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		<title>By: matthew w</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-359199</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew w</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant ideas that challenge the status quo will gradually percolate up from the fringe to the mainstream. Unless, of course, the channels are occupied by a homogeneous group. In our case, those channels are conferences and industry blogs. 

Even without intending to, this homogeneous group will reinforce new ideas similar to their own, and suppress those that represent a paradigm shift in thinking. Not out of spite, but inertia. 

Gone are the days when an independent blog can rise on good ideas alone. Without support from industry and celebrity blogs, a blog needs good ideas and solid writing and marketing skills. It&#039;s possible, but should the challenge of blogging brilliance decide whether or not someone can share great web development ideas? I want to hear the best web dev ideas regardless of someone&#039;s blogging pizazz! 

Conferences exist to learn and share ideas that are not accessible in other forums like books and blogs. Conference that reiterate what we&#039;ve read online a hundred times by the same white men are a boring waste of time!

Bravo Kottke for challenging the status quo. Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant ideas that challenge the status quo will gradually percolate up from the fringe to the mainstream. Unless, of course, the channels are occupied by a homogeneous group. In our case, those channels are conferences and industry blogs. </p>
<p>Even without intending to, this homogeneous group will reinforce new ideas similar to their own, and suppress those that represent a paradigm shift in thinking. Not out of spite, but inertia. </p>
<p>Gone are the days when an independent blog can rise on good ideas alone. Without support from industry and celebrity blogs, a blog needs good ideas and solid writing and marketing skills. It&#8217;s possible, but should the challenge of blogging brilliance decide whether or not someone can share great web development ideas? I want to hear the best web dev ideas regardless of someone&#8217;s blogging pizazz! </p>
<p>Conferences exist to learn and share ideas that are not accessible in other forums like books and blogs. Conference that reiterate what we&#8217;ve read online a hundred times by the same white men are a boring waste of time!</p>
<p>Bravo Kottke for challenging the status quo. Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: Stubbornella &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Technical Women Speakers on geekspeakr.com</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-357560</link>
		<dc:creator>Stubbornella &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Technical Women Speakers on geekspeakr.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ha! Take that Eric. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brady M</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-253947</link>
		<dc:creator>Brady M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 07:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally feel that this post is 100% on the ball. Anyone who see&#039;s this as an insulting post should read it again and think about it. I strongly agree that you have to do the homework with marketing ,in this case finding the right people to do the task at hand, whether it be male or female it doesnt matter. You can have someone that is able to go over the core fundamentals of a particular item ,lets say CSS, but unable to speak publicly about it. For example lets say Mr Male and Mrs Female were both candidates for this position and they both had the same experience, expertise and were both well known for this fact, but were unable to address the points that the Customers (Audience) were asking. then which one would we ask to come along, obviously the answer is neither. I say this because the Audience would like to have someone that can Address the issues at hand. I am aware that Females do get scrutinized in the IT industry and get labelled as &quot;She cant possible do what we(Males) do. I strongly disagree with this point as most females i know are able to make better Public Speakers for themselves and are able to Address the Situations at hand faster than most Males i know. I think it wrong that someone gets Labelled and &quot;Shunted&quot; according to their gender, race, ect. When did these things start counting to people, it is completley unfair and unappropriate. I personally applaud Eric and all guys that can see this light.

