the same retroactively.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: Thanks again.  I thought that was the problem but for some reason I just couldn&#8217;t find the :hover rule (not even with find-and-replace).  I was probably mistyping or something.  Anyway, I&#8217;m going to have to think about how I want to tackle this problem for a bit, and then do so.  This will be another good opportunity for me to teach myself JavaScript.</p>
<p>Peter: Absolutely. Just drop back to XHTML 1.0 Transitional and use good old <code>base target</code> &#8212; <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#dtdentry_xhtml1-transitional.dtd_base" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#dtdentry_xhtml1-transitional.dtd_base</a> &#8212; or else use a tabbed browser and hold down the &#8220;open in new tab&#8221; key when you click on an external link (this is what I usually do).  I&#8217;ll make S<sup>5</sup> 1.1 accept any XHTML 1.x flavor, and will probably have 1.0 do the same retroactively.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Murray</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1894</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Murray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 03:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can you force external links to open in a new document?  It is particularly annoying when one&#039;s place in the presentation isn&#039;t remembered because of the nature of this scheme, and hitting the back arrow returns one to the first slide.  (FF 1.0 on Mac OS X)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you force external links to open in a new document?  It is particularly annoying when one&#8217;s place in the presentation isn&#8217;t remembered because of the nature of this scheme, and hitting the back arrow returns one to the first slide.  (FF 1.0 on Mac OS X)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Finney</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1890</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Finney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2004 00:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The current testbed has an &quot;Expanding The Field&quot; slide, whose bullet points are highlighted sequentially as expected.

The next slide is &quot;Expanding The Field II&quot;, but the list contents seem to be identical; and the bullet point highlighting breaks when it reaches the nested ul element: all the bullet points are highlighted at once.

From that point on, bullet points are no longer sequentially highlighted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current testbed has an &#8220;Expanding The Field&#8221; slide, whose bullet points are highlighted sequentially as expected.</p>
<p>The next slide is &#8220;Expanding The Field II&#8221;, but the list contents seem to be identical; and the bullet point highlighting breaks when it reaches the nested ul element: all the bullet points are highlighted at once.</p>
<p>From that point on, bullet points are no longer sequentially highlighted.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1889</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It works for me when I assign &#039;hideme&#039; to both and make showHide() do both objects. The menu and buttons are locked together instead of disappearing/appearing independently, though. You could give them separate event handlers to fix that.

Still works in Firefox except for the same slight behavior change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It works for me when I assign &#8216;hideme&#8217; to both and make showHide() do both objects. The menu and buttons are locked together instead of disappearing/appearing independently, though. You could give them separate event handlers to fix that.</p>
<p>Still works in Firefox except for the same slight behavior change.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1888</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah! If the controls are hidden, it only assigns the &#039;hideme&#039; class to the navButtons DIV (and the showHide() function only shows/hides one item anyway). If the controls are visible, it assigns &#039;hideme&#039; to the jumplist, which I have to assume you put there to make IE work at some point.

Firefox and Opera work because of the code in pretty.css:

div#controls #navList #jumplist {visibility: hidden; background: #DDD; color: #227;}
div#controls #navList:hover #jumplist {visibility: visible;}

IE doesn&#039;t support :hover on non-links, right?

So the solution should be to (1) assign &quot;hideme&quot; to both jumplist and navButtons, and (2) modify showHide() to use a loop and support more than one object with the class.

Or maybe assign &#039;hideme&#039; to controlForm? But this doesn&#039;t work when I try it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! If the controls are hidden, it only assigns the &#8216;hideme&#8217; class to the navButtons DIV (and the showHide() function only shows/hides one item anyway). If the controls are visible, it assigns &#8216;hideme&#8217; to the jumplist, which I have to assume you put there to make IE work at some point.</p>
<p>Firefox and Opera work because of the code in pretty.css:</p>
<p>div#controls #navList #jumplist {visibility: hidden; background: #DDD; color: #227;}<br />
div#controls #navList:hover #jumplist {visibility: visible;}</p>
<p>IE doesn&#8217;t support :hover on non-links, right?</p>
<p>So the solution should be to (1) assign &#8220;hideme&#8221; to both jumplist and navButtons, and (2) modify showHide() to use a loop and support more than one object with the class.</p>
<p>Or maybe assign &#8216;hideme&#8217; to controlForm? But this doesn&#8217;t work when I try it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1885</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad it works! I&#039;m looking at the menu issue, not sure what&#039;s going on there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad it works! I&#8217;m looking at the menu issue, not sure what&#8217;s going on there.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1884</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nevermind the second thing I said - I was using a borked copy of the testbed saved from IE. Changing the meta name from &quot;controls&quot; does indeed fix the problem.

