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	<title>Comments on: Web Essentials 05 Wrap-up</title>
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	<description>Things that Eric A. Meyer, CSS expert, writes about on his personal Web site; it&#039;s largely Web standards and Web technology, but also various bits of culture, politics, personal observations, and other miscellaneous stuff</description>
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		<title>By: Christian Ready</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-12051</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Ready</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 01:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eric,

I was wondering if you would post your slides from WE05 anywhere?  I would love to have come to Austrailia to see you in person but alas budget did not permit.

Thanks!
Chris]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>I was wondering if you would post your slides from WE05 anywhere?  I would love to have come to Austrailia to see you in person but alas budget did not permit.</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-8148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric:

I didn&#039;t know where else to add this comment so I put it here.

I have been listening to your WE05 podcasts with great interest, particularly the Prototyping with XHTML and CSS one.

When gathering to meet with a team to discuss prototypes, do you qualify the participants? What if you had a (partly and unknowingly) colour-blind person or a person with bad tastes in design? This is especially problematic if that person was the CEO and had a strong influence on the outcome. Do not large organizations hire (or have on staff) qualified designers and information architects to assist with the process and ensure that the site is built properly with good design? Many people have had clients that want &quot;X&quot; because it is cool (even though it is a really bad idea) and because they are paying, it&#039;s their way or the highway.

How do you balance input from unqualified persons with input from qualified persons?

Jules]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric:</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know where else to add this comment so I put it here.</p>
<p>I have been listening to your WE05 podcasts with great interest, particularly the Prototyping with XHTML and CSS one.</p>
<p>When gathering to meet with a team to discuss prototypes, do you qualify the participants? What if you had a (partly and unknowingly) colour-blind person or a person with bad tastes in design? This is especially problematic if that person was the CEO and had a strong influence on the outcome. Do not large organizations hire (or have on staff) qualified designers and information architects to assist with the process and ensure that the site is built properly with good design? Many people have had clients that want &#8220;X&#8221; because it is cool (even though it is a really bad idea) and because they are paying, it&#8217;s their way or the highway.</p>
<p>How do you balance input from unqualified persons with input from qualified persons?</p>
<p>Jules</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Buchanan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-8030</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Buchanan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the collective determination to get as much as possible out of the whole experience bordered on fanatic

Oh good, we only bordered on it ;) It was great to have you here and I&#039;m glad you had fun!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the collective determination to get as much as possible out of the whole experience bordered on fanatic</p>
<p>Oh good, we only bordered on it ;) It was great to have you here and I&#8217;m glad you had fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Lachlan Hardy</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-8003</link>
		<dc:creator>Lachlan Hardy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remember you and Lisa comparing alphabets outside the club while we were still waiting for folks to arrive. Maxine and I were captivated. It made me want to learn, to date the only sign I can ever remember is &#039;Toilet&#039;

A week later I got on the tram to work and realised I was surrounded by school kids. I settled in for a noisy trip, before realising that they were hardly making a sound. I was surrounded by students from a school for the deaf. I, and the other passengers not associated with the school, watched in complete wonderment as kids told each other stories and teased each other

There is something special about languages, I think. Thanks for reminding me of one I haven&#039;t spent enough time with]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember you and Lisa comparing alphabets outside the club while we were still waiting for folks to arrive. Maxine and I were captivated. It made me want to learn, to date the only sign I can ever remember is &#8216;Toilet&#8217;</p>
<p>A week later I got on the tram to work and realised I was surrounded by school kids. I settled in for a noisy trip, before realising that they were hardly making a sound. I was surrounded by students from a school for the deaf. I, and the other passengers not associated with the school, watched in complete wonderment as kids told each other stories and teased each other</p>
<p>There is something special about languages, I think. Thanks for reminding me of one I haven&#8217;t spent enough time with</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Asquith</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-7775</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Asquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eric

WE05 was fantastic and a real treat to have you there. I thoroughly enjoyed your presentations and the chance to meet you, albeit briefly. I&#039;ve come back to NZ with a head full of ideas and inspiration.

Although this is probably a little feeble, in signing terms (and in general, come to that!), when I was 11 or 12 some friends and I learned the signing alphabet from my Junior Pears Cyclopaedia and used to have clandestine conversations during class. We thought it was very cool!

Thanks again for being at WE05 and hope to see you down this part of the world again one day.

Cheers
Peter]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric</p>
<p>WE05 was fantastic and a real treat to have you there. I thoroughly enjoyed your presentations and the chance to meet you, albeit briefly. I&#8217;ve come back to NZ with a head full of ideas and inspiration.</p>
<p>Although this is probably a little feeble, in signing terms (and in general, come to that!), when I was 11 or 12 some friends and I learned the signing alphabet from my Junior Pears Cyclopaedia and used to have clandestine conversations during class. We thought it was very cool!</p>
<p>Thanks again for being at WE05 and hope to see you down this part of the world again one day.</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
Peter</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Herrod</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-7772</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Herrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to admit, I never thought it would happen - though I did hope...Imagine meeting someone who not only has a passion for web standards... but sign language as well! And hanging out at &#039;the cross&#039; no less!

Eric I really have to thank you for reminding me how lucky I am to have Auslan as a second language, and for reminding me also of how passionately I feel about the language and the community.

