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		<title>By: Bruce D'Arcus</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4844</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce D'Arcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a feature request/suggestion:

The S5 content model is currently flat. However, presentations typically have a hierarchy; they very commonly are divided into sections, with each section break indicated with its own title slide.

I thus propose that S5 allow for a div with a &quot;section&quot; class attribute within the &quot;presentation&quot; div. The first slide within that div would thus be the title slide for that section.

The other -- less ideal -- option would be to keep the current structure, but to allow an additional &quot;section&quot; class attribute on a a slide div to signal the need for different formatting.  I don&#039;t really like this approach myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feature request/suggestion:</p>
<p>The S5 content model is currently flat. However, presentations typically have a hierarchy; they very commonly are divided into sections, with each section break indicated with its own title slide.</p>
<p>I thus propose that S5 allow for a div with a &#8220;section&#8221; class attribute within the &#8220;presentation&#8221; div. The first slide within that div would thus be the title slide for that section.</p>
<p>The other &#8212; less ideal &#8212; option would be to keep the current structure, but to allow an additional &#8220;section&#8221; class attribute on a a slide div to signal the need for different formatting.  I don&#8217;t really like this approach myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Eggert</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4799</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Eggert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2005 15:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello folks!

S5 was mentioned in the German magazine &lt;a href=&quot;http://internetworld.de/&quot;&gt;Internet World&lt;/a&gt; (jeah, very German name, I know). In a two-side article it shows the advantages of S5 in opposition to Powerpoint and basic configuration.

Sadly the article isn&#039;t available for free. A &lt;a href=&quot;http://yatil.de/s5/neues/19/s5-in-der-internet-world&quot;&gt;brief summary&lt;/a&gt; can be found on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://yatil.de/s5/&quot;&gt;German S5 Website&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello folks!</p>
<p>S5 was mentioned in the German magazine <a href="http://internetworld.de/">Internet World</a> (jeah, very German name, I know). In a two-side article it shows the advantages of S5 in opposition to Powerpoint and basic configuration.</p>
<p>Sadly the article isn&#8217;t available for free. A <a href="http://yatil.de/s5/neues/19/s5-in-der-internet-world">brief summary</a> can be found on the <a href="http://yatil.de/s5/">German S5 Website</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce D'Arcus</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4791</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce D'Arcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 21:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just started using S5 (in conjunction with an OmniOutliner export plug-in) for classroom lectures.  One thing I&#039;d like to do, but haven&#039;t figured out, is to place an image behind the bulleted text.  Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just started using S5 (in conjunction with an OmniOutliner export plug-in) for classroom lectures.  One thing I&#8217;d like to do, but haven&#8217;t figured out, is to place an image behind the bulleted text.  Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Anderson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4780</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvia Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn that stuff looks cool. 

Thanks.

sylvia
http://blog.5p.org.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn that stuff looks cool. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>sylvia<br />
<a href="http://blog.5p.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://blog.5p.org.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Chandler</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4734</link>
		<dc:creator>James Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Jan 2005 20:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the tool, and I&#039;m going to use it for some presentations I&#039;m giving in the next two months.  But I have encountered one problem in IE  (v. 6.0.28) on Windows XP Professional:

Whenever I try to resize the browser window, I get the following error message (and the error message window will not close without shutting down IE through the task manager):

A Runtime Error has occurred.  
Do you wish to Debug? 
Line: 422
Error: invalid argument.

I apologize if this is a duplicate post, but I did not see this error reported elsewhere in the comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the tool, and I&#8217;m going to use it for some presentations I&#8217;m giving in the next two months.  But I have encountered one problem in IE  (v. 6.0.28) on Windows XP Professional:</p>
<p>Whenever I try to resize the browser window, I get the following error message (and the error message window will not close without shutting down IE through the task manager):</p>
<p>A Runtime Error has occurred.<br />
Do you wish to Debug?<br />
Line: 422<br />
Error: invalid argument.</p>
<p>I apologize if this is a duplicate post, but I did not see this error reported elsewhere in the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Tolliver</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4708</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Tolliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm.. It seems to be an adblock extention problem.  If I disable that it works fine.. odd..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm.. It seems to be an adblock extention problem.  If I disable that it works fine.. odd..</p>
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		<title>By: Robb Tolliver</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4707</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb Tolliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if this is a duplicate post, but I don&#039;t think the other one went through, because I disabled javascript.

