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		<title>By: Matěj Cepl</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-473559</link>
		<dc:creator>Matěj Cepl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You said in comment 7 (that&#039;s Mon 19 Dec 2005):
&gt; The theme isn&quot;t quite ready for release, but when it is, I&quot;ll certainly be happy to make it available.

Are they ready now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You said in comment 7 (that&#8217;s Mon 19 Dec 2005):<br />
&gt; The theme isn&#8221;t quite ready for release, but when it is, I&#8221;ll certainly be happy to make it available.</p>
<p>Are they ready now?</p>
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		<title>By: Webkrauts &#187; JavaScript jenseits des Browsers</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-38566</link>
		<dc:creator>Webkrauts &#187; JavaScript jenseits des Browsers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Es ist immer wieder interessant zu beobachten, wenn Webstandards in einer Umgebung außerhalb des Browsers verwendet werden. Wussten Sie zum Beispiel, dass das Aussehen des Chat-Programms Adium (für Mac OS X, Anm. des Übersetzers) mit CSS angepasst werden kann? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Es ist immer wieder interessant zu beobachten, wenn Webstandards in einer Umgebung außerhalb des Browsers verwendet werden. Wussten Sie zum Beispiel, dass das Aussehen des Chat-Programms Adium (für Mac OS X, Anm. des Übersetzers) mit CSS angepasst werden kann? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JavaScript beyond the browser - The Web Standards Project</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-37680</link>
		<dc:creator>JavaScript beyond the browser - The Web Standards Project</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] It&#8217;s always interesting to see Web Standards used in a setting outside the browser. Did you know, for instance, that the chat client Adium can be skinned using CSS? [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It&#8217;s always interesting to see Web Standards used in a setting outside the browser. Did you know, for instance, that the chat client Adium can be skinned using CSS? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: vishal</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-37651</link>
		<dc:creator>vishal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello

I am having difficulty understanding the predeliction towards Adium.
In my opinion, its just brouhaha as 

1] you still cannot do voice chat.
So although i have added my Google talk account, I am just able to use it as a regular IM. no voice chat at all.

2] ability to go stealth mode (like in yahoo) for particular contacts.

Barring these two, what can i say.

I would really really love to hear comments. Eric..please.

thank you]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello</p>
<p>I am having difficulty understanding the predeliction towards Adium.<br />
In my opinion, its just brouhaha as </p>
<p>1] you still cannot do voice chat.<br />
So although i have added my Google talk account, I am just able to use it as a regular IM. no voice chat at all.</p>
<p>2] ability to go stealth mode (like in yahoo) for particular contacts.</p>
<p>Barring these two, what can i say.</p>
<p>I would really really love to hear comments. Eric..please.</p>
<p>thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Ramon</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-12165</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey was good i read a little bit of wat u wrote n i wanna let u kno dat dats all cool wat u tryin to show people but i wanna c how cold u chat so hit me up in my email i guess n give me ur aol screen name ok hope to talk to ya iight]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey was good i read a little bit of wat u wrote n i wanna let u kno dat dats all cool wat u tryin to show people but i wanna c how cold u chat so hit me up in my email i guess n give me ur aol screen name ok hope to talk to ya iight</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-11250</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 12:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, you&#039;re a true master of CSS! I&#039;d love to say a &#039;well done&#039; to you. Adium is nowadays excellent, why don&#039;t you help the devs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, you&#8217;re a true master of CSS! I&#8217;d love to say a &#8216;well done&#8217; to you. Adium is nowadays excellent, why don&#8217;t you help the devs?</p>
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		<title>By: alexking.org: Blog &#62; Around the web</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-11160</link>
		<dc:creator>alexking.org: Blog &#62; Around the web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2005 06:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 	The Fishbowl: Wikipedia vs Britannica. Apples vs Oranges. 	ongoing - Adium is the Future 	Eric&#8217;s Archived Thoughts: Adium: Chatting With Style [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 	The Fishbowl: Wikipedia vs Britannica. Apples vs Oranges. 	ongoing &#8211; Adium is the Future 	Eric&#8217;s Archived Thoughts: Adium: Chatting With Style [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-10988</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 10:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm, I was just thinking later that night, what if you could create an hCal of your chat logs, with integrated hCards? So you&#039;ve your hIM nested in some hCal, with hCard-attributes for who&#039;s talking? Or um, something? :) It&#039;d be interesting to view my chat logs through a calendar interface ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I was just thinking later that night, what if you could create an hCal of your chat logs, with integrated hCards? So you&#8217;ve your hIM nested in some hCal, with hCard-attributes for who&#8217;s talking? Or um, something? :) It&#8217;d be interesting to view my chat logs through a calendar interface &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-10922</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[with a microformat you are of course missing a trick if you don&#039;t call it hIM ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with a microformat you are of course missing a trick if you don&#8217;t call it hIM ;)</p>
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		<title>By: James Sumners</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-10920</link>
		<dc:creator>James Sumners</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the obligatory reference guide for those having difficulty finding it: &lt;a href=&quot;http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/CreatingMessageStyles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/CreatingMessageStyles&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the obligatory reference guide for those having difficulty finding it: <a href="http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/CreatingMessageStyles" rel="nofollow">http://trac.adiumx.com/wiki/CreatingMessageStyles</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 13:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unsanity has an application to manage logs of adium and ichat : http://www.unsanity.com/ctm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unsanity has an application to manage logs of adium and ichat : <a href="http://www.unsanity.com/ctm" rel="nofollow">http://www.unsanity.com/ctm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-10883</link>
		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m finding XHTML, CSS and JS are everywhere these days. From XULRunner (Mozilla/XUL for your desktop app) to Adium&#039;s CSS formatting, which I stumbled on a month or two ago myself, while looking at different ways to present logs. And imagine using RubyOnRails locally for your HTML/CSS/JS output? Now that&#039;s powerful. 

