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		<title>By: Tobias Pfeiffer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-63942</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobias Pfeiffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!

I&#039;m running Konqueror 3.5.5 on Kubuntu Linux and neither v1.1 nor v1.2a2 run fine with that. For 1.1 to work, you have to enable &quot;JavaScript Debugging&quot; and &quot;Report JavaScript errors&quot; (Konqueror bug?), or you will only see a white page.
With v1.2a2, you see a long, scrollable page, with the two options from above disabled. If you enable them, you really get errors (at line 601 and 749):
&quot;TypeError: Attempted to access &#039;text&#039; property on undefined object (result of expression jl.options[jl.selectedIndex].text)&quot;
Hope someone can fix this!

bye
tgp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m running Konqueror 3.5.5 on Kubuntu Linux and neither v1.1 nor v1.2a2 run fine with that. For 1.1 to work, you have to enable &#8220;JavaScript Debugging&#8221; and &#8220;Report JavaScript errors&#8221; (Konqueror bug?), or you will only see a white page.<br />
With v1.2a2, you see a long, scrollable page, with the two options from above disabled. If you enable them, you really get errors (at line 601 and 749):<br />
&#8220;TypeError: Attempted to access &#8216;text&#8217; property on undefined object (result of expression jl.options[jl.selectedIndex].text)&#8221;<br />
Hope someone can fix this!</p>
<p>bye<br />
tgp.</p>
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		<title>By: Davide Bocci in Un Passo al Giorno</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-14870</link>
		<dc:creator>Davide Bocci in Un Passo al Giorno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;S5 1.2 alpha 1 is now available&lt;/strong&gt;

Disponibile la nuova versione, in alpha, del sistema di presentazioni on-line basato su XHTML, CSS e Microformati. Una realizzazione Eric Meyer.

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>S5 1.2 alpha 1 is now available</strong></p>
<p>Disponibile la nuova versione, in alpha, del sistema di presentazioni on-line basato su XHTML, CSS e Microformati. Una realizzazione Eric Meyer.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Davide Bocci in Un Passo al Giorno</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-14871</link>
		<dc:creator>Davide Bocci in Un Passo al Giorno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;S5 1.2 alpha 1 is now available&lt;/strong&gt;

Disponibile la nuova versione, in alpha, del sistema di presentazioni on-line basato su XHTML, CSS e Microformati. Una realizzazione Eric Meyer.

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>S5 1.2 alpha 1 is now available</strong></p>
<p>Disponibile la nuova versione, in alpha, del sistema di presentazioni on-line basato su XHTML, CSS e Microformati. Una realizzazione Eric Meyer.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Davide Bocci in Un Passo al Giorno</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-14865</link>
		<dc:creator>Davide Bocci in Un Passo al Giorno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;S5 1.2 alpha 1 is now available&lt;/strong&gt;

Disponibile la nuova versione, in alpha, del sistema di presentazioni on-line basato su XHTML, CSS e Microformati. Una realizzazione Eric Meyer.

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>S5 1.2 alpha 1 is now available</strong></p>
<p>Disponibile la nuova versione, in alpha, del sistema di presentazioni on-line basato su XHTML, CSS e Microformati. Una realizzazione Eric Meyer.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: EA</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12590</link>
		<dc:creator>EA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 18:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly,

window.document.getElementById(&quot;[elementId]&quot;).isDOM = 1;

then,

window.document.getElementById(&quot;[elementId]&quot;).innerHTML = textContent;

Found it on a german website. Good thing javascript is in english. But hey, FF is only trying to be DOM complaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly,</p>
<p>window.document.getElementById(&#8220;[elementId]&#8220;).isDOM = 1;</p>
<p>then,</p>
<p>window.document.getElementById(&#8220;[elementId]&#8220;).innerHTML = textContent;</p>
<p>Found it on a german website. Good thing javascript is in english. But hey, FF is only trying to be DOM complaint.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12455</link>
		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 22:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that this link is sort of an other example that was inspired by this effort. 

http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/11/13/proudly-presenting-ajax-s/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that this link is sort of an other example that was inspired by this effort. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/11/13/proudly-presenting-ajax-s/" rel="nofollow">http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/11/13/proudly-presenting-ajax-s/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bell</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12236</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 15:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t tried it, but one of the OS X ports of Qemu might work better than a virtual machine in a virtual machine.

