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		<title>By: Sam Doyle &#187; CSS Reset &#8211; Reduce Browser Inconsistancies</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/18/reset-reasoning/#comment-493685</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Doyle &#187; CSS Reset &#8211; Reduce Browser Inconsistancies</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] To see the reasoning behind the need for a css reset, read here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CMI Web Studio Blog &#187; Reseting CSS Styles</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/18/reset-reasoning/#comment-488028</link>
		<dc:creator>CMI Web Studio Blog &#187; Reseting CSS Styles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 03:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] discussed in the original article, CSS guru Erik Meyer set forth to create a universal set of reset styles. This is heavy-duty stuff, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CSS Techniques I Wish I Knew When I Started Designing Websites - Noupe</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eric Meyer&#8217;s Resets and the reasoning behind them [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Lean Mean CSS Trimming Machine — Website Design UK</title>
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		<description>[...] I still think it&#8217;s the simplest, best option. However, Eric Meyer has a great article on why he does not use the universal selector to reset everything, and a follow up article which explains what he does instead, so I might have to rethink my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Powerful and Userful CSS Tools to saving your time – Part III</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] line heights, margins and font sizes of headings, and so on. The general reasoning behind this was discussed in a May 2007 post, if you&#8217;re interested. Reset styles quite often appear in CSS frameworks, and the original [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reset de CSS @ Marcelo Pedra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reset de CSS @ Marcelo Pedra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] y tamaños de fuente de encabezados&#8230; El razonamiento general detrás de esto puede leerse en este post de Meyerweb. Los estilos de reset suelen aparecer en frameworks de [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bermain CSS #1 &#124; eattutsmagazine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bermain CSS #1 &#124; eattutsmagazine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 05:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Populer , Eric Meyer adalah seorang CSS GURU ( master ) yang membuat CSS Reset dengan berberapa alasan salah satunya adalah tidak semua browser memiliki sifat yang sama . Dapat dilihat disini [...]</description>
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		<title>By: reset.css muammas</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/18/reset-reasoning/#comment-469137</link>
		<dc:creator>reset.css muammas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] pek inanmamam. Eger Yahoo ve Eric Myer tarafindan tavsiye ediliyor olmasi.  Nedenine gelince [Link]    [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 960 Grid System &#124; Tarek Shalaby</title>
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		<dc:creator>960 Grid System &#124; Tarek Shalaby</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] file. If you haven&#8217;t been resetting your CSS when developing websites, that you should read this article to know why you should. But basically, resetting avoids a lot of browser incompatibility [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Using a CSS Reset File &#124; Jon Karna's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Using a CSS Reset File &#124; Jon Karna's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 05:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] class so that I can use it outside of the designated content area for the cms. I really enjoyed the collaboration that went into Eric Meyer&#8217;s file also. html, body, div, span, applet, object, iframe, h1, h2, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] class so that I can use it outside of the designated content area for the cms. I really enjoyed the collaboration that went into Eric Meyer&#8217;s file also. html, body, div, span, applet, object, iframe, h1, h2, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/18/reset-reasoning/#comment-443241</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 22:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This also needs adding to remove inconsistent padding weirdness in Firefox --

button::-moz-focus-inner { border: none }</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This also needs adding to remove inconsistent padding weirdness in Firefox &#8211;</p>
<p>button::-moz-focus-inner { border: none }</p>
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		<title>By: blueprint css framework at cssframework</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueprint css framework at cssframework</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reset Reasoning：http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/18/reset-reasoning/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: css reset &#124; 西风坊</title>
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		<dc:creator>css reset &#124; 西风坊</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] css reset ？简单讲就是把基本的浏览器默认css给重新覆盖掉。因为各大浏览器的样式表实在是差别太大了，（有兴趣的同学可以在firefox地址栏中敲“resource://gre/res/html.css”查看firefox的默认样式表）所以我们像个办法在开始写css之前把一些常见的样式差异都处理掉。(更好的解释请看 reset reasoning 这篇文章)比如我们很常见的body{padding:0,margin:0}就是一个简单的样式重置。 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] css reset ？简单讲就是把基本的浏览器默认css给重新覆盖掉。因为各大浏览器的样式表实在是差别太大了，（有兴趣的同学可以在firefox地址栏中敲“resource://gre/res/html.css”查看firefox的默认样式表）所以我们像个办法在开始写css之前把一些常见的样式差异都处理掉。(更好的解释请看 reset reasoning 这篇文章)比如我们很常见的body{padding:0,margin:0}就是一个简单的样式重置。 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vincent Pollard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vincent Pollard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about adding

img {
   border: 0;
}

to the reset.css?