They got it wrong in 1999. It&#039;s not about your desktop on the web. It&#039;s about the web, on your desktop. Literally ;)

Anyway, I&#039;m so excited about the micro-format idea for logs. And while chats and conversations could be used for it, I think making it more generic for &quot;logging&quot; is even more useful. Especially for gaming logs, which I&#039;ve been puzzling over to display semantically, but haven&#039;t yet found that &quot;perfect&quot; solution. 

The problem is displaying so much information about what&#039;s going on in-game, along with highlighting what people say. Either way, hChat would fit in here nicely, but expanding it a bit to handle more generic &quot;actions&quot;, like /me in IRC or killing someone in a game is important too. Or what were you thinking of doing for status changes?

Now I&#039;m imagining an application that parses hLogs and compares what people are doing at the same time ... using CSS vertical bar charts for a calendar-style display? 

Hmmm, fun posibilities here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m finding XHTML, CSS and JS are everywhere these days. From XULRunner (Mozilla/XUL for your desktop app) to Adium&#8217;s CSS formatting, which I stumbled on a month or two ago myself, while looking at different ways to present logs. And imagine using RubyOnRails locally for your HTML/CSS/JS output? Now that&#8217;s powerful. </p>
<p>They got it wrong in 1999. It&#8217;s not about your desktop on the web. It&#8217;s about the web, on your desktop. Literally ;)</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m so excited about the micro-format idea for logs. And while chats and conversations could be used for it, I think making it more generic for &#8220;logging&#8221; is even more useful. Especially for gaming logs, which I&#8217;ve been puzzling over to display semantically, but haven&#8217;t yet found that &#8220;perfect&#8221; solution. </p>
<p>The problem is displaying so much information about what&#8217;s going on in-game, along with highlighting what people say. Either way, hChat would fit in here nicely, but expanding it a bit to handle more generic &#8220;actions&#8221;, like /me in IRC or killing someone in a game is important too. Or what were you thinking of doing for status changes?</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m imagining an application that parses hLogs and compares what people are doing at the same time &#8230; using CSS vertical bar charts for a calendar-style display? </p>
<p>Hmmm, fun posibilities here.</p>
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		<title>By: 90% Crud</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-10844</link>
		<dc:creator>90% Crud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;OS X?  Adium.&lt;/strong&gt;

On OS X? Using iChat? Time to switch to Adium. I tried Adium maybe a couple years ago and was underwhelmed, so when I started hearing people talk about it I figured that it wasn&#039;t anything worth checking out. Eventually...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>OS X?  Adium.</strong></p>
<p>On OS X? Using iChat? Time to switch to Adium. I tried Adium maybe a couple years ago and was underwhelmed, so when I started hearing people talk about it I figured that it wasn&#8217;t anything worth checking out. Eventually&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Smith</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-10825</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 05:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It took a bit to find the files to edit, so I thought it might be helpful for other less savvy users to post the method for getting to the files.