http://www.kberg.ch/q/
http://cordney.com/QemuX/

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t tried it, but one of the OS X ports of Qemu might work better than a virtual machine in a virtual machine.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.kberg.ch/q/" rel="nofollow">http://www.kberg.ch/q/</a><br />
<a href="http://cordney.com/QemuX/" rel="nofollow">http://cordney.com/QemuX/</a></p>
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		<title>By: S5easy</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12196</link>
		<dc:creator>S5easy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woring preview of S5 &lt;b&gt;Version 1.2a1&lt;/b&gt;
OSF Version: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.s5easy.com/9/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.s5easy.com/9/&lt;/a&gt;
OXOX Version: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.s5easy.com/22/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.s5easy.com/22/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woring preview of S5 <b>Version 1.2a1</b><br />
OSF Version: <a href="http://www.s5easy.com/9/" rel="nofollow">http://www.s5easy.com/9/</a><br />
OXOX Version: <a href="http://www.s5easy.com/22/" rel="nofollow">http://www.s5easy.com/22/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12136</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh that link died for some reason, https://shipit.ubuntu.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh that link died for some reason, <a href="https://shipit.ubuntu.com/" rel="nofollow">https://shipit.ubuntu.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12135</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An easier way to access Konq just send yourself some free &lt;a&gt;Ubuntu CDs&lt;/a&gt;, each CD is infact two, with one being normal Install and one Live (shove it in and it boots up into Linux) thingys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An easier way to access Konq just send yourself some free <a>Ubuntu CDs</a>, each CD is infact two, with one being normal Install and one Live (shove it in and it boots up into Linux) thingys.</p>
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		<title>By: Priit Pirita</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12110</link>
		<dc:creator>Priit Pirita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The second one seems to be Tiger only, because Panther in my office Mac behaves correctly as I can confirm now...

But, if somebody can confirm this bug on Safari@Tiger: use selectbox to navigate and press for example spacebar right after. What happens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The second one seems to be Tiger only, because Panther in my office Mac behaves correctly as I can confirm now&#8230;</p>
<p>But, if somebody can confirm this bug on Safari@Tiger: use selectbox to navigate and press for example spacebar right after. What happens?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Szymanski</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12107</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Szymanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. Now I&#039;ve gone and done it: posting before checking in more depth. And this is definitely strange.

The first trip to the slide show, nothing works, as I mentioned above. BUT. Do a Back arrow, then Forward again and the show begins to work. In the older version, slides will change with the mouse click. In your newest version, mouse click don&#039;t work in the page, but they do on the &gt;&gt; and </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. Now I&#8217;ve gone and done it: posting before checking in more depth. And this is definitely strange.</p>
<p>The first trip to the slide show, nothing works, as I mentioned above. BUT. Do a Back arrow, then Forward again and the show begins to work. In the older version, slides will change with the mouse click. In your newest version, mouse click don&#8217;t work in the page, but they do on the &gt;&gt; and</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Szymanski</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12106</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Szymanski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 03:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric,
I have SuSE 10, and yesterday updated to KDE 3.5. I am sorry to report that S5 does not run properly in Konqueror. The XHTML display is one long continuous page, although you can go through the presentation using the space bar control, it does not give you the individual slide look. It&#039;s more like a long roll of paper towels where the sheets have not been torn off, and the eye candy is missing (no styling).

I have used the earlier examples in Windows successfully, and it does work in Firefox on Linux, but Konqueror... sorry.

