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		<title>By: Kate Jallits</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-321905</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Jallits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, I&#039;m the sister of the first commentor listed here.  What he says is right.  My entire family had to learn ESL at first (English Sign Language), and as I got older and had more exposure to other Deaf youngsters, my ESL changed to ASL.  Needless to say, my family were rather left behind on that aspect.  As for the others who asked if signing would neglect other things.  It wouldn&#039;t.  I signed, AND had speech therapy nearly every day in school plus my mother took me to private speech lessons once a week for nearly 17 years.  Even to this day, only my family and closest hearing friends can decipher what I&#039;m saying if I didn&#039;t sign.  No one else can, and that&#039;s really a sad waste of my parents&#039; money.  Even deaf oralists have a hell of a time with it, disillusioned by their speech therapists&#039; claims of perfected speech.  My vocabulary surpassed my classmates my entire life, from school to school, and that&#039;s not even taking ASL into account.  My parents didn&#039;t believe that because I&#039;m deaf, I was incapable in some way.  Unfortunately, 99.9% of the rest of the world believes otherwise, and this is why deaf people have such a stigma glued on us since the dawn of time.  I have three hearing children, and the 4th is deaf in one ear.  They didn&#039;t speak a valid word till well after one year old because they weren&#039;t in school, and because both their father and I are deaf.  Yeah, I&#039;ve had so-called professionals hacking about how the children are so far behind in development that they needed therapy.  Well... I stuck it to them!  Now, the children have vocabulary surpassing their years, and my eldest daughter is next to an expert in ASL and my oldest son&#039;s nearly there.

The &quot;theory&quot; that signing supresses the spoken language is bull.  Deaf people are deaf, and no amount of technology or medications can improve their speech to even near that of a hearing person nor fix their ears.  

Hearing children with deaf parents learn ASL first, but they also are sponges.  They listen.  They memorize the words they hear.  Problem here is that they KNOW their parents are deaf, so what use is there for them to speak the words they learned?  They merely bide their time until they go to school, or have a couple of kids to hang out often in the neighborhood, then suddenly you have a chatterbox and you wonder where that kid learned so much words from.  Younger hearing children are a bit more difficult.  They&#039;re born to deaf parents, therefore they believe that everyone else is the same.  So they point, tap shoulders, and tug on pants to get attention.  They just need to be taught and reminded that there are many different kinds of people, including the hearing.  

Deaf children - beware of putting them into hearing school where they&#039;re the only deaf student or there&#039;s only one or two others.  That is detrimental to their grades, fellowship practices, and confidence.  It makes them feel like a freak, like they&#039;re certainly not normal.  Put them into schools that actually have an established deaf program, or research into state schools for the deaf.  I&#039;ve been to the Illinois School for the Deaf, and have not regretted it since.

Also, beware of speech therapists who hold down or tie the children&#039;s hands to force them to talk.  Oh yeah, they do still exist nowadays, and I had a nasty run in with one for my oldest son&#039;s speech practices.  She was promptly fired the first day after I walked in on her doing that.  Those kinds of people have the very least consideration for anyone who&#039;s different.  And, for you parents of deaf children, watch out for those evils and disregard anyone saying &quot;your child won&#039;t amount to much&quot;.  Another truckload of bull.

If any of you thinks that signing is detrimental to speech, you&#039;re wrong.  Even die-hard deaf people make sounds and lip movement in accordance to each sign they use.  

