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		<title>By: YerNoseMeetBrick</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-329029</link>
		<dc:creator>YerNoseMeetBrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang MacSnacker, you have &lt;b&gt;seriously&lt;/b&gt; got to bump up the Ritalin dosage.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang MacSnacker, you have <b>seriously</b> got to bump up the Ritalin dosage.  ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: salt and lemon, with a pinch of css &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More browser testing?</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-322876</link>
		<dc:creator>salt and lemon, with a pinch of css &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More browser testing?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a beta version of Safari 3 for Windows users. It&#8217;s a good looking browser, but does it work? Eric Meyer has some doubts. Although I was pleased to see that none of my websites were [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a beta version of Safari 3 for Windows users. It&#8217;s a good looking browser, but does it work? Eric Meyer has some doubts. Although I was pleased to see that none of my websites were [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abhishek</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-276078</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhishek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We support Safari on Mac platform for our web-site. Is testing Safari on Windows equivalent (at least at this point of time) to testing the browser in Safari?

Thanks
Abhishek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We support Safari on Mac platform for our web-site. Is testing Safari on Windows equivalent (at least at this point of time) to testing the browser in Safari?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Abhishek</p>
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		<title>By: MacSnacker</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-235503</link>
		<dc:creator>MacSnacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Safari on Windows is not just unstable, it is deliberately deceptive:

When you select the option &quot;Accept Cookies: NEVER&quot;, it does not honor that: it stores cookies permanently ANYWAY.  (That is why the &quot;show cookies&quot; button is disabled... so you don&#039;t notice that you are being lied to).  Apple was sued in 2004 for deliberately using an Eminem song in an iTunes commercial after permission had been denied... so the company appears to have an official policy of acting in bad faith. [1]*  Apple&#039;s &quot;Safari wardrobe malfunction&quot; is likewise deliberate--because if it was not, the &quot;Accept Cookies: NEVER&quot; option would be disabled too (not just the &quot;show cookies&quot; option).

If, by fraudulent labeling, your software claims that it does something which it does not, isn&#039;t that false advertising?  (And for the purpose of litigation, does it even matter if Apple&#039;s false advertising was intended for marketing gains, or for corporate espionage?)  It&#039;s just not credible that this was a simple mistake--and now that we have prima facie evidence of the company&#039;s dishonesty, we have to wonder if Safari is collecting OTHER information about our online activities and transmiting it back to Apple.  They could be electronically sifting through all of this to determine who is reading what... or who is talking about what Apple is doing.  The possibility is not mere fantasy, because we already learned that Apple&#039;s management is psychotically-paranoid about &quot;leaks&quot; when they threatened to sue bloggers and website operators just for talking about what might be included in the next version of MacOS (leopard). [2]*

Apple&#039;s management has clearly gone insane: they are overwhelmed with paranoia about software competition, without any justification.  What can realistically &quot;compete&quot; with MacOS?  Linux?  ---Different versions of Linux have incompatible applications and installers!  That&#039;s not a threat.  ---Windows, then?  ...Ridiculous!  The basic Windows architecture is fatally-flawed, and Microsoft is too busy trying to fix serious bugs at the most fundamental level of the OS to worry about improving the user-interface in the near-term.  Windows dominates the market ONLY because Apple won&#039;t license MacOS to PC manufacturers: it is common knowledge that the &quot;appeal&quot; of Windows has always been linked to the freedom to choose a hardware vendor, not any kind of superior technology.  Besides, the next Windows release of any significance is years away.  As always, it will perform worse and cost more than the previous version (and it will be pathetically unstable).  In comparison to the alternatives, MacOS X is already so superior that there is nothing worth hiding about planned improvements... and yet Apple is obsessed with silencing even POSITIVE criticism of it!  There is just no polite way to put this: it is absolute madness... and if they are that crazy, there&#039;s no telling what else they might do for the sake of this paranoia.  Apple sure has some great engineers, but the company&#039;s directors have lost their minds, and this Safari browser trickery only serves to underscore the point.  Honestly, don&#039;t they have anything better to do with their time?!