External links are not working in firefox on winXP (for example, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/operashow/&quot;&gt;Opera Show&lt;/a&gt;&quot; on slide 3). They work fine in IE and Netscape 7.2. I tried outline mode and disabling the popup blocker.  The external link still doesn&#039;t work in firefox.  I could get it to work, however, if I disabled javascript.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if this is a duplicate post, but I don&#8217;t think the other one went through, because I disabled javascript.</p>
<p>External links are not working in firefox on winXP (for example, &#8220;<a href="http://www.opera.com/support/tutorials/operashow/">Opera Show</a>&#8221; on slide 3). They work fine in IE and Netscape 7.2. I tried outline mode and disabling the popup blocker.  The external link still doesn&#8217;t work in firefox.  I could get it to work, however, if I disabled javascript.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4701</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is mainly that all videos run &lt;em&gt;at the same time throughout the whole presentation&lt;/em&gt;. Trifide&#039;s suggestion means you needn&#039;t tolerate the loading time. The only solution/workaround I can think of (to the numbers of videos) is &#039;chunking&#039;. You split the presentation into pieces so that the last slide links to the first one of its subsequent.

Another thing I had in mind is packing it all up under an interface a la WordPress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is mainly that all videos run <em>at the same time throughout the whole presentation</em>. Trifide&#8217;s suggestion means you needn&#8217;t tolerate the loading time. The only solution/workaround I can think of (to the numbers of videos) is &#8216;chunking&#8217;. You split the presentation into pieces so that the last slide links to the first one of its subsequent.</p>
<p>Another thing I had in mind is packing it all up under an interface a la WordPress.</p>
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		<title>By: trifide</title>
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		<dc:creator>trifide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 16:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like very much Roy&#039;s whish-list,... alternatively a splash screen and the content (text+image) loading in background? ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like very much Roy&#8217;s whish-list,&#8230; alternatively a splash screen and the content (text+image) loading in background? &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4689</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 11:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish-list feature:

What if a trick was employed which would allow images to be loaded only once a &#039;slide&#039; is reached? At present, the entire presentation is run simultaneously. With 3 videos encoded as GIF&#039;s the presentation becomes a &#039;beast&#039; to: 1) load; 2) Run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish-list feature:</p>
<p>What if a trick was employed which would allow images to be loaded only once a &#8217;slide&#8217; is reached? At present, the entire presentation is run simultaneously. With 3 videos encoded as GIF&#8217;s the presentation becomes a &#8216;beast&#8217; to: 1) load; 2) Run.</p>
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		<title>By: Sérgio Nunes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sérgio Nunes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 09:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben: I really mean the audience. Occasionally, in workshops, the audience has access to the presentation using a browser so that they can copy code blocks and try them.

Do you know any simple hack so that the onclick event is disabled outside the navigation links ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben: I really mean the audience. Occasionally, in workshops, the audience has access to the presentation using a browser so that they can copy code blocks and try them.</p>
<p>Do you know any simple hack so that the onclick event is disabled outside the navigation links ?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Finney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Finney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 00:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-4668&quot;&gt;Sérgio&lt;/a&gt;: I presume you mean the presenter, not the audience, needs to copy and paste text.  Is it possible to just have the presentation document open as text, to get around this?

S5 isn&#039;t using the &lt;code&gt;onmouseover&lt;/code&gt; event for navigation.  You probably mean the &lt;code&gt;document.onclick&lt;/code&gt; event, which results in a &lt;code&gt;go(1)&lt;/code&gt; to move forward one slide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-4668">Sérgio</a>: I presume you mean the presenter, not the audience, needs to copy and paste text.  Is it possible to just have the presentation document open as text, to get around this?</p>
<p>S5 isn&#8217;t using the <code>onmouseover</code> event for navigation.  You probably mean the <code>document.onclick</code> event, which results in a <code>go(1)</code> to move forward one slide.</p>
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		<title>By: Sérgio Nunes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sérgio Nunes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I&#039;ve been using S5 in my classes. Thanks for the great work.