Last note before I leave - feel sorry for the deaf oralists.  They can&#039;t even communicate with their fellow deaf people, and when they have deaf children, it&#039;ll be worse.  There&#039;s NO communication BOTH ways with them.  Strangers can&#039;t understand them, and friends have a hard time.  Don&#039;t turn your children into one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;m the sister of the first commentor listed here.  What he says is right.  My entire family had to learn ESL at first (English Sign Language), and as I got older and had more exposure to other Deaf youngsters, my ESL changed to ASL.  Needless to say, my family were rather left behind on that aspect.  As for the others who asked if signing would neglect other things.  It wouldn&#8217;t.  I signed, AND had speech therapy nearly every day in school plus my mother took me to private speech lessons once a week for nearly 17 years.  Even to this day, only my family and closest hearing friends can decipher what I&#8217;m saying if I didn&#8217;t sign.  No one else can, and that&#8217;s really a sad waste of my parents&#8217; money.  Even deaf oralists have a hell of a time with it, disillusioned by their speech therapists&#8217; claims of perfected speech.  My vocabulary surpassed my classmates my entire life, from school to school, and that&#8217;s not even taking ASL into account.  My parents didn&#8217;t believe that because I&#8217;m deaf, I was incapable in some way.  Unfortunately, 99.9% of the rest of the world believes otherwise, and this is why deaf people have such a stigma glued on us since the dawn of time.  I have three hearing children, and the 4th is deaf in one ear.  They didn&#8217;t speak a valid word till well after one year old because they weren&#8217;t in school, and because both their father and I are deaf.  Yeah, I&#8217;ve had so-called professionals hacking about how the children are so far behind in development that they needed therapy.  Well&#8230; I stuck it to them!  Now, the children have vocabulary surpassing their years, and my eldest daughter is next to an expert in ASL and my oldest son&#8217;s nearly there.</p>
<p>The &#8220;theory&#8221; that signing supresses the spoken language is bull.  Deaf people are deaf, and no amount of technology or medications can improve their speech to even near that of a hearing person nor fix their ears.  </p>
<p>Hearing children with deaf parents learn ASL first, but they also are sponges.  They listen.  They memorize the words they hear.  Problem here is that they KNOW their parents are deaf, so what use is there for them to speak the words they learned?  They merely bide their time until they go to school, or have a couple of kids to hang out often in the neighborhood, then suddenly you have a chatterbox and you wonder where that kid learned so much words from.  Younger hearing children are a bit more difficult.  They&#8217;re born to deaf parents, therefore they believe that everyone else is the same.  So they point, tap shoulders, and tug on pants to get attention.  They just need to be taught and reminded that there are many different kinds of people, including the hearing.  </p>
<p>Deaf children &#8211; beware of putting them into hearing school where they&#8217;re the only deaf student or there&#8217;s only one or two others.  That is detrimental to their grades, fellowship practices, and confidence.  It makes them feel like a freak, like they&#8217;re certainly not normal.  Put them into schools that actually have an established deaf program, or research into state schools for the deaf.  I&#8217;ve been to the Illinois School for the Deaf, and have not regretted it since.</p>
<p>Also, beware of speech therapists who hold down or tie the children&#8217;s hands to force them to talk.  Oh yeah, they do still exist nowadays, and I had a nasty run in with one for my oldest son&#8217;s speech practices.  She was promptly fired the first day after I walked in on her doing that.  Those kinds of people have the very least consideration for anyone who&#8217;s different.  And, for you parents of deaf children, watch out for those evils and disregard anyone saying &#8220;your child won&#8217;t amount to much&#8221;.  Another truckload of bull.</p>
<p>If any of you thinks that signing is detrimental to speech, you&#8217;re wrong.  Even die-hard deaf people make sounds and lip movement in accordance to each sign they use.  </p>
<p>Last note before I leave &#8211; feel sorry for the deaf oralists.  They can&#8217;t even communicate with their fellow deaf people, and when they have deaf children, it&#8217;ll be worse.  There&#8217;s NO communication BOTH ways with them.  Strangers can&#8217;t understand them, and friends have a hard time.  Don&#8217;t turn your children into one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy Hester</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-250785</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy Hester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friends children were over 5 years old before they talked, they were never taught in sign language and nor were the parents deaf.  So I guess children develope at a different pace.

My son is hearing and is taught sign language, as myself and my husband are deaf as well as our oldest son.  BSL is the primary communication at home and I have had so called professionals on my back complaining about his lack of speech, as he is 2 1/2 years old, then one day a few weeks later he came out as a chatter box.  He knows how to communicate with us, he knows he is understood and understands others, so why improvise on one method on the basis of using another to suit someone else who does not sign nor interacts with him on a daily basis.

I can appreciate people being concerned due to the lack of speech progress, but once he has mastered the art of grammar in language via signing first, he will come out talking as if there is no tomorrow.  

Children do not sign at the expenses of other things, just as a child with english speaking father and a russian speaking mother.  They adapt to speak both language with ease and suffer nothing for it.