*[1] www.macobserver.com/article/2004/02/24.16.shtml
*[2] http://apcmag.com/6659/how_apple_controls_the_media_legal_threats_and_bullying</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Safari on Windows is not just unstable, it is deliberately deceptive:</p>
<p>When you select the option &#8220;Accept Cookies: NEVER&#8221;, it does not honor that: it stores cookies permanently ANYWAY.  (That is why the &#8220;show cookies&#8221; button is disabled&#8230; so you don&#8217;t notice that you are being lied to).  Apple was sued in 2004 for deliberately using an Eminem song in an iTunes commercial after permission had been denied&#8230; so the company appears to have an official policy of acting in bad faith. [1]*  Apple&#8217;s &#8220;Safari wardrobe malfunction&#8221; is likewise deliberate&#8211;because if it was not, the &#8220;Accept Cookies: NEVER&#8221; option would be disabled too (not just the &#8220;show cookies&#8221; option).</p>
<p>If, by fraudulent labeling, your software claims that it does something which it does not, isn&#8217;t that false advertising?  (And for the purpose of litigation, does it even matter if Apple&#8217;s false advertising was intended for marketing gains, or for corporate espionage?)  It&#8217;s just not credible that this was a simple mistake&#8211;and now that we have prima facie evidence of the company&#8217;s dishonesty, we have to wonder if Safari is collecting OTHER information about our online activities and transmiting it back to Apple.  They could be electronically sifting through all of this to determine who is reading what&#8230; or who is talking about what Apple is doing.  The possibility is not mere fantasy, because we already learned that Apple&#8217;s management is psychotically-paranoid about &#8220;leaks&#8221; when they threatened to sue bloggers and website operators just for talking about what might be included in the next version of MacOS (leopard). [2]*</p>
<p>Apple&#8217;s management has clearly gone insane: they are overwhelmed with paranoia about software competition, without any justification.  What can realistically &#8220;compete&#8221; with MacOS?  Linux?  &#8212;Different versions of Linux have incompatible applications and installers!  That&#8217;s not a threat.  &#8212;Windows, then?  &#8230;Ridiculous!  The basic Windows architecture is fatally-flawed, and Microsoft is too busy trying to fix serious bugs at the most fundamental level of the OS to worry about improving the user-interface in the near-term.  Windows dominates the market ONLY because Apple won&#8217;t license MacOS to PC manufacturers: it is common knowledge that the &#8220;appeal&#8221; of Windows has always been linked to the freedom to choose a hardware vendor, not any kind of superior technology.  Besides, the next Windows release of any significance is years away.  As always, it will perform worse and cost more than the previous version (and it will be pathetically unstable).  In comparison to the alternatives, MacOS X is already so superior that there is nothing worth hiding about planned improvements&#8230; and yet Apple is obsessed with silencing even POSITIVE criticism of it!  There is just no polite way to put this: it is absolute madness&#8230; and if they are that crazy, there&#8217;s no telling what else they might do for the sake of this paranoia.  Apple sure has some great engineers, but the company&#8217;s directors have lost their minds, and this Safari browser trickery only serves to underscore the point.  Honestly, don&#8217;t they have anything better to do with their time?!</p>
<p>*[1] <a href="http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/02/24.16.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/02/24.16.shtml</a><br />
*[2] <a href="http://apcmag.com/6659/how_apple_controls_the_media_legal_threats_and_bullying" rel="nofollow">http://apcmag.com/6659/how_apple_controls_the_media_legal_threats_and_bullying</a></p>
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		<title>By: S. Ali Tokmen</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-230659</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Ali Tokmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 11:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just tried out Safari 3.0.3 on Windows 2000. It really is the fastest browser I&#039;ve ever seen, mostly its speed for CSS&#039; special effects is awesome.

Cheers

S. Ali Tokmen
http://ali.tokmen.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just tried out Safari 3.0.3 on Windows 2000. It really is the fastest browser I&#8217;ve ever seen, mostly its speed for CSS&#8217; special effects is awesome.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>S. Ali Tokmen<br />
<a href="http://ali.tokmen.com/" rel="nofollow">http://ali.tokmen.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: nurasto</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-214076</link>
		<dc:creator>nurasto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 02:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty happy when knowing Safari is available in Windows. I could test my web application into several browser across OSes before deploying to client. When I open my web application in Safari for Windows I get many glitches in layout but I still waiting for next alpha or beta or gamma or whatever version. I need this browser to test my web application because I can&#039;t buy Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty happy when knowing Safari is available in Windows. I could test my web application into several browser across OSes before deploying to client. When I open my web application in Safari for Windows I get many glitches in layout but I still waiting for next alpha or beta or gamma or whatever version. I need this browser to test my web application because I can&#8217;t buy Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Espresso Junkie</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-206560</link>
		<dc:creator>Espresso Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple has developed cool soft- and hardware in the past. Perhaps these beta releases were more like a technical preview, but I&#039;m sure in the end the Safari browser for Windows will be as good as the other software we already use (iTunes, Quicktime etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple has developed cool soft- and hardware in the past. Perhaps these beta releases were more like a technical preview, but I&#8217;m sure in the end the Safari browser for Windows will be as good as the other software we already use (iTunes, Quicktime etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-206556</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t like Safari. Even on my Mac. This Konquerer clone renders HTML/CSS (especially form inputs) without recognizing anything you try to tell it.

To bring the piece of crap to the Windows world can only be part of Steves strategy increasing his &quot;market share&quot; and to show more people the &quot;smooth&quot; Mac world.