~Regards,
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
I have SuSE 10, and yesterday updated to KDE 3.5. I am sorry to report that S5 does not run properly in Konqueror. The XHTML display is one long continuous page, although you can go through the presentation using the space bar control, it does not give you the individual slide look. It&#8217;s more like a long roll of paper towels where the sheets have not been torn off, and the eye candy is missing (no styling).</p>
<p>I have used the earlier examples in Windows successfully, and it does work in Firefox on Linux, but Konqueror&#8230; sorry.</p>
<p>~Regards,<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12098</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12073&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Faruk&lt;/a&gt;: I look forward to seeing what you come up with, but if FACE (or other) effects don&#039;t make it into 1.2, there&#039;s always 1.3 or some other future version.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12076&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Peter&lt;/a&gt;: that&#039;s not a bug in S5 so much as just an artifact of how I wrote the CSS for the theme, and it honestly doesn&#039;t bother me.  I don&#039;t think of the 2x2 grid as being important.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12077&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Laurens&lt;/a&gt;: the reported problems might have been post 1.0, or heck, they may not exist.  Anyone have an S5 deck containing SVG or MathML that does run into trouble, so the problems can be analyzed?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12081&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Thomas&lt;/a&gt;: done.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12084&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Priit&lt;/a&gt;: I fixed the first bug in my local copy; thanks!  I either don&#039;t understand the second bug you report, or else I don&#039;t suffer from it in my copy of Safari; either way I don&#039;t have a fix for it.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12096&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;: I may or may not be able to get that to work, since I&#039;d have to run KDE on Suse 10 in a VMPlayer running on a Win2K VirtualPC image running on my Mac.  Still, if I get the time, I&#039;ll take a crack at it.  (Although---2.5GB image!?  Crikey!  My poor HD!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12073" rel="nofollow">Faruk</a>: I look forward to seeing what you come up with, but if FACE (or other) effects don&#8217;t make it into 1.2, there&#8217;s always 1.3 or some other future version.</p>
<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12076" rel="nofollow">Peter</a>: that&#8217;s not a bug in S5 so much as just an artifact of how I wrote the CSS for the theme, and it honestly doesn&#8217;t bother me.  I don&#8217;t think of the 2&#215;2 grid as being important.</p>
<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12077" rel="nofollow">Laurens</a>: the reported problems might have been post 1.0, or heck, they may not exist.  Anyone have an S5 deck containing SVG or MathML that does run into trouble, so the problems can be analyzed?</p>
<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12081" rel="nofollow">Thomas</a>: done.</p>
<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12084" rel="nofollow">Priit</a>: I fixed the first bug in my local copy; thanks!  I either don&#8217;t understand the second bug you report, or else I don&#8217;t suffer from it in my copy of Safari; either way I don&#8217;t have a fix for it.</p>
<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12096" rel="nofollow">Robert</a>: I may or may not be able to get that to work, since I&#8217;d have to run KDE on Suse 10 in a VMPlayer running on a Win2K VirtualPC image running on my Mac.  Still, if I get the time, I&#8217;ll take a crack at it.  (Although&#8212;2.5GB image!?  Crikey!  My poor HD!)</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bell</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/#comment-12096</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 22:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want access to Konquerer (and more), you can run Suse 10 with KDE in a VMware Player virtual machine.