Though I have a small suggestion: allow the author to enable/disable the mouseover event. Often the audience needs to copy&amp;paste text from the slides and the &quot;on mouse over move next slide&quot; behaviour makes it really difficult.

Are you planning on adding any feature regarding this ?

Regards.

PS: I just lost the comment that I had written just because I had not filled the e-mail field (!). Arggh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using S5 in my classes. Thanks for the great work.</p>
<p>Though I have a small suggestion: allow the author to enable/disable the mouseover event. Often the audience needs to copy&#038;paste text from the slides and the &#8220;on mouse over move next slide&#8221; behaviour makes it really difficult.</p>
<p>Are you planning on adding any feature regarding this ?</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
<p>PS: I just lost the comment that I had written just because I had not filled the e-mail field (!). Arggh!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Monsson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4655</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Monsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The incremental display in Opera does not work. It doesn&#039;t even go backwards to OSF to make the incremental pages visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The incremental display in Opera does not work. It doesn&#8217;t even go backwards to OSF to make the incremental pages visible.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce D'Arcus</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/01/13/s5-11b3/#comment-4628</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce D'Arcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2005 23:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may have missed mention of this somewhere, but on Safari, the page-up/down keys don&#039;t work on the outline view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may have missed mention of this somewhere, but on Safari, the page-up/down keys don&#8217;t work on the outline view.</p>
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<p>
Well, there was time off for the holidays, but now S5 is back and ready to increment its beta number.  So, without too much ado: <a href="/eric/tools/s5/testbed/v11b3.zip">S5 1.1b3</a> (248KB ZIP file).  Here&#8217;s the <a href="/eric/tools/s5/testbed/">current testbed presentation</a>, for those who just want to play around with it.  Because of the long holiday break, I want to add another beta round or two just to work out as many kinks as possible.  So this isn&#8217;t the last version before going final on 1.1; still, I&#8217;m interested in any problems that people encounter.
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There&#8217;s really only one notable change from the previous version.  I incorporated Jordan Liggitt&#8217;s &#8220;type slide number&#8221; code into this version.  Why his, when others have done similar things?  Because his version was well-marked with comments, and thus easy for me to figure out what he&#8217;d done and how he&#8217;d done it.  So here&#8217;s how it works:
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<li>If the user types a number (multi-digit is allowed), the script stores the number.  Inputting any non-number key clears the entered number.</li>
<li>If the user hits Enter/Return while there is a number stored, the slide show jumps to that slide.  Any attempt to jump directly to a slide past the end of the slide show results in no action, although the number is still cleared.</li>
<li>Hitting any of the &#8220;Next&#8221; or &#8220;Previous&#8221; keys while there is a number entered causes the slide show to skip the number entered in the appropriate direction.  Thus, entering &#8220;3&#8243; and hitting the space bar would jump forward three slides; entering 5 and hitting Page Up would jump backward five slides.  Skipping past the end of the slide show will drop you on the title slide, which is something I&#8217;m thinking about changing, though I&#8217;m not entirely certain in what way.</li>
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I&#8217;m mulling over which keys should invoke which jumping behavior.  For example, a couple of times I&#8217;ve typed a slide number and then hit the space bar to advance directly to that slide.  Instead, I jumped forward by that number, which is correct but obviously not what I was subconsciously expecting.  So I&#8217;m thinking about further restricting the keys that trigger the &#8220;jump <i>n</i> slides&#8221; behavior.  Anyone have suggestions based on other slide show software?
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At this stage, I&#8217;m likely to put off adding the multiple-author <code>meta</code> that I toyed with in earlier versions.  The general need is still there, but I&#8217;m just not able to think the problem through with the kind of clarity I want.  It will have to wait for another day.  I&#8217;m also dithering a bit about the licensing, though at this point I&#8217;m leaning pretty heavily toward using <a href="http://www.jclark.com/xml/copying.txt">Expat</a>.  My hesitation is largely based on my very desire to make the right choice so that I never, ever have to worry about it again, you know?
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