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		<title>By: Werner</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-546049</link>
		<dc:creator>Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,
the trade is indeed a bit dated, but maybe I can help even more.
The following code snippet helps:

.inherit_family {
  font-family: expression(this.parentNode.currentStyle[&#039;font-family&#039;]);
  }

.inherit_color {
  color: expression(this.parentNode.currentStyle[&#039;color&#039;]);
  }


Greetings Werner]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
the trade is indeed a bit dated, but maybe I can help even more.<br />
The following code snippet helps:</p>
<p>.inherit_family {<br />
  font-family: expression(this.parentNode.currentStyle['font-family']);<br />
  }</p>
<p>.inherit_color {<br />
  color: expression(this.parentNode.currentStyle['color']);<br />
  }</p>
<p>Greetings Werner</p>
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		<title>By: flash tekkie</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-416102</link>
		<dc:creator>flash tekkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 10:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any script execution at the Style Sheet stack of the browser is a performance issue and more importantly a security threat so the use of IE expressions should not be encouraged. It&#039;s a non-standard approach that does not comply with W3C directives.

Good news is &lt;a href=&quot;http://tekkie.flashbit.net/browsers/internet-explorer-dumping-css-hacks-to-comply-with-standards&quot; title=&quot;Internet Explorer dumping CSS hacks to comply with standards&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Microsoft is ending expressions in Internet Explorer&lt;/a&gt; as announced on Thursday earlier this week. Indeed a very nice move towards the standard-compliant browser.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any script execution at the Style Sheet stack of the browser is a performance issue and more importantly a security threat so the use of IE expressions should not be encouraged. It&#8217;s a non-standard approach that does not comply with W3C directives.</p>
<p>Good news is <a href="http://tekkie.flashbit.net/browsers/internet-explorer-dumping-css-hacks-to-comply-with-standards" title="Internet Explorer dumping CSS hacks to comply with standards" rel="nofollow">Microsoft is ending expressions in Internet Explorer</a> as announced on Thursday earlier this week. Indeed a very nice move towards the standard-compliant browser.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Ritchey</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-399777</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Ritchey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good stuff! I use a cross between Yahoo Grids, the 960 Grid and now this in a sort of hybrid solution for my layouts and it works 98% in each browser.

I&#039;m wondering however if it isn&#039;t required to use javascript hacking if the idea behind the inherit is to remind a person to style the elements rather than depend on inherit as a default directive;

I&#039;m trying to talk myself out of using any more hacks to make IE behave. Designers are already stuck using Transparent PNG hacks and other HTC (HTML Component) just to get IE to play nice.

This is a really good post Eric, thanks for the education and perspective.

~ Jared Ritchey]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff! I use a cross between Yahoo Grids, the 960 Grid and now this in a sort of hybrid solution for my layouts and it works 98% in each browser.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering however if it isn&#8217;t required to use javascript hacking if the idea behind the inherit is to remind a person to style the elements rather than depend on inherit as a default directive;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to talk myself out of using any more hacks to make IE behave. Designers are already stuck using Transparent PNG hacks and other HTC (HTML Component) just to get IE to play nice.</p>
<p>This is a really good post Eric, thanks for the education and perspective.</p>
<p>~ Jared Ritchey</p>
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		<title>By: Florent Guiliani</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-227057</link>
		<dc:creator>Florent Guiliani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 10:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dean Edwards - Your way is the best way from a feature point of vue. (except I would change:
inherit(this,&quot;fontFamily&quot;,&quot;times&quot;));
by
inherit(this,&quot;fontFamily&quot;,document.documentElement.currentStyle.fontFamily));

but It&#039;s very slowwwwwwwwwing the page :(. It&#039;s seems IE is calling js expression on any user action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dean Edwards &#8211; Your way is the best way from a feature point of vue. (except I would change:<br />
inherit(this,&#8221;fontFamily&#8221;,&#8221;times&#8221;));<br />
by<br />
inherit(this,&#8221;fontFamily&#8221;,document.documentElement.currentStyle.fontFamily));</p>
<p>but It&#8217;s very slowwwwwwwwwing the page :(. It&#8217;s seems IE is calling js expression on any user action.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Sleight</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-140836</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Sleight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the most logical &quot;default&quot; for font-family would be &quot;serif&quot;. Given that most browsers (on Windows at least) seem to use Times New Roman as their default.

It should certainly be one of the generic families (serif, sans-serif,  cursive, fantasy or monospace). serif and sans-serif seem the obvious choices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most logical &#8220;default&#8221; for font-family would be &#8220;serif&#8221;. Given that most browsers (on Windows at least) seem to use Times New Roman as their default.</p>
<p>It should certainly be one of the generic families (serif, sans-serif,  cursive, fantasy or monospace). serif and sans-serif seem the obvious choices.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Edwards</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-140138</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@priit - I would recommend *not* using CSS expressions most of the time. As you point out they can be very slow. There are ways round the fact that they are endlessly evaluated but you really have to know what you are doing. To be clear, I recommend not using expressions, especially for something as trivial as this example.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@priit &#8211; I would recommend *not* using CSS expressions most of the time. As you point out they can be very slow. There are ways round the fact that they are endlessly evaluated but you really have to know what you are doing. To be clear, I recommend not using expressions, especially for something as trivial as this example.</p>
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		<title>By: Dao</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-139709</link>
		<dc:creator>Dao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;you should check this, because during page loading things are different and html does have parentNode too.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That doesn&#039;t overrule my point: it would be more sensible to just not use that expression for the &lt;code&gt;html&lt;/code&gt; element.