Looking forward to hearing what you think of the book once you&#039;ve read it. And looking forward to signing with Carolyn one day too :)

... Lisa
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit, I never thought it would happen &#8211; though I did hope&#8230;Imagine meeting someone who not only has a passion for web standards&#8230; but sign language as well! And hanging out at &#8216;the cross&#8217; no less!</p>
<p>Eric I really have to thank you for reminding me how lucky I am to have Auslan as a second language, and for reminding me also of how passionately I feel about the language and the community.</p>
<p>Looking forward to hearing what you think of the book once you&#8217;ve read it. And looking forward to signing with Carolyn one day too :)</p>
<p>&#8230; Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-7553</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ron: interesting!  It sounds a bit like the Martha&#039;s Vineyard situation, though there a great many more people were deaf.

John: I haven&#039;t read that one, but it&#039;s going on my reading list.

Jeff: if you&#039;re building a site from scratch, you have to make some educated guesses.  Is this a cutting-edge Ajaxy site?  If so, your supported browsers are going to be recent.  Is it a site for Netscape 4.x tricks and tips?  In that case, things will be different.  I think in those cases, it comes down to setting some levels that feel right, and then pushing your &quot;fully supported&quot; browsers as far back in time as you can, within reason.  That&#039;s a real art, I think.

As for finding a current browser support matrix, I don&#039;t know of anyone who&#039;s published one, but I&#039;m sure there must be some out there somewhere.  Try Googling a few combinations of likely terms and see if anything turns up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron: interesting!  It sounds a bit like the Martha&#8217;s Vineyard situation, though there a great many more people were deaf.</p>
<p>John: I haven&#8217;t read that one, but it&#8217;s going on my reading list.</p>
<p>Jeff: if you&#8217;re building a site from scratch, you have to make some educated guesses.  Is this a cutting-edge Ajaxy site?  If so, your supported browsers are going to be recent.  Is it a site for Netscape 4.x tricks and tips?  In that case, things will be different.  I think in those cases, it comes down to setting some levels that feel right, and then pushing your &#8220;fully supported&#8221; browsers as far back in time as you can, within reason.  That&#8217;s a real art, I think.</p>
<p>As for finding a current browser support matrix, I don&#8217;t know of anyone who&#8217;s published one, but I&#8217;m sure there must be some out there somewhere.  Try Googling a few combinations of likely terms and see if anything turns up.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-7550</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just listened to your podcast on rapid prototyping and I am curious, and I am lost.

I am curious in that I would agree with you that using the server logs is a great way of determining what browsers your site &quot;must&quot; or &quot;should&quot; support, but what if you are building a completely new site from scratch? Is there a process you would recommend for building a browser support profile? 

I am lost however when it comes to finding a browser support matrix or browser support profile do you know where I can find one that supports or lists current browsers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just listened to your podcast on rapid prototyping and I am curious, and I am lost.</p>
<p>I am curious in that I would agree with you that using the server logs is a great way of determining what browsers your site &#8220;must&#8221; or &#8220;should&#8221; support, but what if you are building a completely new site from scratch? Is there a process you would recommend for building a browser support profile? </p>
<p>I am lost however when it comes to finding a browser support matrix or browser support profile do you know where I can find one that supports or lists current browsers?</p>
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		<title>By: john allsopp</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-7549</link>
		<dc:creator>john allsopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eric,

it was  great pleasure having you here, and I think on of the main reasons people paid so much attention is the wonderful quality of you and the other speakers.

We are not exactly spoilt for choice when it comes to conferences like this down under, which is why Peter Maxine Russ and I put together WE in the first place.

Love the idea of a video!

p.s.

I have long been fascintated with signing. Have you read Seeing Voices by Oliver Sacks http://www.oliversacks.com/voices.htm?

Wonderful. 

John
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>it was  great pleasure having you here, and I think on of the main reasons people paid so much attention is the wonderful quality of you and the other speakers.</p>
<p>We are not exactly spoilt for choice when it comes to conferences like this down under, which is why Peter Maxine Russ and I put together WE in the first place.</p>
<p>Love the idea of a video!</p>
<p>p.s.</p>
<p>I have long been fascintated with signing. Have you read Seeing Voices by Oliver Sacks <a href="http://www.oliversacks.com/voices.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.oliversacks.com/voices.htm</a>?</p>
<p>Wonderful. </p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/26/web-essentials-05-wrap-up/#comment-7540</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some 20 years ago I visited the small Columbian/caribean island Isla Providencia. The community back then was about 400 people. On the island  was just one single deaf person. A teen as I recall.
Everyone one on the island communicated with the boy with a sign language they had made up themselves and had expanded on over the years.

It was fascinating, both from the point of view how that got invented as well as how a community like that adapts to a persons needs. I know nothing about signing, but quite a few signs struck me as being &quot;universal&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some 20 years ago I visited the small Columbian/caribean island Isla Providencia. The community back then was about 400 people. On the island  was just one single deaf person. A teen as I recall.<br />
Everyone one on the island communicated with the boy with a sign language they had made up themselves and had expanded on over the years.</p>
<p>It was fascinating, both from the point of view how that got invented as well as how a community like that adapts to a persons needs. I know nothing about signing, but quite a few signs struck me as being &#8220;universal&#8221;.</p>
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