Dorothy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friends children were over 5 years old before they talked, they were never taught in sign language and nor were the parents deaf.  So I guess children develope at a different pace.</p>
<p>My son is hearing and is taught sign language, as myself and my husband are deaf as well as our oldest son.  BSL is the primary communication at home and I have had so called professionals on my back complaining about his lack of speech, as he is 2 1/2 years old, then one day a few weeks later he came out as a chatter box.  He knows how to communicate with us, he knows he is understood and understands others, so why improvise on one method on the basis of using another to suit someone else who does not sign nor interacts with him on a daily basis.</p>
<p>I can appreciate people being concerned due to the lack of speech progress, but once he has mastered the art of grammar in language via signing first, he will come out talking as if there is no tomorrow.  </p>
<p>Children do not sign at the expenses of other things, just as a child with english speaking father and a russian speaking mother.  They adapt to speak both language with ease and suffer nothing for it.</p>
<p>Dorothy</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-215897</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a special education teacher and grandmother of an adorable little 18th month old grandson.  He has been taught some sign language and is using it all the time.  I am sure it has reduced frustration of both his caring parents and himself by his being able to sign that he wants &#039;more&#039;, &#039;milk&#039; etc. However, I am getting concerned that he is approaching 18 months of age and has very few words in speaking vocabulary-maybe four words at this time.  He consistently points to things, signs and and makes a whiny sound like &#039;umgh&#039;  He seems to understand many things, but does not even attempt to use verbal speech when prompted.  I am concerned that his signing is easier and so he does not even attempt to talk.  His mother reads to him and is quiet herself, but she does talk to him.  Is this lack of verbal expression a cause for concern???????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a special education teacher and grandmother of an adorable little 18th month old grandson.  He has been taught some sign language and is using it all the time.  I am sure it has reduced frustration of both his caring parents and himself by his being able to sign that he wants &#8216;more&#8217;, &#8216;milk&#8217; etc. However, I am getting concerned that he is approaching 18 months of age and has very few words in speaking vocabulary-maybe four words at this time.  He consistently points to things, signs and and makes a whiny sound like &#8216;umgh&#8217;  He seems to understand many things, but does not even attempt to use verbal speech when prompted.  I am concerned that his signing is easier and so he does not even attempt to talk.  His mother reads to him and is quiet herself, but she does talk to him.  Is this lack of verbal expression a cause for concern???????</p>
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		<title>By: jessica</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-133712</link>
		<dc:creator>jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Research on kids with autism has actually shown that, rather than delaying verbal behavior, signing faciliates speech. Be sure to pair your hand sign with a spoken one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Research on kids with autism has actually shown that, rather than delaying verbal behavior, signing faciliates speech. Be sure to pair your hand sign with a spoken one.</p>
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		<title>By: JPButler.com - Jason Butler&#8217;s Home on the Web  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Linky Goodness - 11/7/05</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-11672</link>
		<dc:creator>JPButler.com - Jason Butler&#8217;s Home on the Web  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Linky Goodness - 11/7/05</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ks and post them here. That little hack should help my linky goodness timeliness quotient. Teaching Babies Sign Language Eric Meyer talks about the pro&#8217;s and con&#8217;s of  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ks and post them here. That little hack should help my linky goodness timeliness quotient. Teaching Babies Sign Language Eric Meyer talks about the pro&#8217;s and con&#8217;s of  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-8666</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would help to tell you where to find the product!

It&#039;s SignTyme (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.signtyme.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.signtyme.com&lt;/a&gt;).


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would help to tell you where to find the product!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s SignTyme (<a href="http://www.signtyme.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.signtyme.com</a>).</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-8665</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m curious what you would think of this product.  I know the folks who developed it, and one of the hardest things to get is feedback from people who have first-hand parenting experience.  

The product uses lenticular printing (that &#039;plastic&#039; printing technique that when you &#039;tilt&#039; it switches between two images) to show how the signs are executed.

My wife liked the idea of these because they were an alternative to videos (spending time in front of the TV).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious what you would think of this product.  I know the folks who developed it, and one of the hardest things to get is feedback from people who have first-hand parenting experience.  </p>
<p>The product uses lenticular printing (that &#8216;plastic&#8217; printing technique that when you &#8217;tilt&#8217; it switches between two images) to show how the signs are executed.</p>
<p>My wife liked the idea of these because they were an alternative to videos (spending time in front of the TV).</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-8105</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric - I just wanted to say that a very thoughtful reader of yours emailed me to answer/respond to some of my questions and I can&#039;t seem to locate the email sent but I wanted to acknowledge that person (who I assume reads your blog) and thank them for taking the time to be so thorough in their comments to me.  I&#039;m embarrassed that I can&#039;t locate the email, but I did read it and it was very helpful.

