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	<title>Comments on: Back On Watch</title>
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		<title>By: Denn</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-11450</link>
		<dc:creator>Denn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 17:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It made me laugh out loud. I hope the Slashdot conversion will make web standards the default for their huge audience. If only, if only... it could be truly accessible too - now wouldn&quot;t that be bonzer! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It made me laugh out loud. I hope the Slashdot conversion will make web standards the default for their huge audience. If only, if only&#8230; it could be truly accessible too &#8211; now wouldn&#8221;t that be bonzer! </p>
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		<title>By: Michael C.</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6827</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, are you still getting the old-school Yahoo page? I remember I wrote to you many moons ago about Yahoo&#039;s standards-based redesign, and we found out that it wasn&#039;t being shown to all users around the globe; you got the old yucky site, and I got the new hotness. ;)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brainzipper.com/images/yahoo_standards.png&quot; title=&quot;Screenshot of the Yahoo website with table tags outlined&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the site I get today&lt;/a&gt; - screenshot with Firefox 1.0.4 (yeah, yeah, I know), and the Web Developer Toolbar set to outline in red any tables.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, are you still getting the old-school Yahoo page? I remember I wrote to you many moons ago about Yahoo&#8217;s standards-based redesign, and we found out that it wasn&#8217;t being shown to all users around the globe; you got the old yucky site, and I got the new hotness. ;)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.brainzipper.com/images/yahoo_standards.png" title="Screenshot of the Yahoo website with table tags outlined" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the site I get today</a> &#8211; screenshot with Firefox 1.0.4 (yeah, yeah, I know), and the Web Developer Toolbar set to outline in red any tables.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Zheng</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6649</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Zheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Woah! I just took a look at that Redesign Watch - you were part of the macromedia.com redesign? Bravo Meyer! My props go to you. I love how the Macromedia functions as such a semantically valid site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah! I just took a look at that Redesign Watch &#8211; you were part of the macromedia.com redesign? Bravo Meyer! My props go to you. I love how the Macromedia functions as such a semantically valid site.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Davis</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6648</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have a look at the newly revamped Sprint site at http://www.sprint.com - although it&#039;s broken in that you can&#039;t look at service plans...  grr...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at the newly revamped Sprint site at <a href="http://www.sprint.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.sprint.com</a> &#8211; although it&#8217;s broken in that you can&#8217;t look at service plans&#8230;  grr&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Tan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6645</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loved the comment for news.com.au:
&lt;blockquote&gt;This just in: standards-oriented design continues to speed sites, increase intelligence. Bonzer!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It made me laugh out loud. I hope the Slashdot conversion will make web standards the default for their huge audience. If only, if only... it could be truly accessible too - now wouldn&#039;t that be bonzer!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the comment for news.com.au:</p>
<blockquote><p>This just in: standards-oriented design continues to speed sites, increase intelligence. Bonzer!</p></blockquote>
<p>It made me laugh out loud. I hope the Slashdot conversion will make web standards the default for their huge audience. If only, if only&#8230; it could be truly accessible too &#8211; now wouldn&#8217;t that be bonzer!</p>
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		<title>By: mmmbeer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6643</link>
		<dc:creator>mmmbeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll put in a plug for my alma mater, &lt;a href=&quot;www.wisc.edu&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UW-Madison&lt;/a&gt;.  They did some massive changes (css+xhtml and, at least, the frontpage validates).  Plus they have some very cool xmlhttp stuff with their student/staff directory listing: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wisc.edu/directories/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Directory&lt;/a&gt;

mmmbeer!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll put in a plug for my alma mater, <a href="www.wisc.edu" rel="nofollow">UW-Madison</a>.  They did some massive changes (css+xhtml and, at least, the frontpage validates).  Plus they have some very cool xmlhttp stuff with their student/staff directory listing: <a href="http://www.wisc.edu/directories/" rel="nofollow">Directory</a></p>
<p>mmmbeer!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know with where I work there are a few people working on web pages that are pushing the HTML 4.01 loose to XHTML argument, but no one here wants to actually know what they are doing they just want to type into frontpage and publish.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know with where I work there are a few people working on web pages that are pushing the HTML 4.01 loose to XHTML argument, but no one here wants to actually know what they are doing they just want to type into frontpage and publish.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Purvis</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6640</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Purvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, but &lt;em&gt;now&lt;/em&gt; they can actually have a style-switcher. Seemed to me they were planning some kind of re-design contest.

I was wondering when you were going to mention the CssDot thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, but <em>now</em> they can actually have a style-switcher. Seemed to me they were planning some kind of re-design contest.</p>
<p>I was wondering when you were going to mention the CssDot thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Small Paul</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6639</link>
		<dc:creator>Small Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good on Slashdot for going the standards route, but it still, in my humble opinion, looks like ass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on Slashdot for going the standards route, but it still, in my humble opinion, looks like ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6635</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your Redesign Watch is an important service, Eric. I keep wondering what it will take to get the web design industry as a whole to turn the corner. I was looking at the course requirements for a Web Design Certificate program at my local junior college and was (am) appalled at what I found -- it&#039;s as if the time froze in 1999: barely any mention of CSS (other than the occasional font style=&quot;...&quot;), no XHTML, no classes on web standards, not one of the teachers&#039; &quot;home pages&quot; that validate ...

The problem is that business drives the local college&#039;s IT/CIS curriculum, and the vast majority of businesses have yet to even hear about XHTML/CSS and Web Standards. Getting educational/informative articles into more mainstream publications might be a good place to start. (There&#039;s been enough preaching to the choir, don&#039;t you think?)

A good &lt;abbr title=&quot;Wall Street Journal&quot;&gt;WSJ&lt;/abbr&gt; (or &lt;strong&gt;The&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;em&gt;[pick your city]&lt;/em&gt; &lt;strong&gt;Sunday Times&lt;/strong&gt;) article on the bandwidth/maintenance/sanity savings of standards compliant sites might help get a few more businesses to wake up. We just need one of the big name standards advocates to write it.

I nominate you. Anyone want to second that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Redesign Watch is an important service, Eric. I keep wondering what it will take to get the web design industry as a whole to turn the corner. I was looking at the course requirements for a Web Design Certificate program at my local junior college and was (am) appalled at what I found &#8212; it&#8217;s as if the time froze in 1999: barely any mention of CSS (other than the occasional font style=&#8221;&#8230;&#8221;), no XHTML, no classes on web standards, not one of the teachers&#8217; &#8220;home pages&#8221; that validate &#8230;</p>
<p>The problem is that business drives the local college&#8217;s IT/CIS curriculum, and the vast majority of businesses have yet to even hear about XHTML/CSS and Web Standards. Getting educational/informative articles into more mainstream publications might be a good place to start. (There&#8217;s been enough preaching to the choir, don&#8217;t you think?)</p>
<p>A good <abbr title="Wall Street Journal">WSJ</abbr> (or <strong>The</strong> <em>[pick your city]</em> <strong>Sunday Times</strong>) article on the bandwidth/maintenance/sanity savings of standards compliant sites might help get a few more businesses to wake up. We just need one of the big name standards advocates to write it.</p>
<p>I nominate you. Anyone want to second that?</p>
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		<title>By: Lou</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/22/back-on-watch/#comment-6631</link>
		<dc:creator>Lou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#039;s your feeling on slashdot being HTML 4.01 (and slightly failing validation http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.slashdot.org ) VS XHTML 1.0?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s your feeling on slashdot being HTML 4.01 (and slightly failing validation <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.slashdot.org</a> ) VS XHTML 1.0?</p>
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