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		<title>By: Technikwürze &#187; Technikwürze 43 - Der Dritte im Bunde</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-135035</link>
		<dc:creator>Technikwürze &#187; Technikwürze 43 - Der Dritte im Bunde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] der vergangenen Woche widmete Eric Meyer sich dem Gedanken einer Webdesigner-Organisation Being Professionals und betrachtete das Dasein eines Webdesigners auf Think Vitamin in ungewohnt witziger Weise: Stand [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] der vergangenen Woche widmete Eric Meyer sich dem Gedanken einer Webdesigner-Organisation Being Professionals und betrachtete das Dasein eines Webdesigners auf Think Vitamin in ungewohnt witziger Weise: Stand [...]</p>
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		<title>By: porcupine colors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Being professionals</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-87016</link>
		<dc:creator>porcupine colors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Being professionals</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] am using the same title with Eric Meyer since I need a common ground to start from and Meyer&#8217;s post is an excellent [...]</description>
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		<title>By: porcupine colors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nα είσαι επαγγελματίας</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-87014</link>
		<dc:creator>porcupine colors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nα είσαι επαγγελματίας</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] τον ίδιο τίτλο με αυτόν του Eric Meyer για να ξεκινήσω σε στέρεο έδαφος μια κουβέντα για το [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Burton Bargerstock</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-67362</link>
		<dc:creator>Burton Bargerstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 02:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This piece raises many good points about the early development of professions.  I particularly like the discussion about criteria for certification.  The idea of a network makes very good sense to me.  I frankly wonder whether the traditional patterns of forming professional societies works for web designers/developers.  The communication patterns that exist today and are of most common use by such folks are so very different than those that have existed in the past, that it raises questions about what professional community, identification, apprenticeship, mentoring, and service might look like in an Internet-mediated age.  I&#039;d be very interested in how a network might build on the current context toward shaping a new kind of professional affiliation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece raises many good points about the early development of professions.  I particularly like the discussion about criteria for certification.  The idea of a network makes very good sense to me.  I frankly wonder whether the traditional patterns of forming professional societies works for web designers/developers.  The communication patterns that exist today and are of most common use by such folks are so very different than those that have existed in the past, that it raises questions about what professional community, identification, apprenticeship, mentoring, and service might look like in an Internet-mediated age.  I&#8217;d be very interested in how a network might build on the current context toward shaping a new kind of professional affiliation.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Sanchez</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-67244</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Sanchez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding outdated knowledge, it&#039;s fairly common in other professions to have regular re-certifications be a part of the process. As a lifeguard in high school, I was required to renew my certifications in rescue, CPR and swimming instruction as often as every two years. That doesn&#039;t mean I needed to re-take a course each time, but I did have to challenge the updated test.

Regarding specializations, there are still a fundamental set of practices most web designers should know, such as even USING CSS at all. There is nothing to stop a group from providing certifications that stack onto that basic certification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding outdated knowledge, it&#8217;s fairly common in other professions to have regular re-certifications be a part of the process. As a lifeguard in high school, I was required to renew my certifications in rescue, CPR and swimming instruction as often as every two years. That doesn&#8217;t mean I needed to re-take a course each time, but I did have to challenge the updated test.</p>
<p>Regarding specializations, there are still a fundamental set of practices most web designers should know, such as even USING CSS at all. There is nothing to stop a group from providing certifications that stack onto that basic certification.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-65654</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Oct 2006 02:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, my take on the &quot;HTML Writers Guild&quot; is simply this. Useless.

Why you may ask? 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.artfulspider.com/&quot; title=&quot;Be prepared to grab the wastebasket to barf...&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Artful Spider&lt;/a&gt;

Yet another &quot;Frontpage is not your friend&quot; example.

If &quot;Proud Members&quot; of an organization produce crap like this... I want no part of it.


