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		<title>By: Kill Internet Explorer With CSS</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/08/26/when-printing-kills/#comment-327142</link>
		<dc:creator>Kill Internet Explorer With CSS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I decide to investigate and sure enough Google comes through. Specific tags in your html code will cause Internet Explorer to crash when you try to print. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: fab</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/08/26/when-printing-kills/#comment-163274</link>
		<dc:creator>fab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 19:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some more reserved Ids:

On Internet Explorer 6, using id = &#039;type&#039; or &#039;description&#039; or &#039;positioning&#039; will cause ie to crash if you try to access them via document.getElementByID....


That sucks</description>
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<p>On Internet Explorer 6, using id = &#8216;type&#8217; or &#8216;description&#8217; or &#8216;positioning&#8217; will cause ie to crash if you try to access them via document.getElementByID&#8230;.</p>
<p>That sucks</p>
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		<title>By: explorer 6, suma y sigue&#8230; &#8226; limalimon.com.es</title>
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		<dc:creator>explorer 6, suma y sigue&#8230; &#8226; limalimon.com.es</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 09:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Este error, aunque parezca mentira, lleva documentado desde 2005  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rajneesh Garg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajneesh Garg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 09:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have my web page designed using DIVs. It also has a Display Tag component (JSP Taglib) which produces a grid using TABLE tab. When I issue print command (Ctrl-P) from this page, and chooses to have landscape mode, IE6 crashes. For Portrait mode, it works fine. I am not using tags as the div id or name. I have Windows 2003 Server running IE6 browser. No separate printing CSS is being used.
Any pointers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have my web page designed using DIVs. It also has a Display Tag component (JSP Taglib) which produces a grid using TABLE tab. When I issue print command (Ctrl-P) from this page, and chooses to have landscape mode, IE6 crashes. For Portrait mode, it works fine. I am not using tags as the div id or name. I have Windows 2003 Server running IE6 browser. No separate printing CSS is being used.<br />
Any pointers?</p>
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		<title>By: Chad&#8217;s dailies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-03-29</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/08/26/when-printing-kills/#comment-120277</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad&#8217;s dailies &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2007-03-29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] When Printing Kills (tags: ie bug printing) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: websparc</title>
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		<dc:creator>websparc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 22:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appologise for previous comments as trying to put the html tags which are breaking IE while printing. It breaks IE6 and IE7 but works on firefox.

            &lt;div&gt;
                &lt;input type=&quot;radio&quot; disabled=&quot;disabled&quot; checked=&quot;checked&quot;/&gt;Some
            &lt;/div&gt;
            &lt;table&gt;
                &lt;tr&gt;
                    &lt;td&gt;
                        &lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;File Number:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/td&gt;
                &lt;/tr&gt;
            &lt;/table&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appologise for previous comments as trying to put the html tags which are breaking IE while printing. It breaks IE6 and IE7 but works on firefox.</p>
<p>            &lt;div&gt;<br />
                &lt;input type=&quot;radio&quot; disabled=&quot;disabled&quot; checked=&quot;checked&quot;/&gt;Some<br />
            &lt;/div&gt;<br />
            &lt;table&gt;<br />
                &lt;tr&gt;<br />
                    &lt;td&gt;<br />
                        &lt;font color=&quot;black&quot;&gt;File Number:&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/td&gt;<br />
                &lt;/tr&gt;<br />
            &lt;/table&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Fl0yd</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/08/26/when-printing-kills/#comment-50665</link>
		<dc:creator>Fl0yd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just run into this problem myself.  Our user&#039;s couldn&#039;t print our online docs... hmm, I had never had any probs in Firefox...

Bloody IE!  Bloody Microsoft!  I&#039;ve wasted a good couple of hours on this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just run into this problem myself.  Our user&#8217;s couldn&#8217;t print our online docs&#8230; hmm, I had never had any probs in Firefox&#8230;</p>
<p>Bloody IE!  Bloody Microsoft!  I&#8217;ve wasted a good couple of hours on this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Webbie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tags ! That&#039;s it !
I could kiss you.</description>
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I could kiss you.</p>
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		<title>By: rh3toric</title>
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		<dc:creator>rh3toric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 23:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Crashing IE6&lt;/strong&gt;

