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	<title>Comments on: W3C Change: Introduction</title>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/14/w3c-change-introduction/#comment-55268</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 03:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you Asbjørn Ulsberg. The &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-50676&quot; title=&quot;Comment 3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comment on Microsoft&lt;/a&gt; was a little hasty and not thoroughly thought out, in my own humble opinion. Simply removing Microsoft&#039;s input from W3C would set us back some 3-4 years in web standards. IE would go back to proprietary technology and we (as developers) would be left all alone in this mess. Let us read what Mr. Meyers has to say on the subject before saying anything we&#039;ll regret. :) Looking forward to a little extra time off to read these. Thanks in advance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Asbjørn Ulsberg. The <a href="#comment-50676" title="Comment 3" rel="nofollow">comment on Microsoft</a> was a little hasty and not thoroughly thought out, in my own humble opinion. Simply removing Microsoft&#8217;s input from W3C would set us back some 3-4 years in web standards. IE would go back to proprietary technology and we (as developers) would be left all alone in this mess. Let us read what Mr. Meyers has to say on the subject before saying anything we&#8217;ll regret. :) Looking forward to a little extra time off to read these. Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: Asbjørn Ulsberg</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/14/w3c-change-introduction/#comment-50808</link>
		<dc:creator>Asbjørn Ulsberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s just as important to have Microsoft on board of W3C as it is for grassroot guys like you and me to be able to contribute. What roles each of us should have, what it should cost and in what way we should be able to contribute is a subject open for lot of discussion, but dismissing Microsoft is stupid. If Microsoft can&#039;t play with us in the W3C, they will still play, but not on anybody&#039;s terms but their own, and that will hurt the web and the standards created for it.

I&#039;m looking forward to reading your upcoming entries with excitement, Eric.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just as important to have Microsoft on board of W3C as it is for grassroot guys like you and me to be able to contribute. What roles each of us should have, what it should cost and in what way we should be able to contribute is a subject open for lot of discussion, but dismissing Microsoft is stupid. If Microsoft can&#8217;t play with us in the W3C, they will still play, but not on anybody&#8217;s terms but their own, and that will hurt the web and the standards created for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to reading your upcoming entries with excitement, Eric.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Goddard</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/14/w3c-change-introduction/#comment-50796</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Goddard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who has read and admired pretty much everything you have published (and this site) for over 6 years, I&#039;m eagerly anticipating your views. 

A small entreaty - please (Mr Smith et al) lets not turn this into an opportunity to bash Microsoft. That&#039;s just sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has read and admired pretty much everything you have published (and this site) for over 6 years, I&#8217;m eagerly anticipating your views. </p>
<p>A small entreaty &#8211; please (Mr Smith et al) lets not turn this into an opportunity to bash Microsoft. That&#8217;s just sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Martin</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/14/w3c-change-introduction/#comment-50705</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cant wait to see what you actually have to say on each topic. Should make for some very good reading. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cant wait to see what you actually have to say on each topic. Should make for some very good reading. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Tremblay</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/14/w3c-change-introduction/#comment-50683</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Tremblay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; get blown off ... what happens to those of us with considerably less &quot;star power&quot;? *shakes head* Personality politics ... social pathology ... HeyHo.

Eugene Kim posted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eekim.com/blog/collaboration/wrightonaia.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an interesting letter written by Frank Lloyd Wright&lt;/a&gt;, about his (Wright&#039;s) relationship to professional associations. I&#039;m thinking about &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-qa-dev/2006Jul/0011&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leaving W3C QA Dev&lt;/a&gt;&quot;, of course. I&#039;ve never been one to suffer fools gladly (which cost me) and now, in my later years, I&#039;m even less willing to bend and take it with a smile (if you know what I mean). And yet entities such as associations and committees are the bullwarks of civil society. Until and unless we synthesise alternatives, which isn&#039;t likely any time soon.