p.s. Tracey (Post #8) may i say that although the treatment you received does not surprise me, i do not belive you have to put up with that. I have a few IT Technicians that are female and when i take them to a new Clients site to inspect their IT Equipment all the staff at that clients site act as if my Technicians are my Reciptionists. This is not the way i would like to see the IT Industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally feel that this post is 100% on the ball. Anyone who see&#8217;s this as an insulting post should read it again and think about it. I strongly agree that you have to do the homework with marketing ,in this case finding the right people to do the task at hand, whether it be male or female it doesnt matter. You can have someone that is able to go over the core fundamentals of a particular item ,lets say CSS, but unable to speak publicly about it. For example lets say Mr Male and Mrs Female were both candidates for this position and they both had the same experience, expertise and were both well known for this fact, but were unable to address the points that the Customers (Audience) were asking. then which one would we ask to come along, obviously the answer is neither. I say this because the Audience would like to have someone that can Address the issues at hand. I am aware that Females do get scrutinized in the IT industry and get labelled as &#8220;She cant possible do what we(Males) do. I strongly disagree with this point as most females i know are able to make better Public Speakers for themselves and are able to Address the Situations at hand faster than most Males i know. I think it wrong that someone gets Labelled and &#8220;Shunted&#8221; according to their gender, race, ect. When did these things start counting to people, it is completley unfair and unappropriate. I personally applaud Eric and all guys that can see this light.</p>
<p>p.s. Tracey (Post #8) may i say that although the treatment you received does not surprise me, i do not belive you have to put up with that. I have a few IT Technicians that are female and when i take them to a new Clients site to inspect their IT Equipment all the staff at that clients site act as if my Technicians are my Reciptionists. This is not the way i would like to see the IT Industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Aspiala</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-198112</link>
		<dc:creator>Tina Aspiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this thread has been useful in that it has brought up what I think &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the real reason we don&#039;t hear from more qualified women: Women often feel uncomfortable marketing themselves, or claiming skills they don&#039;t have 100% covered. I&#039;ve been guilty of this. When I&#039;ve been asked to make someone a web page, I&#039;ve heard myself give all kinds of caveats about how I&#039;m not a total pro, despite the hundreds of self-styled &quot;experts&quot; on the web, advertising skills I can tell are far more basic than my own. I&#039;m also more likely to admit when I don&#039;t know something, or if I&#039;ve been wrong, or to &quot;see the other guy&#039;s point of view&quot; in a discussion, only to notice later on that these were interpreted as signs of weakness and lack of expertise.

Enough complaining. Here&#039;s a potential solution, which may already exist, though I haven&#039;t found it: A social networking site related to tech, &lt;em&gt;maybe&lt;/em&gt; limited to women (at first?) where women post profiles, links to things they&#039;ve done, and give each other advice on forums, &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; (this is crucial) write testimonials on each other&#039;s profiles/give each other points. This would allow certain top tech women to get more exposure without forcing them to additionally break through the &quot;nice girls aren&#039;t pushy&quot; collar that many of us were given by our parents and educational institutions.

Why keep this theoretical site women-only? &lt;em&gt;Because&lt;/em&gt; women have this additional obstacle to get through, that most men don&#039;t seem to. Men are told to get out there and get visible. Women are told to wait and be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this thread has been useful in that it has brought up what I think <em>is</em> the real reason we don&#8217;t hear from more qualified women: Women often feel uncomfortable marketing themselves, or claiming skills they don&#8217;t have 100% covered. I&#8217;ve been guilty of this. When I&#8217;ve been asked to make someone a web page, I&#8217;ve heard myself give all kinds of caveats about how I&#8217;m not a total pro, despite the hundreds of self-styled &#8220;experts&#8221; on the web, advertising skills I can tell are far more basic than my own. I&#8217;m also more likely to admit when I don&#8217;t know something, or if I&#8217;ve been wrong, or to &#8220;see the other guy&#8217;s point of view&#8221; in a discussion, only to notice later on that these were interpreted as signs of weakness and lack of expertise.</p>
<p>Enough complaining. Here&#8217;s a potential solution, which may already exist, though I haven&#8217;t found it: A social networking site related to tech, <em>maybe</em> limited to women (at first?) where women post profiles, links to things they&#8217;ve done, and give each other advice on forums, <em>and</em> (this is crucial) write testimonials on each other&#8217;s profiles/give each other points. This would allow certain top tech women to get more exposure without forcing them to additionally break through the &#8220;nice girls aren&#8217;t pushy&#8221; collar that many of us were given by our parents and educational institutions.</p>
<p>Why keep this theoretical site women-only? <em>Because</em> women have this additional obstacle to get through, that most men don&#8217;t seem to. Men are told to get out there and get visible. Women are told to wait and be found.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-192959</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 15:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand how in this modern world your comments could be mistaken, but I believe you are entirely right in your assertion that gender diversity need not be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand how in this modern world your comments could be mistaken, but I believe you are entirely right in your assertion that gender diversity need not be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Null is Love &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Where are all the women?</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-180399</link>
		<dc:creator>Null is Love &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Where are all the women?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about the poor ratio of female to male speakers at web conferences. Later posts on this thread are here, here, here, here and here. (There were many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about the poor ratio of female to male speakers at web conferences. Later posts on this thread are here, here, here, here and here. (There were many [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Luke Dorny</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-141115</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke Dorny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m part Nordic (Dansk).
Does that make me diverse? ...where? Certainly not in Denmark.
But in LA i&#039;m diverse.