While it would be a &quot;huge&quot; undertaking, I currently have it set firm in my mind that any certification program should review the first 10-15 projects a &quot;member&quot; puts together once certified. I know, it sounds nuts. However it would at least be able to keep its reputation somewhat intact from that alone. After completing X number of projects, one would move from an apprentice type level up to the next. Also if &quot;forced&quot; to keep within set guidelines over this period, it would help to build upon the foundation created by the certification process as well as further help in developing &quot;good&quot; habits. Granted it would take a lot of resources to pull off, but something would have to be done to prevent the proud and newly certified folks from turning out something as what is linked above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, my take on the &#8220;HTML Writers Guild&#8221; is simply this. Useless.</p>
<p>Why you may ask? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.artfulspider.com/" title="Be prepared to grab the wastebasket to barf..." rel="nofollow">The Artful Spider</a></p>
<p>Yet another &#8220;Frontpage is not your friend&#8221; example.</p>
<p>If &#8220;Proud Members&#8221; of an organization produce crap like this&#8230; I want no part of it.</p>
<p>While it would be a &#8220;huge&#8221; undertaking, I currently have it set firm in my mind that any certification program should review the first 10-15 projects a &#8220;member&#8221; puts together once certified. I know, it sounds nuts. However it would at least be able to keep its reputation somewhat intact from that alone. After completing X number of projects, one would move from an apprentice type level up to the next. Also if &#8220;forced&#8221; to keep within set guidelines over this period, it would help to build upon the foundation created by the certification process as well as further help in developing &#8220;good&#8221; habits. Granted it would take a lot of resources to pull off, but something would have to be done to prevent the proud and newly certified folks from turning out something as what is linked above.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-65566</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We discussed this at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webmaster-forums.net/showthread.php?t=34785&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Webmaster Forums&lt;/a&gt; back in June. There are some interesting comments there from Abhishek who basically agrees with Eric here but goes on to fit web development in with software engineering. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webmaster-forums.net/showthread.php?t=30375&amp;highlight=amature&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another thread &lt;/a&gt; illustrates why there is a need for something like this - even the people deploring the lack of professional standards don&#039;t seem to have many themselves. 

My opinion is that for anything to happen on this front a lot of influential people will need to come together. Nice to see people like Eric and Mark Boulton bringing it up. There is no doubt in my mind that something has to be done to educate both web designers and clients about what good web design is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We discussed this at <a href="http://www.webmaster-forums.net/showthread.php?t=34785" rel="nofollow">The Webmaster Forums</a> back in June. There are some interesting comments there from Abhishek who basically agrees with Eric here but goes on to fit web development in with software engineering. <a href="http://www.webmaster-forums.net/showthread.php?t=30375&amp;highlight=amature" rel="nofollow">Another thread </a> illustrates why there is a need for something like this &#8211; even the people deploring the lack of professional standards don&#8217;t seem to have many themselves. </p>
<p>My opinion is that for anything to happen on this front a lot of influential people will need to come together. Nice to see people like Eric and Mark Boulton bringing it up. There is no doubt in my mind that something has to be done to educate both web designers and clients about what good web design is.</p>
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		<title>By: Tantek</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-64351</link>
		<dc:creator>Tantek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Even if we could wave a wand and create a good set of certification criteria in the next week, it would be out of date within a year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What would &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; go out of date however, are anticriteria.  Even though a list of anticriteria would grow over time, once a technique or method is condemned to the list, it stays on the list.

If we cannot necessarily keep up with documenting the latest in best practices (perhaps because we are still &lt;a href=&quot;http://microformats.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;figuring&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://whatwg.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;them&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://w3.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;out&lt;/a&gt;) which themselves may inevitably be out of date within a year, we can at least document obsolete techniques that are to be avoided, such as: (feel free to edit and insert list markup)

* tables for layout
* spacer gifs
* font tags
* &lt;a href=&quot;http://tantek.com/log/2002/10.html#L20021022t1432&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;ed &amp; &lt;br&gt;eakfast&lt;/a&gt; markup
* &lt;a href=&quot;http://tantek.com/log/2002/11.html#L20021128t1352&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;a&gt;norexic &lt;/a&gt;nchors&lt;/a&gt;
* &lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/02/23/keep-your-classes-clean/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;presentational class names&lt;/a&gt;

etc.