Go to the Applications folder then ctrl-click on Adium.app and choose &quot;Show Package Contents&quot;

Contents &gt; Resources &gt; Message Styles

Duplicate an existing message style then ctrl-click on that new style and choose &quot;Show Package Contents&quot;

Contents &gt; Resources

Now you are in the directory with the files to edit.

Hope this speeds you on your way to perfectly styled chatting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took a bit to find the files to edit, so I thought it might be helpful for other less savvy users to post the method for getting to the files.</p>
<p>Go to the Applications folder then ctrl-click on Adium.app and choose &#8220;Show Package Contents&#8221;</p>
<p>Contents &gt; Resources &gt; Message Styles</p>
<p>Duplicate an existing message style then ctrl-click on that new style and choose &#8220;Show Package Contents&#8221;</p>
<p>Contents &gt; Resources</p>
<p>Now you are in the directory with the files to edit.</p>
<p>Hope this speeds you on your way to perfectly styled chatting.</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle Pagaltzis</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/12/19/adium-chatting-with-style/#comment-10813</link>
		<dc:creator>Aristotle Pagaltzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 00:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10790&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eric&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I worry a bit about more capable future clients, ones that might allow whole paragraphs and lists and such to be exchanged.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good point; having such stuff would be very cool, in fact. I suppose it only requires that clients drop in a &lt;code&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/code&gt; for now in order to use &lt;code&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/code&gt; across the board. Handling unstyled presentation gracefully is difficult though... hrm. I guess the hypothetical hConversation should just allow both elements? Smarter software could then pick one depending on circumstances.

&lt;blockquote&gt;In any case, there certainly wouldn&quot;t be such a thing in hChat/hConversation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Okay.

&lt;blockquote&gt;With an extra div wrapped around the contents of the list item, you could do what you&quot;re after&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, just setting &lt;code&gt;display:table-cell&lt;/code&gt; on the &lt;code&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;&lt;q&gt;&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;white-space:nowrap&lt;/code&gt; on the &lt;code&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/code&gt; is enough. Per &lt;abbr&gt;CSS&lt;/abbr&gt;, the browser will create an anonymous table within the &lt;code&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;/code&gt; to hold the items, which gets me the desired effect.

I&quot;m coming at this from a “publishable markup” angle though, so I was trying to think of a way to avoid &lt;code&gt;display:table-cell&lt;/code&gt;, since support for it is still spotty. I guess there isn&quot;t. Oh well; I&quot;ll live.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-10790" rel="nofollow">Eric</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I worry a bit about more capable future clients, ones that might allow whole paragraphs and lists and such to be exchanged.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good point; having such stuff would be very cool, in fact. I suppose it only requires that clients drop in a <code>&lt;p&gt;</code> for now in order to use <code>&lt;blockquote&gt;</code> across the board. Handling unstyled presentation gracefully is difficult though&#8230; hrm. I guess the hypothetical hConversation should just allow both elements? Smarter software could then pick one depending on circumstances.</p>
<blockquote><p>In any case, there certainly wouldn&#8221;t be such a thing in hChat/hConversation.</p></blockquote>
<p>Okay.</p>
<blockquote><p>With an extra div wrapped around the contents of the list item, you could do what you&#8221;re after</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, just setting <code>display:table-cell</code> on the <code>&lt;span&gt;</code> and <code>&lt;q&gt;</code> and <code>white-space:nowrap</code> on the <code>&lt;span&gt;</code> is enough. Per <abbr>CSS</abbr>, the browser will create an anonymous table within the <code>&lt;li&gt;</code> to hold the items, which gets me the desired effect.</p>
<p>I&#8221;m coming at this from a “publishable markup” angle though, so I was trying to think of a way to avoid <code>display:table-cell</code>, since support for it is still spotty. I guess there isn&#8221;t. Oh well; I&#8221;ll live.</p>
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