Apart from performance, what&#039;s wrong with:
&lt;code&gt;&#160;&#160;* {
&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;font-style: expression(this.parentNode.currentStyle.fontStyle);
&#160;&#160;}
&#160;&#160;html {
&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;font-style: normal;
&#160;&#160;}&lt;/code&gt;
?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you sure that running your solution through profiler versus mine, your is not perhaps ten times slower?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Using &lt;code&gt;expression&lt;/code&gt; is expensive in the first place; I don&#039;t think calling a function adds relevant overhead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>you should check this, because during page loading things are different and html does have parentNode too.</p></blockquote>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t overrule my point: it would be more sensible to just not use that expression for the <code>html</code> element.</p>
<p>Apart from performance, what&#8217;s wrong with:<br />
<code>&nbsp;&nbsp;* {<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;font-style: expression(this.parentNode.currentStyle.fontStyle);<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;}<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;html {<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;font-style: normal;<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;}</code><br />
?</p>
<blockquote><p>Are you sure that running your solution through profiler versus mine, your is not perhaps ten times slower?</p></blockquote>
<p>Using <code>expression</code> is expensive in the first place; I don&#8217;t think calling a function adds relevant overhead.</p>
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		<title>By: Priit Pirita</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-139677</link>
		<dc:creator>Priit Pirita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dean,
Are you sure you want to add such overhead to do such a simple thing? As I said, IE evaluates CSS expressions constantly, you move the cursor over the element and expression is evaluated and again and again. And there is lot of tags in Eric&#039;s reset script. Are you sure that running your solution through profiler versus mine, your is not perhaps ten times slower? Are you sure that all this does not affect on browsers responsivness? I do expect you should know IE ten times better than I do, that&#039;s why I am asking...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,<br />
Are you sure you want to add such overhead to do such a simple thing? As I said, IE evaluates CSS expressions constantly, you move the cursor over the element and expression is evaluated and again and again. And there is lot of tags in Eric&#8217;s reset script. Are you sure that running your solution through profiler versus mine, your is not perhaps ten times slower? Are you sure that all this does not affect on browsers responsivness? I do expect you should know IE ten times better than I do, that&#8217;s why I am asking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Edwards</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-139631</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Priit - am I sure of what? The code I posted works, whether it is practical to use it or not is up to the individual. Personally, I wouldn&#039;t bother with expressions to fix such a minor bug.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Priit &#8211; am I sure of what? The code I posted works, whether it is practical to use it or not is up to the individual. Personally, I wouldn&#8217;t bother with expressions to fix such a minor bug.</p>
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		<title>By: thacker</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-139625</link>
		<dc:creator>thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My final two-cents--

To hell with using JavaScript for CSS. I suggest a separate reset IE style sheet within a conditional comment for all IE browsers.. simple and stupid.

&lt;code&gt;html,body,div,span,
applet,object,iframe,
h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,p,blockquote,pre,
a,abbr,acronym,address,big,cite,code,
del,dfn,em,font,img,ins,kbd,q,s,samp,
small,strike,strong,sub,sup,tt,var,
fieldset,form,label,legend,
caption{font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-family:monospace}
&lt;/code&gt;

Anyone see any pitfalls in my logic, please blast away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My final two-cents&#8211;</p>
<p>To hell with using JavaScript for CSS. I suggest a separate reset IE style sheet within a conditional comment for all IE browsers.. simple and stupid.</p>
<p><code>html,body,div,span,<br />
applet,object,iframe,<br />
h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6,p,blockquote,pre,<br />
a,abbr,acronym,address,big,cite,code,<br />
del,dfn,em,font,img,ins,kbd,q,s,samp,<br />
small,strike,strong,sub,sup,tt,var,<br />
fieldset,form,label,legend,<br />
caption{font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-family:monospace}<br />
</code></p>
<p>Anyone see any pitfalls in my logic, please blast away.</p>
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		<title>By: Priit Pirita</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-139431</link>
		<dc:creator>Priit Pirita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dean,
are you absolutely sure? The thing is that IE does not evaluate those expressions only once, instead it evaluates them more or less all the time. Which means the less overhead the better or?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,<br />
are you absolutely sure? The thing is that IE does not evaluate those expressions only once, instead it evaluates them more or less all the time. Which means the less overhead the better or?</p>
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		<title>By: thacker</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-139398</link>
		<dc:creator>thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 12:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could damn well be missing and/or misunderstanding a few things with the overall purpose of a reset style sheet and its functional implementation.