While these anticriteria cannot be used to recommend someone, they could be used to disqualify those that would otherwise claim to be professionals, and hopefully provide an educational resource for professionals to recognize and shed obsolete techniques.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Even if we could wave a wand and create a good set of certification criteria in the next week, it would be out of date within a year.</p></blockquote>
<p>What would <em>not</em> go out of date however, are anticriteria.  Even though a list of anticriteria would grow over time, once a technique or method is condemned to the list, it stays on the list.</p>
<p>If we cannot necessarily keep up with documenting the latest in best practices (perhaps because we are still <a href="http://microformats.org" rel="nofollow">figuring</a> <a href="http://whatwg.org/" rel="nofollow">them</a> <a href="http://w3.org/" rel="nofollow">out</a>) which themselves may inevitably be out of date within a year, we can at least document obsolete techniques that are to be avoided, such as: (feel free to edit and insert list markup)</p>
<p>* tables for layout<br />
* spacer gifs<br />
* font tags<br />
* <a href="http://tantek.com/log/2002/10.html#L20021022t1432" rel="nofollow">&lt;b&gt;ed &amp; &lt;br&gt;eakfast</a> markup<br />
* <a href="http://tantek.com/log/2002/11.html#L20021128t1352" rel="nofollow">&lt;a&gt;norexic &lt;/a&gt;nchors</a><br />
* <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/02/23/keep-your-classes-clean/" rel="nofollow">presentational class names</a></p>
<p>etc.</p>
<p>While these anticriteria cannot be used to recommend someone, they could be used to disqualify those that would otherwise claim to be professionals, and hopefully provide an educational resource for professionals to recognize and shed obsolete techniques.</p>
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		<title>By: ~dL</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-64006</link>
		<dc:creator>~dL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is always a pleasure to pay a visit...</description>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-63906</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 18:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know I&#039;d love to be on that team.  As well, if anyone has an idea on how to target clients, etc. as Mark mentions, I&#039;d love to be in on that as well.  I can see how the &quot;network&quot; would address everything but it could be a start, as well the idea that it would be cliqueish or inwardlooking is certainly a potential risk, but it goes against the primary reason for such a network and should be avoided at all costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know I&#8217;d love to be on that team.  As well, if anyone has an idea on how to target clients, etc. as Mark mentions, I&#8217;d love to be in on that as well.  I can see how the &#8220;network&#8221; would address everything but it could be a start, as well the idea that it would be cliqueish or inwardlooking is certainly a potential risk, but it goes against the primary reason for such a network and should be avoided at all costs.</p>
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		<title>By: John West</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-63898</link>
		<dc:creator>John West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another topic that needs some discussion is &quot;what level of specialisation is this body to represent?&quot;. Is this &quot;web designer&quot; the equivalent of the one-man-band or a specialised musician such as a flautist? The latter can play solo when appropriate, but I wouldn&#039;t hire the one-man-band for my orchestra.

Web design can include usability, accessibilty, scripting, graphic design, server-side programming, database design, network management, content management and more. (If you staff each of these separately, you need HR as well!) It seems to me that separating &quot;Web design&quot; from IT in general is too arbitrary a distinction to justify its own professional body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another topic that needs some discussion is &#8220;what level of specialisation is this body to represent?&#8221;. Is this &#8220;web designer&#8221; the equivalent of the one-man-band or a specialised musician such as a flautist? The latter can play solo when appropriate, but I wouldn&#8217;t hire the one-man-band for my orchestra.</p>
<p>Web design can include usability, accessibilty, scripting, graphic design, server-side programming, database design, network management, content management and more. (If you staff each of these separately, you need HR as well!) It seems to me that separating &#8220;Web design&#8221; from IT in general is too arbitrary a distinction to justify its own professional body.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Boulton</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-63873</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Boulton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Sorry Eric. My post has been duly amended with a link. 

