Reset Reloaded
After a bit of time to bake and a few more suggestions from readers, I have what I’m willing to call the final version of my take on the topic of reset styles. To wit:
html, body, div, span, applet, object, iframe,
h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6, p, blockquote, pre,
a, abbr, acronym, address, big, cite, code,
del, dfn, em, font, img, ins, kbd, q, s, samp,
small, strike, strong, sub, sup, tt, var,
dl, dt, dd, ol, ul, li,
fieldset, form, label, legend,
table, caption, tbody, tfoot, thead, tr, th, td {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 0;
outline: 0;
font-weight: inherit;
font-style: inherit;
font-size: 100%;
font-family: inherit;
vertical-align: baseline;
}
/* remember to define focus styles! */
:focus {
outline: 0;
}
body {
line-height: 1;
color: black;
background: white;
}
ol, ul {
list-style: none;
}
/* tables still need 'cellspacing="0"' in the markup */
table {
border-collapse: separate;
border-spacing: 0;
}
caption, th, td {
text-align: left;
font-weight: normal;
}
blockquote:before, blockquote:after,
q:before, q:after {
content: "";
}
blockquote, q {
quotes: "" "";
}
So what changed from the last iteration?
I added
background: transparent;to the first rule. It’s probably not as necessary as some of the other bits here, but it seemed like a good thing to add.Added a
:focusrule to try to suppress link outlining. Why? So that you remember to define your own. You should make sure to define an outline, as it’s an important accessibility aid. If you have a universal default, one that applies no matter what the project, then replace my rule with your own.There’s now a
bodyrule that sets a baselineline-heightthat will be inherited by the rest of the document (and can be overridden easily), and sets a foreground and background color. Originally, I avoided setting the colors, but decided it was better to put them in. Of course, if you have preferred color defaults other than black on white, edit the declarations to suit your taste.The
a img, :link img, :visited imgrule has been dropped. This is because the only browser family it really affects is Gecko line, and they all honor author styles as having precedent over user agent styles (as they should!). So this is already covered by the first rule.Added a rule for
caption, th, tdto be left-aligned and normal-weight.Added a
blockquote, qrule to suppress quotes by way of thequotesproperty. This has the same intent as the previous rule, but approaches it along a different route.
I also asked for help in figuring out how to simulate inherit in IE/Win. In the end, it seems to me like doing so isn’t really necessary for most people. As I said before:
[The
inherit] effects, as seen in my development environment, will still serve the purpose of reminding me to build up the styles I actually want, and not use the browsers’ defaults as a crutch. There is the possibility of my forgetting that (for example) IE/Win italicizes em when I don’t want it to, but that’s something I’ll catch during the browser testing phase.
So that works for me, and I think for most people who have outlooks similar to mine. But maybe you develop primarily in IE/Win, or you really want to have IE/Win handle as many of these resets as humanly possible. In that case, you have two basic choices.
Use the script and syntax contributed by Jonathan Snook and Dean Edwards. Note, however, that Dean himself doesn’t recommend doing this, feeling that it’s too computationally expensive for such a small effect. Dean has a lot of experience with scripting around IE/Win’s limitations, so I give his views on this a lot of weight. On the other hand, I’d like to see IE/Win be able to honor
inherit, or at least get the same behavior, so I might still use the script. (Though I’d be even happier with a script that just tacked itself onto instance ofinheritin a style sheet, like Dean’s IE7 script does for other CSS stuff.)Put in your own expressions, along the lines suggested by Priit and thacker. It’s not quite the same thing, but it’s a pretty decent approximation.
Like I say, these aren’t necessary unless you’re really sold on the idea of IE/Win being forced into line with everyone else and don’t mind paying the computational overhead. If so, then you can extend your own reset styles as needed.
That’s much of the point here: that this is not a case of “everyone must use these styles in a certain way without alteration”. Nor am I saying that everyone must use them or else be cast into darkness. Remember before that I termed these “my take on the topic of reset styles” (emphasis added). Your take may be subtly or greatly different. Think of these as a starting point for creating your own defaults, in addition to being a way to illuminate the nature of browser defaults. Simply the act of taking those defaults into consideration and thinking about them closely puts you ahead of 99% of your peers. I do think that reset styles are quite useful; otherwise, I wouldn’t have written about them here, and certainly not to the extent that I have. My hope is that people will use them as a launch pad for their own resets and for deeper thinking about styling and browsers.
