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		<title>By: Alexander Sperl  Padding is a Strange Creature</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/14/reworked-reset/#comment-493418</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Sperl  Padding is a Strange Creature</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] how can you take anything for granted after you see the bottom padding here&#8230;  Maybe those browser reset stylesheets are not such a bad idea after all&#8230; At least it looks the same in FF and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ilahiler</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilahiler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah ha! it seems that using html as a selector in opera with the big reset will confuse it (not all the time though - sometimes a page refresh triggers it, sometimes it fixes it. go figure)

So now my reset rules are exactly above but with &quot;html&quot; removed from the first rule selection list.

That&quot;s been annoying me for weeks - so glad it&quot;s fixed now. didnt seem to disrupt any other browsers either. Why on earth they would bother styling the html element I do not know :(:(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah ha! it seems that using html as a selector in opera with the big reset will confuse it (not all the time though &#8211; sometimes a page refresh triggers it, sometimes it fixes it. go figure)</p>
<p>So now my reset rules are exactly above but with &#8220;html&#8221; removed from the first rule selection list.</p>
<p>That&#8221;s been annoying me for weeks &#8211; so glad it&#8221;s fixed now. didnt seem to disrupt any other browsers either. Why on earth they would bother styling the html element I do not know :(:(</p>
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		<title>By: A.P.</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,

your CSS code is quite well optimized for compactness. Unfortunately that has a drawback: -it is not clear which tags really need a given style rule (because inheritance is not applied by default, for instance, or because different browsers have different default style sheets).

Would it be possible to show the CSS code in an unentangled way? That is, for each one of the following type of rules, give the corresponding set of tags that really need those rules:

i)   margin: 0; padding: 0;
ii)  border: 0;
iii) font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-family: inherit;
iv)  font-size: 100%;
v)   line-height: 1;
vi)  text-align: left;
vii) vertical-align: baseline;

The point is that I would like to set directly the final rule values whithout needing to reset and then setting them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>your CSS code is quite well optimized for compactness. Unfortunately that has a drawback: -it is not clear which tags really need a given style rule (because inheritance is not applied by default, for instance, or because different browsers have different default style sheets).</p>
<p>Would it be possible to show the CSS code in an unentangled way? That is, for each one of the following type of rules, give the corresponding set of tags that really need those rules:</p>
<p>i)   margin: 0; padding: 0;<br />
ii)  border: 0;<br />
iii) font-weight: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-family: inherit;<br />
iv)  font-size: 100%;<br />
v)   line-height: 1;<br />
vi)  text-align: left;<br />
vii) vertical-align: baseline;</p>
<p>The point is that I would like to set directly the final rule values whithout needing to reset and then setting them again.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>27stars &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some Tip&#8217;s to avoid IE fixing stress&#8230;</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] 1)Use a base stylesheet - why spend hours tweaking styles when all that needs to be done is catching all those pesky initial values. Don&#8217;t have a base stylesheet? Your can find a nifty one by Eric Meyer here. [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>A good start - setting up xhtml and css files for your design - bee-digital design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 首先是将绝大部分元素的样式清零，免得经常会遇到各种各样的问题。来自于Eric 的一篇文章。 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 梦想照进现实 &#187; 转-CSS Framework，让你事半功倍</title>
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		<dc:creator>梦想照进现实 &#187; 转-CSS Framework，让你事半功倍</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 12:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Francisco Sepúlveda</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice reset, but, what about the different display value between browsers, its a good idea defining for any element in the stylesheet the display value?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice reset, but, what about the different display value between browsers, its a good idea defining for any element in the stylesheet the display value?</p>
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		<title>By: www.963.it &#187; CSS Master: azzerare i valori di default dei fogli di stile dei browser: blog personale di Vincenzo Mania</title>
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		<dc:creator>www.963.it &#187; CSS Master: azzerare i valori di default dei fogli di stile dei browser: blog personale di Vincenzo Mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eric Mayer mette a disposizione degli sviluppatori web un CSS Master come pure il team di sviluppatori di Yahoo all&#8217;interno delle librerie UI. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CSS for lunch &#187; Reset styles</title>
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		<dc:creator>CSS for lunch &#187; Reset styles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Sander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 02:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a simple question, but if I use a browser reset style, should I add a new selector &#039;body&#039;, to override the reset for the selector body? Or should I alter the lines in the Reset-CSS?