Kudos on your stance, Mr. Meyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m part Nordic (Dansk).<br />
Does that make me diverse? &#8230;where? Certainly not in Denmark.<br />
But in LA i&#8217;m diverse.</p>
<p>Kudos on your stance, Mr. Meyer.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Jacobs</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-138381</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl Jacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 19:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see one basic flaw.

You are regurgitating the same list of &quot;experts&quot; for these conferences. And while having a field of experts is a good thing, how about making an effort to find a few folks with new voices and new things to say?  Regardless of their &quot;diversity&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see one basic flaw.</p>
<p>You are regurgitating the same list of &#8220;experts&#8221; for these conferences. And while having a field of experts is a good thing, how about making an effort to find a few folks with new voices and new things to say?  Regardless of their &#8220;diversity&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon &#187; Diversity and the Web2Open</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-128666</link>
		<dc:creator>::HorsePigCow:: marketing uncommon &#187; Diversity and the Web2Open</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 23:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that I&#8217;m pushing on this at the moment is because I want to highlight that, in light of the myriad of conversations about diversity that are recurring, we are actually trying a little [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that I&#8217;m pushing on this at the moment is because I want to highlight that, in light of the myriad of conversations about diversity that are recurring, we are actually trying a little [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Stansell</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-106294</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne Stansell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the comments to this post, but it seems to me that everyone is focusing on the problem rather than providing solutions.  I understood your call to action to include recommendations for speakers, yet I didn&#039;t see any (admittedly skimming comments).  
So here&quot;s one to help widen your net:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://viaspire.blogs.com/&quot; title=&quot;Heather Dority&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Heather Dority &lt;/a&gt;– Entrepreneur, Usability Expert and Web Enthusiast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the comments to this post, but it seems to me that everyone is focusing on the problem rather than providing solutions.  I understood your call to action to include recommendations for speakers, yet I didn&#8217;t see any (admittedly skimming comments).<br />
So here&#8221;s one to help widen your net:<br />
<a href="http://viaspire.blogs.com/" title="Heather Dority" rel="nofollow">Heather Dority </a>– Entrepreneur, Usability Expert and Web Enthusiast.</p>
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		<title>By: That Voodoo You Do &#183; Diversity and the High School Dance</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-104060</link>
		<dc:creator>That Voodoo You Do &#183; Diversity and the High School Dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] women speakers in our industry was reignited by Eric Meyer&#8217;s recent post where he said &#8220;as a conference organizer, I don&quot;t care about diversity.&#8221; This set off what is apparently called a blogostorm, with lots of passionate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] women speakers in our industry was reignited by Eric Meyer&#8217;s recent post where he said &#8220;as a conference organizer, I don&#8221;t care about diversity.&#8221; This set off what is apparently called a blogostorm, with lots of passionate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kunter ilalan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-101851</link>
		<dc:creator>kunter ilalan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;preface;&lt;/em&gt;
Eric Meyer is a very well known, besides, by no means even a less respectable figure to hold such an accepted personality among the webdev people world-wide. I&#039;m not his attorney. Walking in the same direction on the same pave at which he&#039;s on the lead nearly of 4 years puts me in that position.