My thanks to everyone who commented, not just those I linked above. And yes, I’m going to get to that “weirdness of form elements” post in the near future.
Addendum 2 May 07: I edited the CSS to change background: transparent to background-image: transparent, as it was supposed to be from the outset but I somehow didn’t see in any of the three times I looked over the declarations. So I guess that makes this post now “final.0.1″.
Addendum 4 May 07: background-image: transparent? There’s a big ol’ WTF. Apparently my cold medication has warped me a lot more than I believed. I’ve taken out that whole declaration and will not be editing the styles any further until I’m off the meds. So, not quite final, apparently.
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Jim Cook wrote in to say...
I must say that I am equally as impressed with this as I am by the refining process. It was very pleasing to read the comments, to see how input helped shape the reset. Kudos to you for being so open and objective. I really am very impressed that you do not seem to subscribe much to the “Cult of Meyer” (I do, even though the robes we wear are a bit funky) and remain very open to comments and constructive criticism. You remain tremendously helpful. Thanks for this; I’ll be deploying it in my next project.
thacker wrote in to say...
Meyer–
You put a lot of thought and work into this. Put up a Paypal link — you deserve payment for this. Thank you.
I am going show some blatant ignorance with this question:
Is this reset beneficial for print and handheld media style sheets?
Thank you very much.
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Tim wrote in to say...
Another “blatantly ignorant” question. What is the best way to use this? Should you have a “resets.css” page that you link to and then link to another page that has your css? Or do you modify the “resets” as you go?
Thanks!
David Mead wrote in to say...
Thanks for the time you put into this Eric.
Though I’m going to be sticking with the “Universal Reset” for the time being, the refinements you made with the
table, :focusandblockquoteelements are great as I invariably end up writing something like that but then have to do battle with the CSS. Nice to get those things cleared off-the-bat.thacker wrote in to say...
Tim–
The way I am using it .. understand that I am not an expert so take it in that vein, please.
I use the reset as a separate style sheet with a designated media type of projection and screen. [I have done this until I gain some insight into the impact upon hand-held and print devices of this reset. Braille media types generally ignore CSS, if not mistaken.]
I use a significantly modified reset on some existing content where I have depended upon a few browser defaults, ie. list and definition types. Again, it is a separate style sheet.
Meyer has sold me on the issues of tossing browser dependency default styles and of the logic behind semantics.
During development, I toss in the inherit JavaScript IE CSS within a conditional commented style sheet. This may very well be overkill but before deployment to a production server, the IE JavaScript CSS is removed.
From there, individual style sheets are added to style the specific content.
Tim wrote in to say...
Thanks for the clarification thacker! That was going to be my initial approach but then I wondered about which style would be applied. I know if you assign the same element different styles on the same stylesheet it takes the last one, but I didn’t know how to ensure that it would take “my” style (as opposed to the reset style) when they are on different sheets.
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pepelsbey wrote in to say...
Only
border: solid 0 transparentrule can remove ugly border from FIELDSET element in Opera 7, so it may be helpful.Holger wrote in to say...
Maybe I’m just missing something, but … why not just write “html, html *” for the first rule?
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Jason wrote in to say...
Why not add padding: 0; to the td’s styles instead of requiring old-style markup? I’ll admit that I don’t know if IE will honor it in quirks mode, but I’d be willing to bet that anyone using the reset CSS will be putting IE into standards mode anyway.
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Marko wrote in to say...
Maybe it is good idea to use *{} for first rule. I use that option.
Philippe wrote in to say...
The rules for
bodycould just as well be set on the root element:html. That would be my preferred option. Any argument for targeting specificallybody?Oh, and nitpicking :-).
border:noneinstead ofborder:0, as border-style trumps other border properties.Jeff wrote in to say...
How about cursor: default; or cursor: text; ?
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Koziołek wrote in to say...
Hi!
In first rule better is:
font-size:62.5%;
Why? All popular browsers has default font size equal 16px. If we set font size equal 62.5% then font size is equal 10px at screen (but not set 10px, IE6 not resize this rule). Now we have 1em = 10px, so 1..1em=11px etc. It is easyer way to calculate font size.
// sorry for terrible language.
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Trey Philips wrote in to say...
Is there any hope for our dreaded <hr>s, our awful horizontal rules?