I am viewing the reset style sheet as more of a design tool that can be removed, or portions of it, prior to moving the content to the production server. I have been assuming that its use and development has and is directed primarily for projection and screen media. [Have not yet evaluated its impact upon print media or creating a separate massive print reset, nor the same for handheld devices.]

The use of script dynamic properties within a temporary reset file that serves as a visual aide to the developer/designer to insure that elements have been assigned values for font styling seems to make some sense. Keeping it simple and stupid seems to make some sense. Testing the hell out of any script, using a NASA philosophy, prior to deployment makes even more sense.

Spending ten bucks to solve a nickel problem doesn&#039;t make sense.

I am leery as hell about the use of client-side JavaScript for a lot of reasons.

But then as stated, I could be just confused.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could damn well be missing and/or misunderstanding a few things with the overall purpose of a reset style sheet and its functional implementation.</p>
<p>I am viewing the reset style sheet as more of a design tool that can be removed, or portions of it, prior to moving the content to the production server. I have been assuming that its use and development has and is directed primarily for projection and screen media. [Have not yet evaluated its impact upon print media or creating a separate massive print reset, nor the same for handheld devices.]</p>
<p>The use of script dynamic properties within a temporary reset file that serves as a visual aide to the developer/designer to insure that elements have been assigned values for font styling seems to make some sense. Keeping it simple and stupid seems to make some sense. Testing the hell out of any script, using a NASA philosophy, prior to deployment makes even more sense.</p>
<p>Spending ten bucks to solve a nickel problem doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>I am leery as hell about the use of client-side JavaScript for a lot of reasons.</p>
<p>But then as stated, I could be just confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean Edwards</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-139332</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ppk - you know that IE does not obey the rules so why bother quoting them. ;-)

Jonathon is on the right track. To get true inheritance you should walk up the DOM tree like this:

&lt;style type=&quot;text/css&quot;&gt;
p  {font-family: wingdings;}
p.inherit {font-family: expression(inherit(this,&quot;fontFamily&quot;,&quot;times&quot;));}
&lt;/style&gt;

&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;
function inherit(element, property, defaultValue) {
&#160;&#160;function process(element) {
&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;if (!element) return defaultValue;
&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;return element.currentStyle[property] &#124;&#124; process(element.parentElement);
&#160;&#160;};
&#160;&#160;return process(element.parentElement) &#124;&#124; defaultValue;
};
&lt;/script&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ppk &#8211; you know that IE does not obey the rules so why bother quoting them. ;-)</p>
<p>Jonathon is on the right track. To get true inheritance you should walk up the DOM tree like this:</p>
<p>&lt;style type=&#8221;text/css&quot;&gt;<br />
p  {font-family: wingdings;}<br />
p.inherit {font-family: expression(inherit(this,&quot;fontFamily&quot;,&quot;times&quot;));}<br />
&lt;/style&gt;</p>
<p>&lt;script type=&quot;text/javascript&quot;&gt;<br />
function inherit(element, property, defaultValue) {<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;function process(element) {<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;if (!element) return defaultValue;<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;return element.currentStyle[property] || process(element.parentElement);<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;};<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;return process(element.parentElement) || defaultValue;<br />
};<br />
&lt;/script&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: ppk</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/04/23/inherit-expression-for-ie/#comment-139265</link>
		<dc:creator>ppk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you have to do anything?

In the case of &lt;code&gt;font-family&lt;/code&gt;, do you need to specify anything? As far as I know, the default value of &lt;code&gt;font-family&lt;/code&gt; is &lt;code&gt;inherit&lt;/code&gt; (or at least, the functionality is the same). 

Nearly every element uses the same font-family as its parent, unless you explicitly overrule it. The only exceptions are elements like &lt;code&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;/code&gt;, which have a default monospace font.

So doing nothing might be the best way of solving the &lt;code&gt;font-family&lt;/code&gt; problem. Alternatively, as Sebastian said, use &lt;code&gt;document.documentElement.currentStyle.fontFamily&lt;/code&gt; throughout the document.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have to do anything?</p>
<p>In the case of <code>font-family</code>, do you need to specify anything? As far as I know, the default value of <code>font-family</code> is <code>inherit</code> (or at least, the functionality is the same). </p>
<p>Nearly every element uses the same font-family as its parent, unless you explicitly overrule it. The only exceptions are elements like <code>&lt;code&gt;</code>, which have a default monospace font.</p>
<p>So doing nothing might be the best way of solving the <code>font-family</code> problem. Alternatively, as Sebastian said, use <code>document.documentElement.currentStyle.fontFamily</code> throughout the document.</p>
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		<title>By: thacker</title>
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		<dc:creator>thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick--

I was having issues with IE 6 and 7 only when the script was referenced via conditional commented style sheets. Changing the single quotes to double quotes, as you did, resolved the IE errors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick&#8211;</p>
<p>I was having issues with IE 6 and 7 only when the script was referenced via conditional commented style sheets. Changing the single quotes to double quotes, as you did, resolved the IE errors.</p>
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