&lt;b&gt;the DIVERSITY only in the intensions&lt;/b&gt;
as Meyer originally summed up, this explains why I &#039;ll be sorry for not being able to attend the coming &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aneventapart.com/events/boston07/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AEA&lt;/a&gt; gathering:
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;Well, I&quot;m hereby bucking that trend. In my personal view, diversity is not of itself important, and I don&quot;t feel that I have anything to address next time around. &lt;strong&gt;What&quot;s important is technical expertise, speaking skills, professional stature, brand appropriateness, and marketability.&lt;/strong&gt; That&quot;s it. That&quot;s always been the alpha and omega of my thinking, and it will continue to be so the next time, and time after that, and the time after that. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; I strongly believe in the proficiencies of these seminar participants ( who are not amongst the list, I won&#039;t count ) and I never had thought&lt;i&gt; why there ain&#039;t gonna be no gals or black persons,&lt;/i&gt; or say, &lt;i&gt;asians unemployeds disabled people &lt;/i&gt; et cetera ..it just never finishes

As far as my opinion is concerned, your great looking organization is already promising, attractive, and &lt;strike&gt;is&lt;/strike&gt; should be worth every penny spending for! However, from the same jealousy point of view, &lt;strong&gt;Mr. Meyer&lt;/strong&gt; should by &lt;b&gt;no means&lt;/b&gt; pay any attention to such magazine-kind artificial disturbances so he doesn&#039;t lose his current focus.

&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;P.S.&lt;/b&gt; Btw, I came up to meyerweb after several months following T.Çelik&#039;s  &lt;a href=&quot;http://tantek.com/log/2007/02.html#d23t0724&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; on his website, following a W3C article about slideshows. Forget the events, I fail following the webdev blogs! anyway .. I seriously need God to arrange my works or I can never catch up with the date. He also helps convincing big guys to use our web expertise in a country where &quot; outlook &quot; seems to be everything - the rest means &quot; nothing &quot;. Serious B2B / B2C education is needed over here. See Erik ? this is our business, not that one :) &lt;/em&gt;

best regards..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>preface;</em><br />
Eric Meyer is a very well known, besides, by no means even a less respectable figure to hold such an accepted personality among the webdev people world-wide. I&#8217;m not his attorney. Walking in the same direction on the same pave at which he&#8217;s on the lead nearly of 4 years puts me in that position.</p>
<p><b>the DIVERSITY only in the intensions</b><br />
as Meyer originally summed up, this explains why I &#8216;ll be sorry for not being able to attend the coming <a href="http://www.aneventapart.com/events/boston07/" rel="nofollow">AEA</a> gathering:</p>
<blockquote><p><em>Well, I&#8221;m hereby bucking that trend. In my personal view, diversity is not of itself important, and I don&#8221;t feel that I have anything to address next time around. <strong>What&#8221;s important is technical expertise, speaking skills, professional stature, brand appropriateness, and marketability.</strong> That&#8221;s it. That&#8221;s always been the alpha and omega of my thinking, and it will continue to be so the next time, and time after that, and the time after that. </em></p></blockquote>
<p> I strongly believe in the proficiencies of these seminar participants ( who are not amongst the list, I won&#8217;t count ) and I never had thought<i> why there ain&#8217;t gonna be no gals or black persons,</i> or say, <i>asians unemployeds disabled people </i> et cetera ..it just never finishes</p>
<p>As far as my opinion is concerned, your great looking organization is already promising, attractive, and <strike>is</strike> should be worth every penny spending for! However, from the same jealousy point of view, <strong>Mr. Meyer</strong> should by <b>no means</b> pay any attention to such magazine-kind artificial disturbances so he doesn&#8217;t lose his current focus.</p>
<p><em><b>P.S.</b> Btw, I came up to meyerweb after several months following T.Çelik&#8217;s  <a href="http://tantek.com/log/2007/02.html#d23t0724" rel="nofollow">post</a> on his website, following a W3C article about slideshows. Forget the events, I fail following the webdev blogs! anyway .. I seriously need God to arrange my works or I can never catch up with the date. He also helps convincing big guys to use our web expertise in a country where &#8221; outlook &#8221; seems to be everything &#8211; the rest means &#8221; nothing &#8220;. Serious B2B / B2C education is needed over here. See Erik ? this is our business, not that one :) </em></p>
<p>best regards..</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-101643</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is important that the responses to this blog correctly represent the diversity of the web -- otherwise, those calling here for more diversity on Eric&#039;s event are failing to trip over their own chewing gum.

