Comments on: The Veteran’s Charge http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/ Things that Eric A. Meyer, CSS expert, writes about on his personal Web site; it's largely Web standards and Web technology, but also various bits of culture, politics, personal observations, and other miscellaneous stuff Sat, 17 May 2008 10:36:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 By: Let’s get specific http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-366145 Let’s get specific Mon, 28 Apr 2008 07:33:52 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-366145 [...] to present content in an entirely different way, just for the iPhone? It does remind people of the bad old days of the Browser Wars, before web standards took hold. There’s a great article by David Storey over at My Opera on [...] […] to present content in an entirely different way, just for the iPhone? It does remind people of the bad old days of the Browser Wars, before web standards took hold. There’s a great article by David Storey over at My Opera on […]

]]> By: Put your Content in my Pocket : Digital Mohawk http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-292612 Put your Content in my Pocket : Digital Mohawk Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:57:05 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-292612 [...] not a jail. Likewise, if a user without an iPhone wants to look at this part of your site, don’t block them with some “for iPhone only” nonsense. Remember that the web always works best when it’s open [...] […] not a jail. Likewise, if a user without an iPhone wants to look at this part of your site, don’t block them with some “for iPhone only” nonsense. Remember that the web always works best when it’s open […]

]]> By: افكار و احلام » Requiem for a rendering engine http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-292302 افكار و احلام » Requiem for a rendering engine Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:18:25 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-292302 [...] the end, the waves of browser sniffing that plague “Web 2.0” and a slow and somewhat buggy Javascript/DOM implementation (technologies on which “Web 2.0” is [...] […] the end, the waves of browser sniffing that plague “Web 2.0” and a slow and somewhat buggy Javascript/DOM implementation (technologies on which “Web 2.0” is […]

]]> By: Patty Bradley-Diehl http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-277313 Patty Bradley-Diehl Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:58:06 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-277313 The only good thing about optimizing sites for the iPhone might be that it is an argument for my company to buy me one ;-D The only good thing about optimizing sites for the iPhone might be that it is an argument for my company to buy me one ;-D

]]> By: NewsBlaze http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-250921 NewsBlaze Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:04:00 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-250921 I love my iPhone and my blogger blog, but blogger and iPhone don't play together. I can't enter text into the body. So the blog views OK on iPhone, I just can't add posts. Blogger says, in one place, regarding shortcuts. "These work OK in IE and Firefox. They might work in other browsers." What do you think about that as a different way of saying "Optimized for IE and Firefox" I love my iPhone and my blogger blog, but blogger and iPhone don’t play together. I can’t enter text into the body. So the blog views OK on iPhone, I just can’t add posts. Blogger says, in one place, regarding shortcuts. “These work OK in IE and Firefox. They might work in other browsers.”

What do you think about that as a different way of saying “Optimized for IE and Firefox”

]]> By: victor http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-241585 victor Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:08:30 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-241585 So if it works on the iPhone, it might work on other platforms and browsers. Isn't it standard-compliant? So if it works on the iPhone, it might work on other platforms and browsers. Isn’t it standard-compliant?

]]> By: [ICR] http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-232368 [ICR] Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:07:35 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-232368 I would have no objections to a "This is best viewed on an iPhone. Click here to go to the non-iPhone version" message. It is forseeable that someone will send an iPhone link to a non-tech-savy person who is not using an iPhone. The site will look at best awkward and at worse plain wrong for them. Without notifying them of the reason why you are leaving them mysytified. However, it must be a "best viewed" with a clear link to the alternate version. I would have no objections to a “This is best viewed on an iPhone. Click here to go to the non-iPhone version” message. It is forseeable that someone will send an iPhone link to a non-tech-savy person who is not using an iPhone. The site will look at best awkward and at worse plain wrong for them. Without notifying them of the reason why you are leaving them mysytified. However, it must be a “best viewed” with a clear link to the alternate version.

]]> By: Scott Lenger http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-226690 Scott Lenger Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:36:59 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-226690 Many users are unable to update their browsers (or devices) for a number of reasons which can include limited experience, lack of awareness, restricted permissions, and/or limited resources. Thacker touched on 'lack of awareness' but is missing other potential obstacles. Responsible web development will ensure content is available/accessible for as many users as possible. I'm thinking especially of our neighbors in the <a href="http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/public.html" rel="nofollow">developing world</a>. Many users are unable to update their browsers (or devices) for a number of reasons which can include limited experience, lack of awareness, restricted permissions, and/or limited resources.