Brownspank wrote in to say...
I noticed that your line-height value didn’t include a unit… Isn’t a unit required for all non-zero values?
Markavian wrote in to say...
Hey, great job. I’m glad I found this - its a task I often have to approach when designing new layouts and I’d recently considered creating my own ‘reset’ file.
Its nice to see I was thinking along the same lines as other developers, and I welcome not having to write/test this in my own time.
Kind regards,
- Markavian
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Gabriel Radic wrote in to say...
Eric, you may want to include a fix for the IE button padding issues.
http://jehiah.cz/archive/button-width-in-ie
tom wrote in to say...
hm, wouldn’t it be easier, if we write something like this:
* {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 0;
outline: 0;
}
?
for the first 2 entries?
i know, with the star selector everything is catched but i always have to play with borders and fonts for input, textarea and so on.
am i on the wrong way?
thanks in advance
regards, tom
Victor Hallberg wrote in to say...
#11: Becuase you don’t want some elements (for example <input>, <select> and <textarea>) from being restyled (and break their appearance) in many cases.
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Oliver Coningham wrote in to say...
Hi,
Is anyone else still getting the header tags in IE6 and 7 as bold?
Thanks!
Jack Sleight wrote in to say...
I know it doesn’t really matter, but why are “font” and “s” included in the first rules tag list? No one should really be using these, as they’re depreciated, and if you include these, then why no the likes of “strike”, “u”, and “center”? For the same reason, why “applet”?
Jack Sleight wrote in to say...
Hmmm, oops, I just noticed you do have strike, my mistake, but I still don’t get why are some depreciated tags in there, and some not?
Gareth Adams wrote in to say...
Jack: The word is deprecated (expressed the disapproval of) rather than depreciated (reduced purchasing value) although a enough people seem to mix them up that it’s in danger of changing the meaning and blurring the distinction between the two.
While I like the idea of this stylesheet, I’m not sure I’m happy with the effect on the <q> element. While I see the reasoning, the web has been held back a lot by people pandering to IEs inability to meet particular standards. Removing the expected styling will cause people to either not use <q> (There’s no point – it does nothing) or use it incorrectly by adding their own quotation marks.
Jochen wrote in to say...
Why, thanks Eric, this looks sweet. My only suggestion would be to exclude the ol-tag from the margin reset because it will disable the browser to automatically determine the space needed based on how much space the numeration actually needs. Defining this manually is fine as long as you have control over the number of li-tags inside any given ol but if you have to deal with ol’s of varying length it can be helpful to leave this to the browser.
Jochen wrote in to say...
Woops, actually it’s the padding I was talking about, not margin.
Codmate wrote in to say...
Why not:
* {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 0;
outline: 0;
font-weight: inherit;
font-style: inherit;
font-size: 100%;
font-family: inherit;
vertical-align: baseline;
background: transparent;
}
Martin Jansson wrote in to say...
It seems that background:transparent in the first rule breaks the following rule in Explorer 6:
#head {
padding-bottom:10px;
background:url(/cimg/bkg_head.png) repeat-x 0 100%;
}
About every other time I reload the page, only half of the background image is shown. It helps if I give my #head-element layout, but if I remove background:transparent it works without giving layout.
Taras Mankovski wrote in to say...
Hello Everyone,
Does any one know, how does this compare to YUI CSS Reset? I use it everyday to see if there is an advantage to switching.
Thank you
Taras
Bruno Bergher wrote in to say...
@Philippe and Holger
If you use the Firebug extension in Firefox and select any element in a page with any * or html * declaration, you will notice the style is computated in each and everyone parent element to the one you are inspecting. It undoubtedly must create some computational overhead, and should probably be avoided.
But I’m not 100% sure on this, and probably Eric could clarify this one.
Emile wrote in to say...
Is it really necessary to name all tags for the reset, isn’t it possible to describe them as *?
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Oliver Nassar wrote in to say...
What about radio input boxes???
Jack Sleight wrote in to say...
Gareth Adams: Oops, my mistake :) . I thought it looked wrong, but I Googled it, and you’re right, a lot of people make that mistake.
Eric Meyer wrote in to say...
Some one-to-one responses. A couple of one-to-many responses (on universal selection, form elements, etc.) to follow, either as a comment or a post.
Jason: table cells have their padding zeroed in the first rule.