http://www.vmware.com/products/player/
http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want access to Konquerer (and more), you can run Suse 10 with KDE in a VMware Player virtual machine.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.vmware.com/products/player/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vmware.com/products/player/</a><br />
<a href="http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/" rel="nofollow">http://developer.kde.org/~binner/vmware/</a></p>
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<h3><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/01/09/s5-12a1/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: S5 1.2a1">S5 1.2a1</a></h3>
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<li class="date">Mon 9 Jan 2006</li>
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It&#8217;s back: S5 1.2 alpha 1 is now available (<a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/v/1.2/dev/v12a1.zip">177 KB Zip archive</a>), and you can play with either the <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/testbed/index-osf.html"><acronym title="OperaShow Format">OSF</acronym></a> or <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/testbed/index-xoxo.html"><acronym title="Extensible Open XHTML Outlines">XOXO</acronym></a> versions of the latest development version if you just want to preview it online.  In addition, I&#8217;ve set up a contact address specifically for S5 questions and feedback.  You can find a link to this new address on the <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/">main S5 page</a>.
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New to S5 1.2:
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The progress indicator (e.g., 6/10) is now a permalink to the currently-displayed slide.  This will require an update to any S5 1.1-era themes, but it&#8217;s a minimal thing.  Granted, the current alpha doesn&#8217;t have updated styles to handle the presence of a link.  I&#8217;ll get to it.
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Bug fixes intended to make it more Konqueror-friendly.  <strong>I do not know if Konqueror will run S5 1.2.  I do not have access to Konqueror.</strong>  The fixes I included were sent to me by helpful S5 users, and may or may not have resolved all problems.  If there are still bugs in S5 when displayed in Konqueror, you are invited to submit bug fixes in the comments, or via the contact address I mentioned before.  Bug reports should be done in the comments, where other Konqueror users can see them, and <em>not</em> via the contact address.
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Vastly improved integration with <a href="http://opera.com/">Opera</a>.  As chronicled in &#8220;<a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/">Opera and S5 1.1</a>&#8220;, S5 was originally intended to be a cross-browser emulation of <a href="http://my.opera.com/community/dev/operashow/">OperaShow</a>.  As time went on and features were added, the two diverged.  Thanks to efforts by <a href="http://www.hallvord.com/">Hallvord Steen</a>, Opera should now be shut out of a lot less of S5 than it was.  In fact, it may well be feature-complete as compared to S5 1.1, and will get most of S5 1.2&#8217;s features.  With one possible exception&#8230;
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A &#8220;notes&#8221; window capability.  The notes view is largely the work of <a href="http://shauninman.com/" rel="acquaintance colleague met">Shaun Inman</a>, who wrote me last week to say, &#8220;Hey, I did this.  Interested?&#8221;  Was I ever!  I&#8217;d been meaning to do it ever since I saw the notes view in <a href="http://www.apple.com/iwork/keynote/">Keynote</a>, but Shaun got there first, clever wolf that he is.
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<img src="http://meyerweb.com/pix/2006/s5notes.png" alt="" title="It looks a lot better in person, as it were" class="pic" />
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To see this in action, in either the <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/testbed/index-osf.html">OSF</a> or <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/testbed/index-xoxo.html">XOXO</a> versions, hit &#8220;n&#8221;, or call up the controls and click on the three-line icon on the left.  A new &#8220;notes&#8221; window will open, looking very much like the &#8220;notes&#8221; view in Keynote.  This window displays whatever notes the author has created for the current and next slides; these are done by placing content in an element with a class of <code>notes</code>, pretty much exactly like the <code>handout</code> feature from earlier versions of S5.  The notes window also includes timers showing the time elapsed since the presentation was opened and the time elapsed since the current slide was loaded.  There&#8217;s also a pauseable countdown timer for those who prefer to keep track of time that way.  (I added the countdown timer.  Yay me!)
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The general idea is that you load up your presentation, open the notes window, and put the presentation up on the projector while keep the notes window on your presentation machine.  (Which is of course only possible if you turn off video mirroring.)  As you move through the slide show, you can see notes to yourself and keep track of time so you don&#8217;t run over.  Keen.  I don&#8217;t know how much I personally will use the notes, but I&#8217;m all over the timers like they were a stack of pancakes and I were Mrs. Butterworth.
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At the moment, the JavaScript that opens the notes window is minimal, so the notes window is fairly chromeless and not resizeable in IE/Win.  It&#8217;s also a bit rough in terms of some of its layout, as befits the alpha status.  I&#8217;m also considering adding a keyboard command for &#8220;fullscreen&#8221;, which would maximize all open S5 windows to fill the screen they&#8217;re currently occupying, and possibly also strip away the browser chrome.  I did a few experiments along those lines, but wasn&#8217;t satisfied with the results, so it didn&#8217;t get into this release.
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On a related note, I&#8217;m not sure that notes can be made to use with Opera so long as S5 relies on OperaShow, because OperaShow by its very nature makes all browser windows fullscreen.  If there&#8217;s a way to get OperaShow to put one window on one monitor, and a second on a second monitor, then that would be the answer.  If not, I&#8217;m not sure what to do short of abandoning OperaShow usage entirely, which seems strange and wrong.  But we&#8217;ll see.  If nothing else, we can verify that everything in S5 besides the notes feature works in Opera, and push those changes into an S5 1.1.1 release.
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One known problem is that when Firefox displays an S5 show using the <code>text/xml</code> or <code>text/xhtml+xml</code> MIME types, which is necessary for slide shows that incorporate things like <a href="http://w3.org/Math/">MathML</a> and <a href="http://w3.org/Graphics/SVG/">SVG</a>, things break because <code>innerHTML</code> ceases to be supported.  I have a proposed fix submitted by an S5 user, but did not get it into 1.2a1.  I plan to correct this before reaching the first beta release.
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A number of people have asked for a merging of effects libraries like <a href="http://script.aculo.us/">Script.aculo.us</a> and <a href="http://kurafire.net/projects/face">FACE</a>, and there have even been scattered implementations of same.  It&#8217;s definitely tempting.  I&#8217;m not at all confident that this will happen for 1.2, though, mostly because I don&#8217;t understand enough programming to make the connections.  I&#8217;m also not sure how many of these I could pile into the code before the whole thing came crashing down.  I have hopes that we&#8217;ll be able to work out a &#8220;best practices&#8221; way to add such capabilities to <em>any</em> S5 presentation file, and let each author add them or not as they see fit.
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So there you go.  Have at it!
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