And the controls show/hide correctly after I changed &#039;controls&#039; in slides4.js line 440 to match the new meta name.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nevermind the second thing I said &#8211; I was using a borked copy of the testbed saved from IE. Changing the meta name from &#8220;controls&#8221; does indeed fix the problem.</p>
<p>And the controls show/hide correctly after I changed &#8216;controls&#8217; in slides4.js line 440 to match the new meta name.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1883</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was it, Michael.  Thanks.  Now we just need to figure out how to make the menu show up in IE/Win when it&#039;s hovered over, which it doesn&#039;t do right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was it, Michael.  Thanks.  Now we just need to figure out how to make the menu show up in IE/Win when it&#8217;s hovered over, which it doesn&#8217;t do right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1882</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe the problem is that IE is confusing your meta tag with the name &#039;controls&#039; with the DIV with the ID &#039;controls&#039;. This is stupid, but when I change the meta tag name, it eliminates the error in IE. 

It shows as an outline in IE instead of as a slideshow, though. Don&#039;t know why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the problem is that IE is confusing your meta tag with the name &#8216;controls&#8217; with the DIV with the ID &#8216;controls&#8217;. This is stupid, but when I change the meta tag name, it eliminates the error in IE. </p>
<p>It shows as an outline in IE instead of as a slideshow, though. Don&#8217;t know why.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Marks</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1881</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoops thought that might happen. Feel free to tidy that up.
I&#039;ve never understood how IE reports line numbers in JS, but thats the line the debugger took me too, ie within function createControls()]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops thought that might happen. Feel free to tidy that up.<br />
I&#8217;ve never understood how IE reports line numbers in JS, but thats the line the debugger took me too, ie within function createControls()</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Marks</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1880</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Marks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The line number refers to this chunk of code

controlsDiv.innerHTML = &#039;&lt;form action=&quot;#&quot; id=&quot;controlForm&quot;&#039; + hideDiv + &#039;&gt;&#039; +
	&#039;&lt;div id=&quot;navButtons&quot;&gt;&#039; +
	&#039;&lt;a accesskey=&quot;t&quot; id=&quot;toggle&quot; href=&quot;javascript:toggle();&quot;&gt;&#216;&lt; /a&gt;&#039; +
	&#039;&lt;a accesskey=&quot;z&quot; id=&quot;prev&quot; href=&quot;javascript:go(-1);&quot;&gt;&laquo;&lt; /a&gt;&#039; +
	&#039;&lt;a accesskey=&quot;x&quot; id=&quot;next&quot; href=&quot;javascript:go(1);&quot;&gt;&raquo;&lt; /a&gt;&#039; +
	&#039;&lt; /div&gt;&#039; +
	&#039;&lt;div id=&quot;navList&quot;&#039; + hideList + &#039;&gt;&lt;select id=&quot;jumplist&quot; onchange=&quot;go(&#039;j&#039;);&quot;&gt;&lt; /select&gt;&lt; /div&gt;&#039; +
	&#039;&lt; /form&gt;&#039;;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The line number refers to this chunk of code</p>
<p>controlsDiv.innerHTML = &#8216;&lt;form action=&#8221;#&#8221; id=&#8221;controlForm&#8221;&#8216; + hideDiv + &#8216;&gt;&#8217; +<br />
	&#8216;&lt;div id=&#8221;navButtons&#8221;&gt;&#8217; +<br />
	&#8216;&lt;a accesskey=&#8221;t&#8221; id=&#8221;toggle&#8221; href=&#8221;javascript:toggle();&#8221;&gt;&amp;#216;&lt; /a&gt;&#8217; +<br />
	&#8216;&lt;a accesskey=&#8221;z&#8221; id=&#8221;prev&#8221; href=&#8221;javascript:go(-1);&#8221;&gt;&amp;laquo;&lt; /a&gt;&#8217; +<br />
	&#8216;&lt;a accesskey=&#8221;x&#8221; id=&#8221;next&#8221; href=&#8221;javascript:go(1);&#8221;&gt;&amp;raquo;&lt; /a&gt;&#8217; +<br />
	&#8216;&lt; /div&gt;&#8217; +<br />
	&#8216;&lt;div id=&#8221;navList&#8221;&#8216; + hideList + &#8216;&gt;&lt;select id=&#8221;jumplist&#8221; onchange=&#8221;go(&#8216;j&#8217;);&#8221;&gt;&lt; /select&gt;&lt; /div&gt;&#8217; +<br />
	&#8216;&lt; /form&gt;&#8217;;</p>
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		<title>By: Open Artifact &#187; S5 Update</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/11/17/s5-11a4/#comment-1887</link>
		<dc:creator>Open Artifact &#187; S5 Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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