Philippe: ah, but
border: 0;is functionally equivalent toborder: none solid 0;, so I did what you suggest, only with three fewer characters.Jeff: an interesting suggestion, but I’m deeply wary of messing with the browser’s UI (as opposed to default document layout). One interesting fence case is the underlining of links: I intentionally don’t reset link decoration. It’s just too much like a UI behavior. My choice probably makes total sense to some, and is total nonsense to others—but the latter can always add a decoration reset.
Trey: not so far as I know. It would be nice, wouldn’t it? If someone comes up with a really good reset rule for
<hr />s, I’d love to see it.Brownspank: please see “Unitless Line Heights“.
Oliver: yes, that will happen without addding in the IE
inheritsimulators mentioned in the second half of the post. There’s no other way to un-bold them without endangering the usual inheritance behavior, as documented in earlier posts on this topic.Jack: I included deprecated elements that are inline, and things like
appletandembedbecause they still get used an awful lot. I can’t really explain why I left outcenter(for example) and keptfont. So, in the absence of any clear reason, feel free to make the alterations that suit you.Gareth: at this stage of the game, it only makes sense to strip off automatically-generated quotation marks. To some degree, it is catering to IE, but we have to cater to all browsers we support. Does anyone take issue with catering to Firefox’s (and everyone besides Safari’s) lack of support for
text-shadowby not doing white-on-white text with a black shadow? To another degree, it’s also suppressing generated content that maybe shouldn’t be generated, though that’s a huge debate we probably don’t want to have in the comments of a post. The subject of generated content in general is kind of touchy and fuzzy, all at once.Jochen: zeroing out all list indentation is intentional, even given the issue you bring up. It’s up to the author to figure out how much they need; besides, so far as I’m aware, most browsers don’t automatically calculate an indentation distance based on the number of list items.
Martin: that shouldn’t happen at all. Not that I doubt you; just there’s no CSS reason on God’s green Earth why there should be a problem. Do you have a test case you could post, along with information on which IE versions evince the problem? Thanks!
Dirk wrote in to say...
After a troublesome approach of achieving consistent flexible forms, I’m looking forward to it, Eric! We are about to discuss the reset of form elements at the (german speaking) SELFHTML-Blog right now. In my opinion, it’s not that beneficial to touch them and therefore lose their default browser styles - at least concerning the borders. That’s why I’m really interested in your upcoming thoughts about resetting form elements.
Scott Cropper wrote in to say...
A lot of you commenting about the use of * instead of listing individual tags needs to read a prior post of Eric’s, “Reset Reasoning”.
Steven Garrity wrote in to say...
I too wondered how this compares to the Yahoo Interface Library (YUI) CSS Reset.
Eric, can you elaborate on why you may have chosen not to use (or build on) the YUI CSS Reset?
Thanks.
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Eric Meyer wrote in to say...
And now, the one-to-many responses.
To those who advocated using the universal selector, please see the post “Reset Reasoning” for an explanation of why I specifically don’t want to use the universal selector. Some disagree with me, and that’s no problem. The fifth paragraph in that post, beginning with “This is why so many people zero out their padding and margins on everything by way of the universal selector.”, is where I address that particular point.
That’s also where I explain why I left out various form elements like
inputandtextarea. I haven’t dug into that topic in detail yet, but I at least give a high-level overview of the reasons as part of that post.For those who asked about a comparison of this to Yahoo!’s reset.css, I mentioned in “Reset Styles” that their styles go too far in some areas, and not far enough in others (in my opinion, of course). I started with their styles and made the changes I thought were needed or desirable. So you could consider my work a variant on theirs, or a fork, or a sequel, or maybe just an alternative.
I hope this helps clear things up a bit.
Steel Frog wrote in to say...
Finally a solution that will cure my textarea/input woes! Thank you!
PENIX wrote in to say...
Glad to see someone making a standard base for css in an “open source” fashion. Can’t wait for final version 2.0.
Martin Jansson wrote in to say...
I’ve made a test case for my Explorer bug, take a look at http://marja.se/tests/reset.
As I said in my previous comment, the background image of my #head div disappears when I have
background: transparentin my main reset rule, but it appears if I give the element layout. However, if I remove the background declaration from the rule, the image shows up as it should, even without layout.I’m running IE6.0.2900..2180 on Windows XP under Parallels in Mac OSX. The bug is also present in my stand alone version of IE5.5 in the same environment.