That is why I have not posted. I fit the existing diversity-spectrum (eg reasonabily fluent in english) too well. Let&#039;s have some silence among ourselves while those others take time to comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important that the responses to this blog correctly represent the diversity of the web &#8212; otherwise, those calling here for more diversity on Eric&#8217;s event are failing to trip over their own chewing gum.</p>
<p>That is why I have not posted. I fit the existing diversity-spectrum (eg reasonabily fluent in english) too well. Let&#8217;s have some silence among ourselves while those others take time to comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Bryant</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/23/diverse-it-gets/#comment-101623</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By this stage in the discussion you r live comment preview is unusably slow so I will have to wait until next time you blog something so ignorant of the rest of the world to comment ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: PurplePenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>PurplePenny</dc:creator>
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		<description>I completely agree with Eric: it should be about quality not gender balance/diversity.  I don&#039;t care whether the speaker is a small furry being from Alpha Centauri just so long as it is a really knowledgeable/articulate/entertaining small furry being from Alpha Centauri.

An anecdote from a completely different field to illustrate the point: 
I went to a gig of local bands.  One band was an all-girl band, put together specifically to be all-girl.  They were crap.  Really crap.  Embarrassingly crap. They couldn&#039;t play their instruments well and their vocals were off-key.  Yet the audience was full of really PC young men going &quot;Yeah, like, wow, this is awesome.&quot;  

