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	<title>Comments on: Microformats and Semantics in Japan</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Kawakami</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/05/18/microformats-and-semantics-in-japan/#comment-13000</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Kawakami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, apparently, XFN is the most popular metada profile, according to Google&#039;s analysis of over a billion web pages. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/pageheaders.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/pageheaders.html&lt;/a&gt; for the skinny.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, apparently, XFN is the most popular metada profile, according to Google&#8217;s analysis of over a billion web pages. See <a href="http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/pageheaders.html" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/webstats/2005-12/pageheaders.html</a> for the skinny.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/05/18/microformats-and-semantics-in-japan/#comment-5637</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok, I&#039;m convinced microformats have the potential to add a lot more machine-readable data to the Web. But one thing I&#039;m still not sure about is the claim that the docs are easier to create than plain XML or RDF/XML. 

To author microformat docs you need to identify which data goes in which fields, whether that&#039;s through using separate text areas or inline markup of some kind. The way that information is recorded in the microformats happens to be as CSS attributes. But couldn&#039;t the same info be recorded as plain XML just as easily? Ok, most (X)HTML editors for static docs include CSS editing, but if you&#039;re dropping to a heavyweight editor, wouldn&#039;t you be better off using something more geared towards data than presentation? 

I suppose the bit that gets me is around &quot;adapt to current behaviors and usage patterns, e.g. (X)HTML, blogging&quot; - but what proportion of blogging tools allow per-post CSS editing? The current behaviour in most tools I&#039;ve seen is to partition up the data in a form or whatever before it goes in the DB, then the XHTML view is templated from that, as is a &quot;pure data&quot; version, the RSS. It would be no more difficult to template the output as a microformat doc as a custom XML or RDF/XML doc. 

Please tell me if I&#039;m missing something obvious, but I really can&#039;t see any significant simplification at the producer side, certainly nothing that outweighs the added complication at the comsumer side, having to extract the data from XHTML.

But like I said at the start, microformats do offer an additional route to machine-readable data and that gets my support. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;m convinced microformats have the potential to add a lot more machine-readable data to the Web. But one thing I&#8217;m still not sure about is the claim that the docs are easier to create than plain XML or RDF/XML. </p>
<p>To author microformat docs you need to identify which data goes in which fields, whether that&#8217;s through using separate text areas or inline markup of some kind. The way that information is recorded in the microformats happens to be as CSS attributes. But couldn&#8217;t the same info be recorded as plain XML just as easily? Ok, most (X)HTML editors for static docs include CSS editing, but if you&#8217;re dropping to a heavyweight editor, wouldn&#8217;t you be better off using something more geared towards data than presentation? </p>
<p>I suppose the bit that gets me is around &#8220;adapt to current behaviors and usage patterns, e.g. (X)HTML, blogging&#8221; &#8211; but what proportion of blogging tools allow per-post CSS editing? The current behaviour in most tools I&#8217;ve seen is to partition up the data in a form or whatever before it goes in the DB, then the XHTML view is templated from that, as is a &#8220;pure data&#8221; version, the RSS. It would be no more difficult to template the output as a microformat doc as a custom XML or RDF/XML doc. </p>
<p>Please tell me if I&#8217;m missing something obvious, but I really can&#8217;t see any significant simplification at the producer side, certainly nothing that outweighs the added complication at the comsumer side, having to extract the data from XHTML.</p>
<p>But like I said at the start, microformats do offer an additional route to machine-readable data and that gets my support. </p>
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		<title>By: Tantek</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/05/18/microformats-and-semantics-in-japan/#comment-5631</link>
		<dc:creator>Tantek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2005 20:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sören, go take a look at the Microformat principles:

http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/MicroFormats

and you will be able to answer your own question.

Tantek]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sören, go take a look at the Microformat principles:</p>
<p><a href="http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/MicroFormats" rel="nofollow">http://developers.technorati.com/wiki/MicroFormats</a></p>
<p>and you will be able to answer your own question.</p>
<p>Tantek</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/05/18/microformats-and-semantics-in-japan/#comment-5619</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 22:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A microformat for images, would be cool. Something like EXIF and XMP but about 13 steps easier to understand.

I took this photo here, at this time, here are the people in the photos, here are some tags that image. Now lets see some similar photos ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A microformat for images, would be cool. Something like EXIF and XMP but about 13 steps easier to understand.</p>
<p>I took this photo here, at this time, here are the people in the photos, here are some tags that image. Now lets see some similar photos &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sören Kuklau</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/05/18/microformats-and-semantics-in-japan/#comment-5618</link>
		<dc:creator>Sören Kuklau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 22:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just so I can be sure to truly understand what microformats are about, I have two questions: Is XFN a microformat? Is FOAF *not* a microformat?

If both are true, then I think I have a rough idea. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just so I can be sure to truly understand what microformats are about, I have two questions: Is XFN a microformat? Is FOAF *not* a microformat?</p>
<p>If both are true, then I think I have a rough idea. ;-)</p>
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