Alfred wrote in to say...
Doing this will probably makes the page take more time to render… someone confirm this
Eric Meyer wrote in to say...
Thanks, Martin! I’ll hit it with various versions of IE and see what transpires.
Not likely, Alfred—at least, not so much slower that it would be perceptible to humans—but I’d like confirmation one way or the other myself. If using reset styles does cause a perceptible slowdown in multiple browsers, that’s obviously something people should know.
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Joe wrote in to say...
I’m a little confused, so I just have a question. Why would we want CSS to remove quotes from Q tags, when browsers are supposed to insert the quotes and nest them on their own? If we have CSS remove those quotes, then content authors are more likely to insert their own quotes into the document. But, the very idea of inserting quotes into Q tags goes against the (W3C) way of using Q tags.
I know that IE bungles this, but I get the feeling like your solution just encourages improper use of the Q tag, violating the above statement. Would you explain this decision for us? Thanks.
Stefan Klose wrote in to say...
Great Work, Eric. But what about some quite uncommon things like cursors and auditive elements?
Tim Wright wrote in to say...
Good stuff Eric, I remember you talking a little about this at AEA-Boston.
This is how I deal with my <hr/> tags:
<style type="text/css">
hr{
border: 0;
border-top: 1px solid #555;
margin: 0;
height: 1px;
}
</style>
<!–[if IE]>
<style type="text/css">
hr{ position:relative; top:-7px;}
hr + *{ position:relative; top:-14px; }
</style>
<![endif]–>
This doesn’t work in IE6, but I imagine dean edwards’ script can deal with that. It’s still pretty close.
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thacker wrote in to say...
The Martin background transparency issue, also, affects IE7. Whenever a color value, including transparency, is assigned to the background element within the reset.css, the background image is not recognized within IE [the inherit value aside]. Its gets even more strange — if JavaScript is used to assign a transparency value to background within the reset.css, the issue does not occur within IE — and the JavaScript CSS is only recognized by IE from what I understand. I have no idea what is going on or why.
db wrote in to say...
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I thought it was relevant - I use Tantek Celik’s undohtml (formatted file: undohtml.css). It’s similar to what you are doing here, but not as hardcore.
(Minor side note: the URL to Tantek broke your comment preview.)
Eric Meyer wrote in to say...
Oh, bother. The
background: transparentwas supposed to be abackground-image: transparentand with that change, it shouldn’t cause any problems (I hope!). I hereby nominate myself for “World’s Worst Self-Editor” for not catching that; I’ve updated the post accordingly and will addend the post to say so.Bertilo Wennergren wrote in to say...
I just tested this with a 10,000-item “ol”-list and no CSS. All three browsers that I tested it in (Firefox2, MSIE6 and MSIE7) failed to calculate a suitable indent. But the problems started at 10,000. Everything up to that was OK.
But that was with a default font-size! If I up the font-size a bit. The problems start much earlier.
Adding the reset CSS made things worse, of course.
But no big deal in real-life, I guess.
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Dan wrote in to say...
Eric, how do you feel about the YUI font stylesheet? In your opinion does it (or something like it) have a place along-side your reset stylesheet?
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Thanks for putting this together, mate. I’ve always had trouble with resetting my CSS, but now it’s a piece of cake.
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amine wrote in to say...
What are you using background-image: transparent; for ?
Patrick Teague wrote in to say...
Anybody know how to get a:focus (or like IE - a:active) to work in Opera? I seem to just be getting a default “
background-color: #0a246a; color: #fff“… Or is this unchangeable behaviour like Safari & forms?Jason wrote in to say...
Blah. Head-cold had me in a daze for a few days. Confused
cellpaddingwithcellspacing, and then didn’t bother to check what I was saying anyway. Having just run a check in Win/Ff, Win/IE6 and Win/Opera, I’ve found you don’t need to usecellspacingif you use theborder-collapseandborder-spacingrules, even in quirks mode, so you can most likely delete that comment.I’d personally add
empty-cells: showto that sheet, but that’s a personal preference based on how I’ve always figured table cells ought to behave (I always thought it was dumb to have to put a into a cell to make it appear correctly back in the pre-CSS days).And if I can rehash an old complaint? Please do something about that preview area. It pins my 2.4 GHz P4 Celeron at 100% for almost a minute while refusing to accept keystrokes in the textarea after a while. Editing my comment in Notepad is really annoying for something that nearly every other comment system in the world pushes to a new page. (Blogger, I think, doesn’t, and it has the same problem. Luckily for me, I never feel the need to comment on Blogger blogs.)