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; I just wanted to say that a very thoughtful reader of yours emailed me to answer/respond to some of my questions and I can&#8217;t seem to locate the email sent but I wanted to acknowledge that person (who I assume reads your blog) and thank them for taking the time to be so thorough in their comments to me.  I&#8217;m embarrassed that I can&#8217;t locate the email, but I did read it and it was very helpful.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-7951</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to teach sign language classes to several expectant mothers, and I was later totally amazed at their children&#039;s capacity for sign.  They truly were happier, and it&#039;s so cool to communicate with children that are so young!  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to teach sign language classes to several expectant mothers, and I was later totally amazed at their children&#8217;s capacity for sign.  They truly were happier, and it&#8217;s so cool to communicate with children that are so young!  </p>
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		<title>By: michael chalk</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-7932</link>
		<dc:creator>michael chalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, i usually read your css gems, but this one caught my eye, because The Age (Melbourne) recently ran a piece on this topic, called &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theage.com.au/news/education-news/if-we-could-talk-to-the-toddlers/2005/10/07/1128562998845.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;If we could talk to the toddlers&lt;/a&gt;. (&#039;plug&#039;: A friend has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.babysigntime.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;recently started teaching parents to use an adapted form of Australian Sign&lt;/a&gt; (Auslan) - which sounds like fun. 

i love your no-fuss description of a child saying &#039;hungry&#039; at 12 months! (Always found that a little bit of Auslan helped my teaching English enormously - being able to say something with a gesture, or a facial expression is invaluable.) 

Yes, it&#039;s funny, that assumption that because American and Australian hearing people can understand each other, the respective Deaf communities also can - i remember the worst example of this was when the stage version of &quot;Children of a Lesser God&quot; was performed in American Sign - and the local Deaf community couldn&#039;t understand a word :(

regards, micahel]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, i usually read your css gems, but this one caught my eye, because The Age (Melbourne) recently ran a piece on this topic, called <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/news/education-news/if-we-could-talk-to-the-toddlers/2005/10/07/1128562998845.html" rel="nofollow">If we could talk to the toddlers</a>. (&#8216;plug&#8217;: A friend has <a href="http://www.babysigntime.com/" rel="nofollow">recently started teaching parents to use an adapted form of Australian Sign</a> (Auslan) &#8211; which sounds like fun. </p>
<p>i love your no-fuss description of a child saying &#8216;hungry&#8217; at 12 months! (Always found that a little bit of Auslan helped my teaching English enormously &#8211; being able to say something with a gesture, or a facial expression is invaluable.) </p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s funny, that assumption that because American and Australian hearing people can understand each other, the respective Deaf communities also can &#8211; i remember the worst example of this was when the stage version of &#8220;Children of a Lesser God&#8221; was performed in American Sign &#8211; and the local Deaf community couldn&#8217;t understand a word :(</p>
<p>regards, micahel</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Pennycuff</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-7897</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Pennycuff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Norma and I have used sign language with both our kids.  There&#039;s no control group of course, but I personally belive it&#039;s made quite a difference.  We didn&#039;t follow any particular system and only covered two dozen signs or so, but that seemed to be enough to dodge a lot of tantrums due to a lack of ability to communicate.  The only problem we&#039;ve run into is our son is currently 15 months old and has had such great luck getting what he wants using the single sign for &#039;more&#039; that he has begun to use it completely out of context.  It&#039;s almost like he thinks moving his hands in the &#039;more&#039; sign allows us to read his mind.  I&#039;m sure this is due to our going it alone and not doing any heavy research or following any particular system.  On a side note, my mother in law is a speech pathologist and she thinks it&#039;s great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Norma and I have used sign language with both our kids.  There&#8217;s no control group of course, but I personally belive it&#8217;s made quite a difference.  We didn&#8217;t follow any particular system and only covered two dozen signs or so, but that seemed to be enough to dodge a lot of tantrums due to a lack of ability to communicate.  The only problem we&#8217;ve run into is our son is currently 15 months old and has had such great luck getting what he wants using the single sign for &#8216;more&#8217; that he has begun to use it completely out of context.  It&#8217;s almost like he thinks moving his hands in the &#8216;more&#8217; sign allows us to read his mind.  I&#8217;m sure this is due to our going it alone and not doing any heavy research or following any particular system.  On a side note, my mother in law is a speech pathologist and she thinks it&#8217;s great.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rosalion</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-7768</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rosalion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laurens,

As far as I know, almost every country has their own sign language - even if it is very similar to the sign language of another country. (Auslan, for instance, is based on BSL, or British Sign Language, while ASL comes from the French Sign Language (FSL, or LSF). I belive Thai sign language is also similar to ASL/LSF).