My work started with using punched cards to create a database (No, not COBOL, no computer involved: sorted and searched by running knitting needles through holes along the cards&#039; edges.) and continued through VRML and Indymedia. Today I&#039;m grinding away like Spinoza working a lens ... there&#039;s just &lt;i&gt;nothing &lt;b&gt;simple&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; about &quot;drawing attention to effects of the basic problem&quot;. With all the tech we&#039;ve marshalled it&#039;s still (and always?) a matter of discourse. So I&#039;m betting on &quot;People of good will sharing deeply about simple things&quot;.

To become &quot;less and less&quot; relevant ... that&#039;s merely evolution, no? And evolution is the process of selecting adaptive processes, yes? So I suggest it falls to the charismatic and gifted individuals in the community to stand fast as principled practitioners as we create means to reduce the noise (I did DSP for fun ... ham radio, yuh know?) and methods that enhance the signal. More: I&#039;ll suggest we&#039;ve good will enough.

I can just hear the voices ... you&#039;re just mad, and Joel has gone mad ... yoiks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If <i>you</i> get blown off &#8230; what happens to those of us with considerably less &#8220;star power&#8221;? *shakes head* Personality politics &#8230; social pathology &#8230; HeyHo.</p>
<p>Eugene Kim posted <a href="http://www.eekim.com/blog/collaboration/wrightonaia.html" rel="nofollow">an interesting letter written by Frank Lloyd Wright</a>, about his (Wright&#8217;s) relationship to professional associations. I&#8217;m thinking about &#8220;<a href="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-qa-dev/2006Jul/0011" rel="nofollow">Leaving W3C QA Dev</a>&#8220;, of course. I&#8217;ve never been one to suffer fools gladly (which cost me) and now, in my later years, I&#8217;m even less willing to bend and take it with a smile (if you know what I mean). And yet entities such as associations and committees are the bullwarks of civil society. Until and unless we synthesise alternatives, which isn&#8217;t likely any time soon.</p>
<p>My work started with using punched cards to create a database (No, not COBOL, no computer involved: sorted and searched by running knitting needles through holes along the cards&#8217; edges.) and continued through VRML and Indymedia. Today I&#8217;m grinding away like Spinoza working a lens &#8230; there&#8217;s just <i>nothing <b>simple</b></i> about &#8220;drawing attention to effects of the basic problem&#8221;. With all the tech we&#8217;ve marshalled it&#8217;s still (and always?) a matter of discourse. So I&#8217;m betting on &#8220;People of good will sharing deeply about simple things&#8221;.</p>
<p>To become &#8220;less and less&#8221; relevant &#8230; that&#8217;s merely evolution, no? And evolution is the process of selecting adaptive processes, yes? So I suggest it falls to the charismatic and gifted individuals in the community to stand fast as principled practitioners as we create means to reduce the noise (I did DSP for fun &#8230; ham radio, yuh know?) and methods that enhance the signal. More: I&#8217;ll suggest we&#8217;ve good will enough.</p>
<p>I can just hear the voices &#8230; you&#8217;re just mad, and Joel has gone mad &#8230; yoiks!</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/14/w3c-change-introduction/#comment-50676</link>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Expell microsoft and its cronies (and their &#039;donations&#039;) from the W3C and it will get back on track. microsoft is the only one interested in slowing down progress on the web.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expell microsoft and its cronies (and their &#8216;donations&#8217;) from the W3C and it will get back on track. microsoft is the only one interested in slowing down progress on the web.</p>
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		<title>By: pauldwaite</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/14/w3c-change-introduction/#comment-50675</link>
		<dc:creator>pauldwaite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I&#039;d like to propose a whip-round to fund the purchase of a flame-retardant suit for the good Mr Meyer. The guy&#039;s got a child to bring up, we don&#039;t want to lose him to Firey Internet Death.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I&#8217;d like to propose a whip-round to fund the purchase of a flame-retardant suit for the good Mr Meyer. The guy&#8217;s got a child to bring up, we don&#8217;t want to lose him to Firey Internet Death.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregor J. Rothfuss</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/14/w3c-change-introduction/#comment-50666</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor J. Rothfuss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seems to me they should seriously look at the IETF model. No private mailing lists, no pay to play, all decisions made on the mailing list, not on expensive F2F]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me they should seriously look at the IETF model. No private mailing lists, no pay to play, all decisions made on the mailing list, not on expensive F2F</p>
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