The network Keith proposes is a great idea, but my concern with all of this discussion - as Richard points out - is there&#039;s a distinct lack of discussion about the client, career and business development and outreach work.

Certification of best practice, as I think I indicated in my post, will not work. As you point out, any kind of criteria will be out-dated within months. But aren&#039;t we barking up the wrong tree here? How many members of this industry would benefit from a trusted professional body which could produce, for example, sample invoices and t&#039;s and c&#039;s? Or guidelines on how to get indemnity insurance? 

I guess my point is, there&#039;s a lot more that professional networks or associations can offer other than certification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Sorry Eric. My post has been duly amended with a link. </p>
<p>The network Keith proposes is a great idea, but my concern with all of this discussion &#8211; as Richard points out &#8211; is there&#8217;s a distinct lack of discussion about the client, career and business development and outreach work.</p>
<p>Certification of best practice, as I think I indicated in my post, will not work. As you point out, any kind of criteria will be out-dated within months. But aren&#8217;t we barking up the wrong tree here? How many members of this industry would benefit from a trusted professional body which could produce, for example, sample invoices and t&#8217;s and c&#8217;s? Or guidelines on how to get indemnity insurance? </p>
<p>I guess my point is, there&#8217;s a lot more that professional networks or associations can offer other than certification.</p>
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		<title>By: Meri</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-63862</link>
		<dc:creator>Meri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh! I stupidly http&#039;d too much in the wiki link above. Here&#039;s the correct one: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.meriwilliams.com/ethics/index.php?title=Main_Page&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;web professional ethics discussion wiki&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh! I stupidly http&#8217;d too much in the wiki link above. Here&#8217;s the correct one: <a href="http://www.meriwilliams.com/ethics/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">web professional ethics discussion wiki</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Meri</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-63860</link>
		<dc:creator>Meri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Molly brought this up a while ago, in a discussion about a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.molly.com/2006/06/27/web-professionals-code-of-ethics/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;professional code of ethics&lt;/a&gt;. There was a &lt;a href=&quot;http://http://www.meriwilliams.com/ethics/index.php?title=Main_Page&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wiki&lt;/a&gt; set up, but there seems to have been mainly data-gathering rather than much discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly brought this up a while ago, in a discussion about a <a href="http://www.molly.com/2006/06/27/web-professionals-code-of-ethics/" rel="nofollow">professional code of ethics</a>. There was a <a href="http://http://www.meriwilliams.com/ethics/index.php?title=Main_Page" rel="nofollow">wiki</a> set up, but there seems to have been mainly data-gathering rather than much discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rutter</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/#comment-63857</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Richard&quot;s take is that certification could be based on relevant education and cross-discipline experience. Well, that leaves me out&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I certainly didn&#039;t intend to imply that relevent education would be a requirement - that would count me out too, what with my engineering degree. I meant to say that relevent education should be taken into account when quantifying the amount of experience someone has.