I asked a friend in the audience why he was so enthusiastic and his answer was &quot;They&#039;re a girl band&quot;.  &quot;Yes,&quot; I said &quot;but they are also crap.  Why do you applaud them just for being female when they are not as good as the other bands?  That is an insult to the good female musicians and singers who just turn up to auditions and get taken on for being good not female.&quot;  He was quite gobsmaked and conceded that he was being patronising and sexist for applauding them just for being female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Eric: it should be about quality not gender balance/diversity.  I don&#8217;t care whether the speaker is a small furry being from Alpha Centauri just so long as it is a really knowledgeable/articulate/entertaining small furry being from Alpha Centauri.</p>
<p>An anecdote from a completely different field to illustrate the point:<br />
I went to a gig of local bands.  One band was an all-girl band, put together specifically to be all-girl.  They were crap.  Really crap.  Embarrassingly crap. They couldn&#8217;t play their instruments well and their vocals were off-key.  Yet the audience was full of really PC young men going &#8220;Yeah, like, wow, this is awesome.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I asked a friend in the audience why he was so enthusiastic and his answer was &#8220;They&#8217;re a girl band&#8221;.  &#8220;Yes,&#8221; I said &#8220;but they are also crap.  Why do you applaud them just for being female when they are not as good as the other bands?  That is an insult to the good female musicians and singers who just turn up to auditions and get taken on for being good not female.&#8221;  He was quite gobsmaked and conceded that he was being patronising and sexist for applauding them just for being female.</p>
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This post is probably going to get me burnt to a tiny, mewling crisp, but that&#8217;s okay.  I can take it.
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<p>
I also want to make it <strong>very</strong> clear that what I write here reflects my personal views.  It does not in any fashion represent the official policy of An Event Apart LLC or its associated conferences.  However, it&#8217;s obviously the case that, as a co-founder of the company and an organizer of said conferences, my views influence what happens there.  Just don&#8217;t think for an instant that I speak for Jeffrey in this, nor that I am declaring official company policy.  This one&#8217;s all me.
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<p>
So, here it is:  as a conference organizer, I don&#8217;t care about diversity.
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<p>
All right.  Take a minute to reduce the boil in your blood to a bare simmer, and bear with me.  I&#8217;m going to explain what I mean, and illustrate as best I can.  I hope that by the end, you&#8217;ll better understand my point of view, even if you don&#8217;t agree with it.
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<p>
Yesterday, Jason Kottke <a href="http://www.kottke.org/07/02/gender-diversity-at-web-conferences">posted the percentage of female speakers at recent and upcoming web conferences</a>.  I note he didn&#8217;t include the one-day Event Aparts from last year, where our speaker lists ranged from 0% female (most of them) to 25% female (<a href="http://aneventapart.com/events/2006/austin/">Austin</a>) to 40% female (<a href="http://aneventapart.com/events/2006/seattle/">Seattle</a>), but that&#8217;s okay.  Maybe he was only considering &#8220;bigger&#8221; conferences.  Early on, he wrote:
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Each time this issue is raised, you see conference organizers publicly declare that they tried, that diversity is a very important issue, and that they are going to address it the next time around.
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<p>
Well, I&#8217;m hereby bucking that trend.  In my personal view, diversity is not of itself important, and I don&#8217;t feel that I have anything to address next time around.  What&#8217;s important is technical expertise, speaking skills, professional stature, brand appropriateness, and marketability.  That&#8217;s it.  That&#8217;s always been the alpha and omega of my thinking, and it will continue to be so the next time, and time after that, and the time after that.
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You&#8217;ll note that nowhere in that list do you find gender, race, creed, or any other such parameter.  Those things are completely unimportant to me when organizing a conference.  (Or, really, when I&#8217;m doing almost anything.)  Hopefully, you&#8217;ll also note that I have not said that speakers should always be white males.  If that&#8217;s what you think not caring about diversity means, then sorry, you&#8217;re wrong.  At least you&#8217;re wrong in my case.  I can&#8217;t speak for others.
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I will admit that we&#8217;ve seen a little bit of pushback on this issue.  The gender imbalance of the upcoming <a href="http://aneventapart.com/events/boston07/">Boston show</a> was pointed out to us by one of the speakers, and I&#8217;m sure someone&#8217;s eventually going to ask us where the women are in <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/02/20/back-in-seattle-again/">Seattle</a>.
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I&#8217;ll slightly sidetrack to address Seattle, since it illustrates one aspect of how speaker lists are decided.  With <a href="http://north.webdirections.org/">Web Directions North</a> just concluded in Vancouver, we made a tactical decision to try not to repeat any speakers from WDN at our Seattle show.  Retaliation?  Nope; simple marketing.  If our Seattle speaker list looked like even a partial re-run of WDN, then where&#8217;s the incentive to go to AEA?  Unfortunately, that left us fairly high and dry with regard to many of the best-known names in our field, including the best-known women.  Nothing against the WDN crew: we&#8217;re all friends here; they had the earlier show; and nobody held a gun to our heads and forced us to go to Seattle in June.  That&#8217;s just how things turned out.
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So that left us four women down in terms of who we could consider inviting to Seattle.  You might say: well, that&#8217;s fine, but what about getting other women on stage?
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<p>
Okay, who?