Thacker touched on ‘lack of awareness’ but is missing other potential obstacles.

Responsible web development will ensure content is available/accessible for as many users as possible. I’m thinking especially of our neighbors in the developing world.

]]> By: auschick http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-226446 auschick Wed, 29 Aug 2007 00:59:59 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-226446 So, what are your thoughts on "encouraging" ie6 and earlier users to upgrade to ie7 by using a conditional comment at the top of the ie6 screen that says something like, "your browser is out of date, we recommend you upgrade it"? So, what are your thoughts on “encouraging” ie6 and earlier users to upgrade to ie7 by using a conditional comment at the top of the ie6 screen that says something like, “your browser is out of date, we recommend you upgrade it”?

]]> By: Aaron Cormier http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-223205 Aaron Cormier Wed, 22 Aug 2007 02:36:27 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-223205 “This page best viewed in…” a) comfy cloths, perhaps sweats and a favorite t-shirt b) a stupor c) an open mind “This page best viewed in…”
a) comfy cloths, perhaps sweats and a favorite t-shirt
b) a stupor
c) an open mind

]]> By: /wonderfultoys/archive/iphone-madness-madness http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-221991 /wonderfultoys/archive/iphone-madness-madness Sun, 19 Aug 2007 09:24:35 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-221991 [...] “the iPhone is Internet Explorer 4 all over again” while Eric Meyer wants services to stop user agent sniffing to block out non-iPhone [...] […] “the iPhone is Internet Explorer 4 all over again” while Eric Meyer wants services to stop user agent sniffing to block out non-iPhone […]

]]> By: Jeff Croft http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-219370 Jeff Croft Mon, 13 Aug 2007 21:16:44 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-219370 <blockquote> I think what Eric is trying to do is prevent a trend like that from happening in the first place by calling out any would be perpetrators. At least that’s what I got out of his post. </blockquote> That's cool. Nothing wrong with a bit of preventative warning. It just came across as a rant, and I was having trouble figuring out who the rant was targeted at, I guess.

I think what Eric is trying to do is prevent a trend like that from happening in the first place by calling out any would be perpetrators. At least that’s what I got out of his post.

That’s cool. Nothing wrong with a bit of preventative warning. It just came across as a rant, and I was having trouble figuring out who the rant was targeted at, I guess.

]]> By: Bill h http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-219351 Bill h Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:27:57 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-219351 <blockquote>If I start to see tools/sites/apps that are truly only for the iPhone, I will be bothered by that trend. I haven’t seen that yet, though, so I sort of feel like this is all much ado about nothing.</blockquote> I think what Eric is trying to do is prevent a trend like that from happening in the first place by calling out any would be perpetrators. At least that's what I got out of his post.

If I start to see tools/sites/apps that are truly only for the iPhone, I will be bothered by that trend. I haven’t seen that yet, though, so I sort of feel like this is all much ado about nothing.

I think what Eric is trying to do is prevent a trend like that from happening in the first place by calling out any would be perpetrators. At least that’s what I got out of his post.

]]> By: hlb’s weblog » 網頁與軟體的界線 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-219322 hlb’s weblog » 網頁與軟體的界線 Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:04:41 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-219322 [...] Eric Meyer: The Veteran’s Charge [...] […] Eric Meyer: The Veteran’s Charge […]

]]> By: Ben Lowery http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-219246 Ben Lowery Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:41:46 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-219246 In response to #7 (http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-217125), we purposely kept i.bloglines.com open to non-iPhone users for many of the reasons that eric laid out in the blog post. It's actually a rather handy way to use the site, so we wanted as many folks to use it as possible, not just those with iPhones. ben lowery, bloglines software engineer In response to #7 (http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2007/08/08/the-veterans-charge/#comment-217125), we purposely kept i.bloglines.com open to non-iPhone users for many of the reasons that eric laid out in the blog post. It’s actually a rather handy way to use the site, so we wanted as many folks to use it as possible, not just those with iPhones.

ben lowery, bloglines software engineer

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