Eric Meyer wrote in to say...
Jason: IE/Win ignored
border-collapse,border-spacing, andempty-cellsat last check (see http://www.quirksmode.org/css/tables.html), which is why I put in the comment. If they’re supported in your copy of IE, you must have found the super-secret full CSS support install that everyone else would also like to have.Also, I’ll be happy to replace my preview area plugin when someone points me to a better one for WordPress (and it needs to be be a plugin). The one I have now doesn’t cause any slowdowns in my browsers, but then I’m on a Mac. It does cause weirdness in Safari when there are links in the comment, but since I haven’t found a better one yet, I’ve lived with it.
nanang wrote in to say...
How about the scroller bar??
Simon Douglas wrote in to say...
Very comprehensive list of styles.
Like amine, I wonder why you have changed from background: transparent to background-image: transparent. The main problem with the latter is that it won’t validate.
Eric Meyer wrote in to say...
What scroller bar, nanang?
I think my cold medication has wacked me out a lot further than I thought. You’re absolutely right, Simon. Rather than edit it again, I’m taking it out until after the cold has passed.
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Rick wrote in to say...
transparentis not an allowed value forbackground-imageI assume you meant
background-image: none???Jeff wrote in to say...
I may have just missed it, but is there a license on this?
thacker wrote in to say...
Those small inconsistencies that don’t validate and produce errors or warnings, such as proprietary properties or the
{background-image:transparent}declaration, place them within a separate style sheet titled, nonvalid.css or some other adequately titled style sheet.Knowing that any particular code chunk, script, style, whatever will produce an error or warning is important.
Standards are not so dogmatic that judicious deviation from them is never justified. Knowledge of why the deviation was made, adequate reference and notation of the deviations for future changes that may be necessary and the insurance that any error/warning does not adversely impact rendering of the content are probably more important criteria.
The background-image declaration, for example, is important to me. It may not be important to others. The Meyer Reset is a starting point. It is intended for adjustment for individual coding style, project dependency, etc. It will aid in creating consistency of rendering between user agents. It will not guarantee that any given design will render exactly the same between user agents particularly in complex designs. Nothing will do that. Close is good enough with design used for Web browser dependent communication.
Thank you very much.
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John Schuster wrote in to say...
here is a style reset I always use:
u {
text-decoration: none;
background: #FFFF00;
padding-right: 2px;
padding-left: 2px;
}
Awesome CSS Code Thanks for posting this!
Jason wrote in to say...
Eric:
border-spacingis ignored in Win/IE if you don’t useborder-collapse. Team the two declarations up and you’re just fine. Ditto forempty-cells. By itself, an empty <td> doesn’t appear; in conjunction withborder-collapse: collapseit works just fine. Apparentlyborder-collapsehas a little voodoo with it. I’ve put up a demo on my site to show what I’m talking about. In fact, it looks like quirksmode.org is saying the opposite of what you’re saying:cellspacingoverridesborder-collapsebut isn’t required to make it work. I’d say thatempty-cellsneeds to be changed to “incomplete” at least for IE6 (I’d presume IE7 as well, barring a regression).As for the “better” preview, I was thinking of what you usually see in web forums: you click a preview button, and you go to a preview page to look at what you typed, and the text-editor is pre-filled for you if you want to make changes. I realize it’s probably a Javascript issue with Ff 2.0.0.3 causing the slowness, but it doesn’t make things less annoying for me.
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Martin wrote in to say...
I think Brownspank (#23) has a good point. Why doesn’t the line-height value have a unit. Setting it to just ‘1′ seems odd, any particular reason for doing that?
Martin wrote in to say...
Ouch, sorry I didn’t see your reply as a I searched the comments for a reply only on the word ‘line-height’…
Sibran wrote in to say...
I have added the clearfix to my reset.css file, for me, it’s a standard.
/*///////////////////////////////// CLEARFIX ///*/
.clearfix:after {
content: “.”;
display: block;
height: 0;
clear: both;
visibility: hidden;
}
.clearfix {display: inline-block;}
/* Hides from IE-mac \*/
* html .clearfix {height: 1%;}
.clearfix {display: block;}
/* End hide from IE-mac */
Webice wrote in to say...