While I like the sound of the network Keith proposes, it seems very inward looking and wouldn&#039;t necessarily address the other needs that I believe an actual professional body should address - those of career development, diversity and outreach. If it did address those needs, in addition to the dissemination of best practice and innovation, and also required peer review for membership, then Keith has just invented a professional association I and others have been talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Richard&#8221;s take is that certification could be based on relevant education and cross-discipline experience. Well, that leaves me out</p></blockquote>
<p>I certainly didn&#8217;t intend to imply that relevent education would be a requirement &#8211; that would count me out too, what with my engineering degree. I meant to say that relevent education should be taken into account when quantifying the amount of experience someone has.</p>
<p>While I like the sound of the network Keith proposes, it seems very inward looking and wouldn&#8217;t necessarily address the other needs that I believe an actual professional body should address &#8211; those of career development, diversity and outreach. If it did address those needs, in addition to the dissemination of best practice and innovation, and also required peer review for membership, then Keith has just invented a professional association I and others have been talking about.</p>
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<h3><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/10/18/being-professionals/" rel="bookmark" title="Permanent Link: Being Professionals">Being Professionals</a></h3>
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Looks like the idea of a professional organization for web designers is back in the feeds.  <a href="http://www.markboulton.co.uk/">Mark Boulton</a>, after listening to the <a href="http://www.vivabit.com/atmedia2006/blog/index.php/hot-topics-panel-podcast/">Hot Topics panel from @media 2006</a>, had <a href="http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/comments/professional_body_for_the_web_design_industry/">quite a bit to say</a> about the idea.  <a href="http://clagnut.com/">Richard Rutter</a> followed up with <a href="http://clagnut.com/blog/1805/">thoughts of his own</a>, and then <a href="http://www.dkeithrobinson.com/">D. Keith Robinson</a> <a href="http://www.dkeithrobinson.com/entry/a_web_professionals_network/">chimed in</a>.  There are probably more posts out there by more people, because this is one of those topics that just spreads like a virus, infecting host after host with a copy of itself.  (If you have one, feel free to drop a link in the comments.)
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Since Mark started things off by mentioning my comments about education being behind the times (but didn&#8217;t actually link to me like he did everyone else; where&#8217;s the love, Mark?), I&#8217;ll start there.  I still hold that certification is much too premature for our field.  Even if we could wave a wand and create a good set of certification criteria in the next week, it would be out of date within a year.  Anything that <em>wouldn&#8217;t</em> go out of date that quickly would be so basic as to make a mockery of the whole idea of certifying someone as competent in the field.
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I&#8217;ll concede that if a relatively well-funded organization took on the task of creating and (more crucially) keeping up to date the criteria, they could be kept useful.  Hey, maybe <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/09/25/w3c-change-full-independence/">an independent W3C</a>!  Well, it&#8217;s a thought.
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The deeper problem is in deciding what constitutes professional competence.  Does using AJAX get you bonus points, or automatically disqualified?  Does absolutely everything a developer produces have to validate, even if that breaks layout or interactive features in one or more browsers?  Web design isn&#8217;t like chemistry, where the precipitate either forms or it doesn&#8217;t.  If chemical engineers had to work in conditions equivalent to web developers, they&#8217;d have to mix their solutions in several parallel universes, each one with different physical constants, and get the same result in all of them.
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Richard&#8217;s take is that certification could be based on relevant education and cross-discipline experience.  Well, that leaves me out: my degree in History isn&#8217;t likely to be considered relevant.  Then again, I&#8217;m not actually a web designer, so maybe Richard&#8217;s organization isn&#8217;t for me.  I might be considered a developer, but on the other hand, maybe I&#8217;m just a technology writer and need to go apply for membership in their club.
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Richard&#8217;s approach doesn&#8217;t really seem to make the &#8220;what qualifies&#8221; problem go away so much as it abstract it into a non-issue.  You just have to have experience in a discipline.  Nobody says it has to be particularly good or bad&#8212;though evaluating that would, apparently, be up to the peers who review your application.  This introduces an interesting subjective element, one that I think may feel foreign to those of us who like to work with computers.  In any organization composed of humans, of course, you&#8217;re not going to get away from subjectivity.
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In all this, though, the people who are interested in creating a professionals&#8217; organization will have to answer a fairly tough question.  Given that both the <a href="http://joinwow.org/">World Organization of Webmasters</a> and <a href="http://hwg.org/">HTML Writers Guild</a> already exist and offer certification, why aren&#8217;t they more widely known or highly regarded, and how will any proposed organization do better?  What will make it better or more influential?
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Of everyone, I think Keith&#8217;s got the best idea with his proposed professionals&#8217; network.  It&#8217;s probably game-able, but heck, so is entrance into a professional society.  I know I&#8217;d be very interested in participating in such a network, especially one that let people indicate who they&#8217;ve worked with, and on what.  Analyzing those link patterns could be endlessly fascinating.  If it includes community features similar to those of the original MeetUp, thus encouraging physical meetings of members, as well as the endorsement and networking features of LinkedIn, I&#8217;d be there in a hot second.
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So&#8230; who wants to start forming the team to make that network come alive?
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