i use this on every project to stop the nasty default border when an image is inside an &lt;a&gt; tag.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
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<p>img {<br />
   border: 0;<br />
}</p>
<p>to the reset.css?</p>
<p>i use this on every project to stop the nasty default border when an image is inside an <a> tag.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Károly György Tamás</title>
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		<dc:creator>Károly György Tamás</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,
This is my version: &lt;a href=&quot;http://kgyt.hu/faq/base.css/&quot; title=&quot;base.css&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;base.css&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.
You have a link. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,<br />
This is my version: <a href="http://kgyt.hu/faq/base.css/" title="base.css" rel="nofollow"><strong>base.css</strong></a>.<br />
You have a link. :-)</p>
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<p>
The reset styles are undergoing yet another overhaul, but in the meantime, I thought I&#8217;d answer a question several people have asked: <strong>why?!?</strong>  Why do this at all?
</p>
<p>
The basic reason is that all browsers have presentation defaults, but no browsers have the same defaults.  (Okay, no two browser <em>families</em>&#8212;most Gecko-based browsers do have the same defaults.)  For example, some browsers indent unordered and ordered lists with left margins, whereas others use left padding.  In past years, we tackled these inconsistencies on a case-by-case basis; for example, making sure to always <a href="http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Consistent_List_Indentation">set both left padding and left margin on lists</a>.
</p>
<p>
But there are all kinds of inconsistencies, some more subtle than others.  Headings have slightly different top and bottom margins, indentation distances are different, and so on.  Even something as basic as the default line height varies from one browser to another&#8212;which can have profound effects on element heights, vertical alignments, and overall feel.
</p>
<p>
This is not something we consider very often.  We think of our CSS as modifying the default look of a document&#8212;but with a &#8220;reset&#8221; style sheet, we can make that default look more consistent across browsers, and thus spend less time fighting with browser defaults.  Rather than say &#8220;the size of that heading is just right&#8221;, forgetting that not all browsers size headings the same way, I have to write the CSS that sets the heading to be the size I want (or the design requires, which comes to the same thing).
</p>
<p>
This is why so many people zero out their padding and margins on everything by way of the universal selector.  That&#8217;s a good start, but it does unfortunately mean that <em>all</em> elements will have their padding and margin zeroed, including form elements like textareas and text inputs.  In some browsers, these styles will be ignored.  In others, there will be no apparent effect.  Still others might have the look of their inputs altered.  Unfortunately, there&#8217;s just no way to know, and it&#8217;s an area where things are likely to change quite a bit over the next few years.
</p>
<p>
So that&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t want to use the universal selector, but instead explicitly list out elements to be reset.  In this way, I don&#8217;t have to worry about munging form elements.  (I really should write about the weirdnesses inherent in form elements, but that&#8217;s for another day.)
</p>
<p>
There&#8217;s another reason I want to reset a whole lot of styles on a whole lot of elements.  Not only do I want to strip off the padding and margins, but I also want all elements to have a consistent font size, weight, style, and family.  Yes, I want to remove the boldfacing from headings and <code>strong</code> elements; I want to un-italicize <code>em</code> and <code>cite</code> elements.
</p>
<p>
I want all this because I don&#8217;t want to take style effects for granted.  This serves two purposes.  First, it makes me think just that little bit harder about the semantics of my document.  With the reset in place, I don&#8217;t pick <code>strong</code> because the design calls for boldfacing.  Instead, I pick the right element&#8212;whether it&#8217;s <code>strong</code> or <code>em</code> or <code>b</code> or <code>h3</code> or whatever&#8212;and then style it as needed.
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<p>
The maddening barrier to this is, yes, Internet Explorer.  See, in order to set all elements to have the same font weight and style (both <code>normal</code>) and have all elements use the same font face <em>without</em> breaking inheritance, I need to declare the following:
</p>
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font-weight: inherit;
font-style:  inherit;
font-family: inherit;
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<p>
But IE/Win doesn&#8217;t support <code>inherit</code>, which would seem to bring that whole effort to a screeching halt.  I can&#8217;t explicitly assign the values, like I did in a previous version of the style sheet, because that would block the effects of inheritance.  Say, for example, I wrote this instead:
</p>
<pre>
font-weight: normal;
font-style:  normal;
font-family: serif;
</pre>
<p>
Okay, now I have this rule later on in the CSS:
</p>
<pre>
h1 {font: bold 2em Verdana, sans-serif;}
</pre>
<p>
Then I have this markup:
</p>
<pre>
&lt;h1&gt;Considering a &lt;em&gt;Truly&lt;/em&gt; Annoying Omission&lt;/h1&gt;
</pre>
<p>
The <code>em</code> in the middle of the <code>h1</code> will be un-boldfaced, and in a serif face.  With the <code>inherit</code> values, it would be bold and in Verdana (or some sans-serif font).  I should have realized that from the outset, but sometimes my enthusiasm gets ahead of my reason.
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So do I drop those <code>inherit</code> declarations?  In the end, no.  They won&#8217;t work in IE/Win, but since I develop primarily in Firefox and Safari, that&#8217;s not actually a problem.  Their effects, as seen in my development environment, will still serve the purpose of reminding me to build up the styles I actually want, and not use the browsers&#8217; defaults as a crutch.  There is the possibility of my forgetting that (for example) IE/Win italicizes <code>em</code> when I don&#8217;t want it to, but that&#8217;s something I&#8217;ll catch during the browser testing phase.
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Hopefully this helps clarify my motivations and thinking.  I&#8217;ll follow up with a new (and hopefully final) version of the reset styles in another post, along with commentary on what other things I changed.
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