While testing sites I rarely have taken the opportunity to test printing on all browsers/platforms.  Well the other day a client comes back to me and claims that their site has been crashing and always has when trying to print.Here is the problem:* sit...</description>
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<p>While testing sites I rarely have taken the opportunity to test printing on all browsers/platforms.  Well the other day a client comes back to me and claims that their site has been crashing and always has when trying to print.Here is the problem:* sit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Max Design - standards based web design, development and training  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Some links for light reading (12/9/05)</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/08/26/when-printing-kills/#comment-11639</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Design - standards based web design, development and training  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Some links for light reading (12/9/05)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ted 	Web browser standards support 	Interview with Dan Cederholm 	Writing Semantic Markup 	When Printing Kills 	Using the AIS Web Accessibility Toolbar 	Sony site in stan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: revelation  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; IE - Simply Laughable</title>
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		<dc:creator>revelation  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; IE - Simply Laughable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  this wasn&#8217;t enough, Eric Meyer mentioned a very interesting phenomena a while back: some valid [X]HTML actually kills Internet Explorer.  It&#8217;s not colloquial [...]</description>
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		<title>By: torresburriel.com &#187; Lecturas sobre hojas de estilo y est</title>
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		<dc:creator>torresburriel.com &#187; Lecturas sobre hojas de estilo y est</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ted 	Web browser standards support 	Interview with Dan Cederholm 	Writing Semantic Markup 	When Printing Kills 	Using the AIS Web Accessibility Toolbar 	Sony site in stan [...]</description>
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		<title>By: El blog del Señor Bohnke   &#187; Otro error en IE</title>
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		<dc:creator>El blog del Señor Bohnke   &#187; Otro error en IE</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...]  Pedrianes. 	  	 				   	 		 			&#171; El iArm 			 		 	 		 			Otro error en IE 	 			 					Se ha confirmado que no se p [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marty Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2005 00:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nearly identical to the Netscape 4.x bug that prevented form submission if the submit button had the attribute name=&quot;submit&quot; (not Submit, just submit).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nearly identical to the Netscape 4.x bug that prevented form submission if the submit button had the attribute name=&#8221;submit&#8221; (not Submit, just submit).</p>
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		<title>By: tubor.de</title>
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		<dc:creator>tubor.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>
Here&#8217;s a fascinating little tidbit: on some users&#8217; machines, attempts to print out <a href="http://joeclark.org/" rel="acquaintance met">Joe Clark</a>&#8217;s <a href="http://alistapart.com/">ALA</a> article &#8220;<a href="http://alistapart.com/articles/pdf_accessibility">Facts and Opinions About PDF Accessibility</a>&#8221; would crash Internet Explorer.  The error message mentioned a script error in line 1401: &#8220;Object doesn&#8217;t support this property or method&#8221;.  Funny thing: we weren&#8217;t doing any scripting.  The error was actually occurring <code>shdoclc.dll/preview.dlg</code>, which is of course a piece of the operating system.
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<a href="http://jasonsantamaria.com/" rel="co-worker acquaintance colleague met">Jason</a> did some sleuthing and traced the crash to this line of markup:
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&lt;h2 id="tags"&gt;Tags and structure&lt;/h2&gt;
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Honestly, that was it.  So <a href="http://zeldman.com/" rel="frind colleague met">Jeffrey</a> renamed the ID to read:
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&lt;h2 id="structure"&gt;Tags and structure&lt;/h2&gt;
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<p>
So far as we know, no more crashing in Explorer.
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<p>
Ain&#8217;t browsers a <em>slice</em>?
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<p>
(And yes, we&#8217;re aware of the clamor for a print style sheet.  More on this later.)
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<p>
<strong>Update:</strong> Marten Veldthuis from <a href="http://strongspace.com/">Strongpsace</a> points out that <a href="http://37signals.com/">37signals</a> ran into a very similar problem in <a href="http://www.backpackit.com/">Backpack</a>.  Details can be found in <a href="http://jamis.jamisbuck.org/">Jamis Buck</a>&#8217;s June 3rd post <a href="http://jamis.jamisbuck.org/articles/2005/06/03/ie-is-teh-3v1l">ie-is-teh-3v1l</a>.  <strong>Spread the word:</strong> &#8220;tags&#8221; is effectively a reserved keyword, even though no such concept exists in (X)HTML.  Use it at your (users&#8217;) peril.
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<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU" title="March 9 | &#8220;Apple juice&#8230; for half price!&#8221;  More like twice PRICELESS.  (Note: If you&#8217;re at work, don your headphones.)">Happy in Paraguay</a> <small>[via <a href="http://unstoppablerobotninja.com/">Ethan</a>]</small></li>
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<li><a href="http://www.mailchimp.com/blog/project-omnivore-declassified/" title="January 27 | Sounds like quite a feat.  But I wonder how we&#8217;d feel if Microsoft or Google announced the same kind of thing on their e-mail services.">MailChimp&#8217;s Project Omnivore: Declassified</a></li>
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<li><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_mali_what_teachers_make.html" title="January 25 | Truth.">Taylor Mali: What teachers make</a></li>
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