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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Who Ordered mnemonics?&lt;/b&gt;
Since L and V are commutative V-L-H-F-A is just alphabetical reverse order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Who Ordered mnemonics?</b><br />
Since L and V are commutative V-L-H-F-A is just alphabetical reverse order.</p>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2007-06-14 - Veldig Bra</dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator>Pritthish Chakraborty</dc:creator>
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		<description>Lord Voldemort Has Foul Ambitions  

lol, nice to see Harry Potter is getting a little more exposure :P</description>
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<p>lol, nice to see Harry Potter is getting a little more exposure :P</p>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about you, but I Loved Van Halen&#039;s First Album.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but I Loved Van Halen&#8217;s First Album.</p>
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		<dc:creator>webtouch.dk &#187; Linkfarver der skifter efter klik</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] gode måder at bruge a:visited på, uden at det behøver ødelægge designet (husk i øvrigt altid LoVeHAte reglen, og spar dig selv for mange timers [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] gode måder at bruge a:visited på, uden at det behøver ødelægge designet (husk i øvrigt altid LoVeHAte reglen, og spar dig selv for mange timers [...]</p>
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		<dc:creator>C.C.</dc:creator>
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		<description>Back in the day (late &#039;90s-2000), when I was just starting out with CSS and only used LVHA, I trained a co-worker named Larry who himself came up with &quot;Larry&#039;s Very Hairy, Actually&quot;. It&#039;s worked for me ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the day (late &#8217;90s-2000), when I was just starting out with CSS and only used LVHA, I trained a co-worker named Larry who himself came up with &#8220;Larry&#8217;s Very Hairy, Actually&#8221;. It&#8217;s worked for me ever since.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dobres</dc:creator>
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		<description>Lord Vader Hates Foolish Admirals

He chokes them to death left and right.  Furry animals?  Come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Vader Hates Foolish Admirals</p>
<p>He chokes them to death left and right.  Furry animals?  Come on.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Ivan Zhekov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LoVe?!? Hell, F**k All ;) Of course it would be better to have a non-swear phrase that is easy to remember.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LoVe?!? Hell, F**k All ;) Of course it would be better to have a non-swear phrase that is easy to remember.</p>
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		<description>Somewhere along the line I learned it as &lt;strong&gt;L&lt;/strong&gt;ove &lt;strong&gt;V&lt;/strong&gt;egetables, &lt;strong&gt;H&lt;/strong&gt;ate &lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;sparagus.
So, just add a little coarse language and it becomes &lt;strong&gt;L&lt;/strong&gt;ove &lt;strong&gt;V&lt;/strong&gt;egetables, (&lt;strong&gt;H&lt;/strong&gt;ate) &lt;strong&gt;F&lt;/strong&gt;**king &lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;sparagus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere along the line I learned it as <strong>L</strong>ove <strong>V</strong>egetables, <strong>H</strong>ate <strong>A</strong>sparagus.<br />
So, just add a little coarse language and it becomes <strong>L</strong>ove <strong>V</strong>egetables, (<strong>H</strong>ate) <strong>F</strong>**king <strong>A</strong>sparagus.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice Levesque</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrice Levesque</dc:creator>
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		<description>Link Value Hint For Authors

Lazy Visitors Hate Following Anchors</description>
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<p>Lazy Visitors Hate Following Anchors</p>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;L&lt;/strong&gt;ouis
&lt;strong&gt;V&lt;/strong&gt;uitton
&lt;strong&gt;H&lt;/strong&gt;andbags
&lt;strong&gt;F&lt;/strong&gt;or
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;ll
or