Very cool reset.
I’m happy that you had perfected the method of reseting styles.
David Hellsing wrote in to say...
There are lots of things to address here:
1. font-family: inherit; doesn’t work in opera or IE6. font: inherit; works but not in IE.
2. There are still default styles set for a, b, code, del, ins, i, s, strike, u, textarea (font face), isindex, menu, dir etc.
Shouldn’t they be addressed too?
The idea of disabling all visual styles is appealing, especially with deprecated tags so the author can decide how each tag will be displayed or not. Are you purposely missing some deprecated tags? You are fiddling around with the font tag, why?
Here is my take. and here is a HTML sample.
Red wrote in to say...
A couple of points. I have been using resets similar to this for a while now, and was just about to upgrade mine to the Yahoo reset-min.css when I saw this post.
I have performed a scary operation and put your version into one of my clients sites and found that it has made things better, though looking at my old code I am unsure as to why - and that is the scary part.
I am hoping that it is something to do with the ‘inherit’ in my fonts.css (based on tha Yahoo css)
A note now to Koziołek regarding font-size:62.5%;
I believe I know why you want to do this. Making the baseline font equal to 10px makes sizing divs which will expand on ctrl+ very simple, however if you really need this, there are some problems…
Firstly IE - try it, and size a div to 700px, then to 70em - they are not the same width in ie!
Secondly, I recall a few years ago doing a load of work regarding the Mac/Win font-size issue, then going to my sisters Mac and finding that my work had been mostly a waste of time, and that the font sizes were consistent across the platforms for almost all the browsers I tested. (Maybe someone can explain this to me - has something changed in Mac OSX, or do Safari/Camino take the dpi into account?), but for IE there was definitely an issue.
I hope the below sorts this out once and for all, though it is unbelievably inelegant.
An outer-wrap div, enclosing an inner-wrap div in the markup, then:
/* reset the font sizes to the base font size that we want */
body {font-size : 100.01%;} /* For Stupid Opera */
body {font-size : 62.5%;} /* Resets 1em=10px: */
#outer-wrap {*font-size:101%;} /* For Stupid IE */
#inner-wrap {font-size:100%;}
rather unnecessarily (I think) I then put in conditional comments, a stylesheet for Non-IE with:
body {font-size : 10px;} /* for Konqueror, I hope this doesn’t screw up any other browsers */
After this I use a stylesheet to set font sizes specifically for elements like p, tables, forms etc, but take good care with these, as you may sometimes find some strange results when tables contain form elements etc.
I await the barrage of comments pointing out my lack of understanding, but thanks to blogs like these, I am starting to get it… cheers Eric.
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Tim Hettler wrote in to say...
It might be worth adding
position: relativeto all ul, ol and dl elements. It solves some bugs associated with floated list-items in IE and doesn’t create a negative affect on other browsers.Tim wrote in to say...
I have seen articles advocating 76%, 62.5%, and so on. So, why font-size 100%?
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Billee D. wrote in to say...
Thanks Eric! I find myself using some form of reset CSS more often these days, mostly due to experimentation with vertical rhythm and trying to “set type” on a computer screen. Your collection of reset styles seems to be more closely aligned to what I use as opposed to the Yahoo! resets. I admit that I too was a little surprised to see the FONT declaration and its’ brethren in there, but I also realize that there are still quite a few CMS’s (and their embedded WYSIWYG editors) that produce bad markup. At least this will give the author some control over those pesky deprecated tags.
As always, you rock! Thanks again for sharing your insight.
Christian wrote in to say...
Maybe Yahoo! can update their reset file based on Eric’s suggestions here. Just started using the Yahoo one by linking directly to it and hope that they will always update it according to the best and most current wisdom.
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Sherwin Techico wrote in to say...
Great writeup Eric. I’ve been personally using a revision that rooted from Shaun Inman’s summer/reset CSS presentation a while back. Meanwhile,
What % of browsers have the same setting for those form elements? Is it too big that using the universal selector might be a step backward? Thanks, and I look forward to your reply.
Adam Craven wrote in to say...
As Jason mentions, the reason why you still have to use cellspacing=”0″ is due to the fact that border-collapse:seperate; should actually be border-collapse:collapse; This brings all browsers into line and the spacing with IE will disappear.