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Before you answer, remember that An Event Apart is a web development best practices conference.  Our brand promises to bring you the biggest names in the field of standards-oriented design and closely related fields, and to have those people talk about what they see next, to push the envelope just a little further out, to show the audience old things in new ways, and so on.  Therefore, it relies on populating the stage with widely known and respected people, on having speakers who are instantly recognizable as relevant to what the attendees do and what they want to learn.
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So someone might suggest that we invite, say, <a href="http://xdesign.ucsd.edu/">Natalie Jeremijenko</a>.  I&#8217;d immediately sit bolt upright with interest: I <em>love</em> her stuff.  She&#8217;s the kind of artist-engineer-hacker I would want to be if I were to choose that sort of career path.  Her ideas and projects completely fascinate me.  I would love to see her present on what she&#8217;s doing and thinking and seeing in the world, and to have the chance to meet her in person and express my deep and abiding admiration.
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But then the conference organizer in me would slump back.  She&#8217;s not well known in the web design/development field, and she doesn&#8217;t really work in that field anyway.  As brilliant and talented and amazing and wonderful and female as she is, she doesn&#8217;t belong on our stage.  Other stages, absolutely!  (If <a href="http://makezine.com/">MAKE:</a> ever does a conference, they&#8217;d be idiots not to invite her.)  But not ours.
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Call that decision a manifestation of old-boy clubbiness if you want, but it isn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s the natural result of defining a brand and sticking to it.  Should Slipknot be the opening act for a Tim McGraw/Faith Hill tour?  Should Rick Santorum be the opening keynote at the Democratic National Convention?  Should I be a speaker at the Blog Business Summit?  Should men be on stage at BlogHer?
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No.
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Look at the authors of the best-selling books in the field.  Look at the folks behind the most widely followed web sites.  Look at the names that come up whenever someone asks who are the most respected and influential people in web design and development.  How many are female?
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A few.  Not many.  (And most of them spoke in Vancouver.)  So is the gender imbalance in the eye of the organizers, or is it in the very fabric of the industry?
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Allow me to illustrate by way of digression.  A couple of years back, I was asked to do a book project that I couldn&#8217;t take on.  So I posted here, asking people <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/05/wanted-css-luminary/">what recognized names in the industry they&#8217;d recommend</a> to write such a book.  I got over one hundred responses before I closed the comments.  Know how many women&#8217;s names I got?  Six out of fifty-six; that&#8217;s about 10.7%.  Two of those women <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/07/12/luminous-beings/">landed in the top ten</a>, and the rest got a mention or two.  (Anne van Kesteren doesn&#8217;t count, since he&#8217;s male; he&#8217;s also Dutch.)
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Still, we might take that list and assume that of the most respected names in the CSS field, 11% are women.  You might conclude, then, that any CSS-centric conference (which AEA is not, but bear with me) should never have less than 11% female speakers.  Fine.  So that also means that no CSS-centric conference should have less than 89% male speakers, right?
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Hey, how come the room got so suddenly quiet?  And why all the pitchforks?
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For me, when it comes to planning an A-list conference, I look for A-list speakers, by which I mean speakers who will be regarded as A-list <em>by our audience</em>&#8212;the same audience that came up with a list of 56 people, 10.7% of which were female and 89.3% of which were male.
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For that matter, it&#8217;s very important that our speakers be good public speakers.  Bobby or Bobbi Speaker could be the very top name in their area of expertise, but if they&#8217;re a train wreck on stage, then no thanks.  In our internal discussions, we&#8217;ve rejected some names because they are known to be poor speakers.  (They were all men, as if that matters.)  We&#8217;ve also pursued some speakers who we know are simply fantastic on stage.  (From both sexes, as if <em>that</em> matters.)
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So, like I said before, when I&#8217;m thinking about a speaker list, I care about expertise, speaking skills, stature, appropriateness, and marketability.  I&#8217;m just not interested in a person&#8217;s plumbing.  I care about what they know, how they&#8217;re perceived in the industry, how well they fit the conference&#8217;s brand, and how well they do on stage.
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<p>
Now, here&#8217;s where you get to show me my blind spots:  let me know who has been overlooked by conferences in general, female or otherwise, and why they shouldn&#8217;t be overlooked any more.  As an organizer, I&#8217;m interested for the usual business and brand reasons; personally, I want to know because I always want to learn new things and hear from new voices.  I&#8217;ll absolutely give consideration to any name you mention for AEA speakership&#8212;but everyone will be considered using the same set of criteria, and their plumbing isn&#8217;t part of that set.
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<strong>Addendum 24 Feb 07:</strong> my poor use of language created a massive ambiguity which has left many with the wrong impression.  I used &#8220;diversity&#8221; to mean mostly &#8220;gender diversity&#8221;, as it was used in the piece to which I was responding.  I did <strong><em>not</em></strong> say, nor did I mean to leave the impression I was saying, that I am uninterested in conceptual diversity, diversity of thought.  It seems that I did leave that impression, and for misleading others, I very much apologize.  (That the misleading was unintentional is beside the point.)
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