How can I deal with this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a simple question, but if I use a browser reset style, should I add a new selector &#8216;body&#8217;, to override the reset for the selector body? Or should I alter the lines in the Reset-CSS?</p>
<p>How can I deal with this?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Grid Design или вёрстка с Сеткой. / theartbox</dc:creator>
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<p>
Here&#8217;s the latest version of my &#8220;baseline&#8221; style sheet, with some changes based on feedback from readers on <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/12/reset-styles/">the original post</a>.
</p>

<pre>
/* Don't forget to set a foreground and background color 
   on the 'html' or 'body' element! */
html, body, div, span,
applet, object, iframe,
h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6, p, blockquote, pre,
a, abbr, acronym, address, big, cite, code,
del, dfn, em, font, img, ins, kbd, q, s, samp,
small, strike, strong, sub, sup, tt, var,
dd, dl, dt, li, ol, ul,
fieldset, form, label, legend,
table, caption, tbody, tfoot, thead, tr, th, td {
	margin: 0;
	padding: 0;
	border: 0;
	font-weight: inherit;
	font-style: inherit;
	font-size: 100%;
	line-height: 1;
	font-family: inherit;
	text-align: left;
	vertical-align: baseline;
}
a img, :link img, :visited img {
	border: 0;
}
table {
	border-collapse: collapse;
	border-spacing: 0;
}
ol, ul {
	list-style: none;
}
q:before, q:after,
blockquote:before, blockquote:after {
	content: "";
}
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<p>
The changes are:
</p>
<ol>
<li><p>The leading comment &#8212; rather than fill in some default document colors, which I hesitate to do given how often they&#8217;ll be changed, I just threw in a comment reminding the author that setting them is a good idea.  I&#8217;d expect that anyone who uses their own set of baseline styles will fill in their own favorite color set.</p></li>
<li><p><code>font-weight: inherit;</code> &#8212; this used to be <code>normal</code>, but it was pointed out that this would upset normal inheritance.  For example, if you set a <code>div</code> to be boldfaced, none of its descendant elements would inherit that boldness (because they&#8217;d be explicitly assigned <code>normal</code>).  Using <code>inherit</code> avoids this problem while still &#8220;zeroing out&#8221; boldface styling.</p></li>
<li><p><code>font-style: inherit</code> &#8212; same reasoning.</p></li>
<li><p><code>vertical-align: baseline</code> &#8212; this brings everything onto the baseline, including superscripts and subscripts.  This forces authors to determine the exact vertical offset they want for such elements, as well as any others they might care to vertically shift, as well as how they&#8217;ll accomplish said shift(s).</p></li>
<li><p><code>a img, :link img, :visited img</code> &#8212; this will make sure images in anchors and links don&#8217;t have a border by default.  Using <code>a img</code> covers images in named anchors, while the rest of the selector handles images inside either visited or unvisited links.  You might consider <code>a img</code> to be sufficient, and for now you&#8217;d be right.  But in the future, any element may be a link, not just <code>a</code> elements, so this gives us a bit of future-proofing.</p></li>
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<p>
I also put some spaces into the selectors to make them easier for me to read.  If you use these styles, you might consider stripping out the unnecessary whitespace to compact the rules as much as possible.
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It was suggested that <code>min-width: 0;</code> be added to the first rule in order to invoke <a href="http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html">hasLayout</a>, but Ingo Chao <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/12/reset-styles/#comment-132254">explained why that was a bad idea</a>.  It was also suggested that text decorations should be removed from links, but I&#8217;d rather not.  I try never to mess with link decorations, and also figure that anyone who feels otherwise can add their own <code>text-decoration</code> declarations.
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