Anyway, my point is, that you&#039;ll probably find the Deaf community in most countries will have information and resources for signing with your baby in your own local sign language. VicDeaf (www.vicdeaf.com.au) is one example in Australia - they run baby sign classes in Auslan (AUstralian Sign LANguage). Have a look into it - I can&#039;t imagine you&#039;d be disappointed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurens,</p>
<p>As far as I know, almost every country has their own sign language &#8211; even if it is very similar to the sign language of another country. (Auslan, for instance, is based on BSL, or British Sign Language, while ASL comes from the French Sign Language (FSL, or LSF). I belive Thai sign language is also similar to ASL/LSF).</p>
<p>Anyway, my point is, that you&#8217;ll probably find the Deaf community in most countries will have information and resources for signing with your baby in your own local sign language. VicDeaf (www.vicdeaf.com.au) is one example in Australia &#8211; they run baby sign classes in Auslan (AUstralian Sign LANguage). Have a look into it &#8211; I can&#8217;t imagine you&#8217;d be disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric - I&#039;m old school (that is, my kids were born before this program took hold).  I think I understand the goal: the idea is that kids have ideas in their heads that they can&#039;t audibly articulate and the signing lets them convey that idea to you, such as, &quot;hungry.&quot;  Right?

And there seems to be no connection between signing and delaying audible, verbal speech?

I can see where it would be nice to not have to struggle with saying, &quot;Honey, I&#039;m so sorry - I have no idea what you want&quot; when a kid is upset and in need.

But, being old school, and a social worker, and a sociologist, I have to really think about this.  My kids all spoke early - before one year old.  And even at age 5 and age 8 (my oldest is almost 12), there are still times when those two younger ones can&#039;t express themselves well enough to tell me what they really want to.  Signing would serve no purpose at that point.

I&#039;ve not read the literature on this development, I&#039;ve only heard about it.  I&#039;m not skeptical, I&#039;d like to know more.  Where does it get the child, where does it get the family?  And what, if anything, is given up by using the tool?

You don&#039;t have to answer - almost more rhetorical.  The best part: you obviously have a deep relationship with your wife and daughter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric &#8211; I&#8217;m old school (that is, my kids were born before this program took hold).  I think I understand the goal: the idea is that kids have ideas in their heads that they can&#8217;t audibly articulate and the signing lets them convey that idea to you, such as, &#8220;hungry.&#8221;  Right?</p>
<p>And there seems to be no connection between signing and delaying audible, verbal speech?</p>
<p>I can see where it would be nice to not have to struggle with saying, &#8220;Honey, I&#8217;m so sorry &#8211; I have no idea what you want&#8221; when a kid is upset and in need.</p>
<p>But, being old school, and a social worker, and a sociologist, I have to really think about this.  My kids all spoke early &#8211; before one year old.  And even at age 5 and age 8 (my oldest is almost 12), there are still times when those two younger ones can&#8217;t express themselves well enough to tell me what they really want to.  Signing would serve no purpose at that point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not read the literature on this development, I&#8217;ve only heard about it.  I&#8217;m not skeptical, I&#8217;d like to know more.  Where does it get the child, where does it get the family?  And what, if anything, is given up by using the tool?</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to answer &#8211; almost more rhetorical.  The best part: you obviously have a deep relationship with your wife and daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurens Holst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurens Holst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder what the possibilities are of learning sign language to children in non-English countries... Are those videos you mentioned fit for that?

~Grauw]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the possibilities are of learning sign language to children in non-English countries&#8230; Are those videos you mentioned fit for that?</p>
<p>~Grauw</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rosalion</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/27/signing-up/#comment-7689</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rosalion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric,

Very interesting! Last thing I would have expected to read on your blog. I have an interest in signing since I started learning Auslan (Australian Sign Language) at high school, and have since made many Deaf friends.

I&#039;d have to agree with your desision to use ASL over simplified/made up &quot;Baby Signs&quot; - it&#039;s one thing the Deaf community here seems to agree with, too. If you&#039;re going to teach your child to sign, you might as well use a real language! Your justification makes sense, too (&quot;The child may not get every sign exactly, but they&quot;ll get close and we&quot;ll know what they mean.&quot;).

Good work, keep it up, and keep us posted on how it all goes!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,</p>
<p>Very interesting! Last thing I would have expected to read on your blog. I have an interest in signing since I started learning Auslan (Australian Sign Language) at high school, and have since made many Deaf friends.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with your desision to use ASL over simplified/made up &#8220;Baby Signs&#8221; &#8211; it&#8217;s one thing the Deaf community here seems to agree with, too. If you&#8217;re going to teach your child to sign, you might as well use a real language! Your justification makes sense, too (&#8220;The child may not get every sign exactly, but they&#8221;ll get close and we&#8221;ll know what they mean.&#8221;).</p>
<p>Good work, keep it up, and keep us posted on how it all goes!</p>
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