Sherwin Techico wrote in to say...
In terms of tables, I seem to find myself consistently using the following in my reset:
table{border-collapse:collapse;border-spacing:0;width:100%;}Do you see drawbacks in setting that width to 100%?Received from mcdave.net » links for 2007-05-18
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Sherwin Techico wrote in to say...
For comment #115, I just saw this: “Formal Weirdness“
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Sherwin Techico wrote in to say...
I think this might be of great help too:
ol {list-style-position: inside;}@Tim: Regarding the position:relative for ul, ol, and dl–I would think that’s more of a IE/Win bugfix than a “reset” rule. It helps to know though, and would be great for your IE-filter CSS files.
Sherwin Techico wrote in to say...
Regarding my ol’s list-style-position, I guess this is more of a workaround to deal with situations where your list goes from 1-digit to 2-digits, to 3 and so on. That is, no need to keep changing margin-left as the list grows. Though it makes the ol quite weird looking, it does the job.
Unless… there’s a better way?
Egor Kloos wrote in to say...
I’m really not a fan of resetting styles. It causes so many maintenance issues that in the end it is not worth it.
Setting patterns is fine, I do that all the time. Zeroing or resetting is just not a good idea. At least not on the scale that is done here.
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heulman wrote in to say...
I read lot of comments about bugs with background: transparent;
Of course, background is a shorthand property.
What about using background-color: transparent;
heulman
jmjjg wrote in to say...
Many thanks for your reset sheet.
While testing with Konqueror 3.5.5, I noticed I had to add
font-variant:normal;to the first rule (forabbrandacronym).Also with Konqueror 3.5.5, the
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Tom wrote in to say...
In working up http://teall.tom-mcgee.com/teall3.html, I was getting annoyed at how the masthead (an h1) looked fat, while the large headline (a span) was nice and slim, despite calling the same font.
If I change the
font-weight: inherit;
to
font-weight: normal;
I can get them to match.
Alejandro Moreno wrote in to say...
Like heulman said about background. It’s a shorthand property that is not very well supported when you don’t specify all the values (unlike border, for example).
The first rule could be as heulman suggested, or specify it fully like so:
background: transparent none repeat scroll left top;… and then
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Sam Phillips wrote in to say...
What about:
html, body { height: 100% }
discuss…
Ivan Zhekov wrote in to say...
I know it’s kinda of topic. Below is a reset rule for the “hr” element:
hr {
border: 0;
height: 1px;
background: black;
color: black;
}
If you wonder why there is a color attribute it’s because of the way IE family interprets the “hr” element. I came with this idea back in the days, but haven’t used it at all. I usually don’t use “hr” elements, or if I do — I am not concerned with how it looks.
I hope you find it useful.
Sam Phillips wrote in to say...
re: #148
html, body { height: 100% }
scratch that!
I was having a brain fart.
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Raine wrote in to say...
The :focus rule causes performance problems in Opera 9.01. I have a CSS dropdown menu which runs fine normally but slow ways down with the :focus rule.
Otherwise, great reset sheet.
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MoNKi wrote in to say...
@nanang:
For the scroll bar use this
html{width: 100%;
margin-bottom: 1px;
}
This force the vertical scrollbar on firefox (like in IE) and fixes visual movements when changing from small pages to big pages (no scrollbar->scrollbar), for example on centered pages.
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Coder wrote in to say...
I first used reset about a month ago.
Since then i have really done some great cross browser website builds
Bert wrote in to say...
Good stuff, but I’m wondering about the font-size: 100%;
Assuming we are not to assume anything when it comes to cross-browser AND cross-version stuff, is 100% really a “reset”? This would actually (if I understand it right) set the font-size to the UA-default. Wouldn’t a “true reset” be supposed to make the font-size equal in all browsers? In other words it should be UA independant.
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aljuk wrote in to say...
Apologies for such a basic question, but I’m curious as to why you’ve included “html” in the reset declaration. Everything in the visible page is included within “body”, so why define “html” as well? Is there some inherent padding/margin within the page but outside of “body”, or is there some other reason? This is really puzzling me - if someone could enlighten me I’d be very grateful.
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sjappo wrote in to say...
Hi,
Is it possible to apply this reset-css on a single div (and everything in i