&lt;strong&gt;L&lt;/strong&gt;ittle
&lt;strong&gt;V&lt;/strong&gt;ermin
&lt;strong&gt;H&lt;/strong&gt;ave
&lt;strong&gt;F&lt;/strong&gt;urry
&lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt;*****es</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>L</strong>ouis<br />
<strong>V</strong>uitton<br />
<strong>H</strong>andbags<br />
<strong>F</strong>or<br />
<strong>A</strong>ll<br />
or</p>
<p><strong>L</strong>ittle<br />
<strong>V</strong>ermin<br />
<strong>H</strong>ave<br />
<strong>F</strong>urry<br />
<strong>A</strong>*****es</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
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		<description>Lost Vulcans Have FOund Apathy
Las Vegas Has Fun Aplenty
Laurie Vouchsafed Her Friend Annette
Louis V Had Fun Abroad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lost Vulcans Have FOund Apathy<br />
Las Vegas Has Fun Aplenty<br />
Laurie Vouchsafed Her Friend Annette<br />
Louis V Had Fun Abroad</p>
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		<dc:creator>Søren Hansen</dc:creator>
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		<description>Little Vladimir Hunger For Acceptance
LoVe, Happiness Follows After
LoVe, Hate, Fruits Aplenty</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little Vladimir Hunger For Acceptance<br />
LoVe, Happiness Follows After<br />
LoVe, Hate, Fruits Aplenty</p>
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		<dc:creator>Jonty</dc:creator>
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		<description>Lord Vader&#039;s Handle Formerly Anakin ... so geeky!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Vader&#8217;s Handle Formerly Anakin &#8230; so geeky!</p>
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		<dc:creator>Mat Jakob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Brian&#039;s comment. I first learned about it at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mezzoblue.com/css/cribsheet/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dave Sheas CSS Crib Sheet&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Brian&#8217;s comment. I first learned about it at <a href="http://www.mezzoblue.com/css/cribsheet/" rel="nofollow">Dave Sheas CSS Crib Sheet</a>.</p>
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<p>
Thanks to everyone who <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/04/ordering-the-link-states/#comments">shared their thinking</a> on <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/04/ordering-the-link-states/">the ordering of link states</a>.  It looks like a minority of people were in favor of my preferred ordering, which is: <strong>L</strong>ink-<strong>V</strong>isited-<strong>H</strong>over-<strong>F</strong>ocus-<strong>A</strong>ctive.
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The reasoning is fairly straightforward, and starts with the assumption that a person who uses solely a keyboard to navigate won&#8217;t ever encounter a hover effect.  Thus, for such users, the states might as well simply be LVFA.  For them, the placement of the hover styles is irrelevant.
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On the flip side, a person using a mouse to navigate will have far more links in hover states than focus states.  Once a link is selected (clicked) by a mouse-wielder, the link enters the active state until the user lets go of the mouse button.  Then it&#8217;s both in focus and hovered, at least until the mouse cursor moves away.  (It&#8217;s also either visited or unvisited, but that&#8217;s not relevant to the question at hand.)
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<p>
So in this situation, I want to provide a visual cue that the link has in fact been clicked, even though the mouse button is no longer down.  I want this to happen regardless of the hover states of the link.  Therefore, the focus styles need to come <em>after</em> the hover styles.  If not, the focus color will only take effect once the mouse moves away from the link, thus exiting the hover state and removing the hover color.
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<p>
Yes, this will only take hold in browsers that update the focus state while asking for the requested page.  While that isn&#8217;t all browsers, it&#8217;s most of them, from what I can tell.  Safari 2.x seems to be the notable exception.  (I didn&#8217;t test 1.x, and haven&#8217;t installed 3.x yet because I don&#8217;t want to lose 2.x.)
</p>
<p>
So what mnemonics can we use to keep this ordering straight?  I&#8217;ve come up with a few.
</p>

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<li>LoVe&#8217;s Hurts Fade Away</li>
<li>Luther Vandross Hits Fabulous Arpeggios</li>
<li>Lord Vader Hates Furry Animals</li>
<li>Lusty Vampires Hunger For Absinthe</li>
<li>Lord Voldemort Has Foul Ambitions</li>
</ul>

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<li><a href="http://tweetagewasteland.com/2010/03/my-head-is-in-the-cloud/" title="March 18 | &#8220;I sense that my addiction to the realtime stream is only making room for the consumption of a faster stream.&#8221;">My Head is in the Cloud</a> <small>[via <a href="http://daringfireball.net/">John</a>]</small></li>
<li><a href="http://8bitnyc.com/" title="March 17 | All of a sudden I want to establish a mission in Central Park and negotiate with the natives for gold and food.">8-Bit NYC</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFicqklGuB0&amp;feature=player_embedded" title="March 12 | Wry comment expressing my appreciation of the creative derivativeness of this video and its uncanny accuracy in mocking common tropes.">Academy Award Winning Movie Trailer</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU" title="March 9 | &#8220;Apple juice&#8230; for half price!&#8221;  More like twice PRICELESS.  (Note: If you&#8217;re at work, don your headphones.)">Happy in Paraguay</a> <small>[via <a href="http://unstoppablerobotninja.com/">Ethan</a>]</small></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V5ubAOeOBk&amp;feature=player_embedded" title="February 10 | This is approximately the best thing ever.">U900 -Walk Don&#8217;t Run (Isogabamaware)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/201002/sifr_default_css_hides_content_from_at_least_one_screen_reader/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A 456bereastreet %28456 Berea Street%29" title="February 8 | -9999px comes through again, but I really wish we were beyond that kind of thing.">sIFR default CSS hides content from at least one screen reader</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20100117064356428" title="February 8 | Storing this for future use.">Take a picture with the iSight camera when a folder is opened</a></li>
<li><a href="http://mingle2.com/blog/view/web-developer-mind" title="February 4 | Mostly valid.  (SEE WHAT I DID THERE?)">The Mind of a Web Developer: An Illustrated Diagram</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/science_channel_refuses_to_dumb" title="January 28 | &#8220;Punkin Chunkin, for Christ&#8217;s sake&#8230; What more do you people want?&#8221;">Science Channel Refuses To Dumb Down Science Any Further</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.mailchimp.com/blog/project-omnivore-declassified/" title="January 27 | Sounds like quite a feat.  But I wonder how we&#8217;d feel if Microsoft or Google announced the same kind of thing on their e-mail services.">MailChimp&#8217;s Project Omnivore: Declassified</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/25/carolyn-maloney/congresswoman-says-democratic-presidents-create-mo/" title="January 26 | &#8220;Obviously, luck matters a lot, but when there is a consistent pattern over more than 60 years, it starts to look like more than just luck.&#8221;">Congresswoman says Democratic presidents create more private-sector jobs</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_mali_what_teachers_make.html" title="January 25 | Truth.">Taylor Mali: What teachers make</a></li>
<li><a href="http://notebook.johnmartz.com/how-websites-work?c=1" title="January 22 | At last, the truth is out and I can stop pretending:  beatific monkeys are what makes it all go.">How websites work</a></li>
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