Just my 2 cent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like Safari. Even on my Mac. This Konquerer clone renders HTML/CSS (especially form inputs) without recognizing anything you try to tell it.</p>
<p>To bring the piece of crap to the Windows world can only be part of Steves strategy increasing his &#8220;market share&#8221; and to show more people the &#8220;smooth&#8221; Mac world.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cent.</p>
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		<title>By: anarsist</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-204228</link>
		<dc:creator>anarsist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The latest Firefox 3 alpha is more stable than this beta.. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest Firefox 3 alpha is more stable than this beta.. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: andrej</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-199244</link>
		<dc:creator>andrej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 20:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ thacker: thanks a lot. I guess it turns out as cheap possibility to test safari on a windows machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ thacker: thanks a lot. I guess it turns out as cheap possibility to test safari on a windows machine.</p>
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		<title>By: thacker</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-199050</link>
		<dc:creator>thacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andrej--

For the most part, Safari for Windows appears to render the same as it does for the Mac except for a few minor CSS bugs that I am seeing within the Windows betas.

Your question could be better answered by someone, such as Meyer, who is much more knowledgeable than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andrej&#8211;</p>
<p>For the most part, Safari for Windows appears to render the same as it does for the Mac except for a few minor CSS bugs that I am seeing within the Windows betas.</p>
<p>Your question could be better answered by someone, such as Meyer, who is much more knowledgeable than I.</p>
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		<title>By: andrej</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-195507</link>
		<dc:creator>andrej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 16:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to repeat the question, but does anyone know, whether or not Safari Renders the same on Windows as it does on the Mac. Is it possible to use it for browser testing?
thx.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to repeat the question, but does anyone know, whether or not Safari Renders the same on Windows as it does on the Mac. Is it possible to use it for browser testing?<br />
thx.</p>
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		<title>By: Niko Neugebauer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-191386</link>
		<dc:creator>Niko Neugebauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care much about Apple reasons - though i believe that helping people to migrate to OS X and applications for the iPhone must be some of the reasons they did it.
As a developer, i see only the advantages - for example seeing some of the things that will affect Safari for OS X while developing a site is good enough for me. =O)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care much about Apple reasons &#8211; though i believe that helping people to migrate to OS X and applications for the iPhone must be some of the reasons they did it.<br />
As a developer, i see only the advantages &#8211; for example seeing some of the things that will affect Safari for OS X while developing a site is good enough for me. =O)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-190799</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to the reason why they even bothered to develop Safari for Windows? Once they figure out how to develop it I can see another Mac vs PC commercial on the horizon. Once they figure out how to stop the thing from crashing. Right now it just works like IE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to the reason why they even bothered to develop Safari for Windows? Once they figure out how to develop it I can see another Mac vs PC commercial on the horizon. Once they figure out how to stop the thing from crashing. Right now it just works like IE.</p>
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		<title>By: Paveo</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/06/12/windows-safari/#comment-188912</link>
		<dc:creator>Paveo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 03:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Safari is very nice browser for both Mac and Windows, will it take over the firefox ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Safari is very nice browser for both Mac and Windows, will it take over the firefox ;)</p>
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Because the world needed another browser/platform combination to test, <a href="http://apple.com/">Apple</a> has released a beta version of <a href="http://www.apple.com/safari/">Safari</a> for Windows.  Why?  <a href="http://daringfireball.net/2007/06/wwdc_2007_keynote">Arguably</a>, it&#8217;s to make sure that Windows developers have access to the browser in the iPhone, so they can make sure that their Web 2.0 sites work on the iPhone without having to buy new computers.  (Though this also robs them of the primary justification for getting an iPhone on the company dime.  Haven&#8217;t they suffered enough, Steve?)  On that note, I hope this new foray will expand the pool of people contributing ideas to <a href="http://airbagindustries.com/" rel="friend colleague met">Greg</a>&#8217;s <a href="http://www.airbagindustries.com/archives/airbag/developr_1.php">post</a> about cool new apps for the iPhone.  (There&#8217;s already a truly brilliant idea in there, albeit with a name I can&#8217;t use here due to readers behind content filters.  Who&#8217;s going to make it happen?)
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It will also be interesting to see if the presence of another highly standards-compliant browser (joining Firefox and Opera) on the Windows platform spurs more Windows-based web developers to pressure Microsoft to maintain their momentum on the issue, so as not to see IE fall behind all the competitors.  As you might expect, I certainly hope so.
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Remember: <strong>this is a beta!</strong>  There&#8217;s going to be weirdness.  <a href="http://www.quirksmode.org/" rel="acquaintance colleague met">PPK</a>, for example, <a href="http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/06/safari_30_windo.html">ran into layout problems</a> that may or may not be related to the video card in one of his systems.  Other people are reporting crashes; though many of them are reporting crashes on <a href="http://cnn.com/">CNN</a>&#8217;s site, which crashes my OS X copy of Safari from time to time.  Interesting to see that kind of cross-platform crash consistency.
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The beta&#8217;s certainly worth checking out if you&#8217;re interested, but&#8212;<a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2006/02/03/charting-ie7b2/">as with the IE7 betas</a>&#8212;do <strong>not</strong> start reworking your site to address layout problems in this beta.  <a href="http://bugs.webkit.org/">Report them</a> to the WebKit team instead.  When the final version (or a feature-frozen <acronym title="release candidate">RC</acronym> version) is released, it&#8217;ll be time for testing, charting, and possible reworking.
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Interesting times indeed.  If you&#8217;ll excuse me, I have to go make some changes to my browser-release timeline slides.
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