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		<title>By: about: X-UA-Compatible, Take 2 &#171; first things first</title>
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		<dc:creator>about: X-UA-Compatible, Take 2 &#171; first things first</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: about: X-UA-Compatible, This Time for Real at weboholic.de</title>
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		<dc:creator>about: X-UA-Compatible, This Time for Real at weboholic.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 08:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Microsoft does the right thing. Web developers&#8217; heads explode in surprise. at Mad Web Skills - Web design in Melbourne and Shepparton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microsoft does the right thing. Web developers&#8217; heads explode in surprise. at Mad Web Skills - Web design in Melbourne and Shepparton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the very nature of building valid, forwards-compatible websites; and those who believe it is in the best interest of the internets, protecting Microsoft&#8217;s partners who use thier dodgy web [...]</description>
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		<title>By: outbreak &#187; Blogstorming X-UA-Compatible (written on January 28th, 2008 by Marko Mrdjenovic)</title>
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		<dc:creator>outbreak &#187; Blogstorming X-UA-Compatible (written on January 28th, 2008 by Marko Mrdjenovic)</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Eric did to prevent a flame war between web developers was amazing. If all the discussions around the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: about: X-UA-Compatible, this time for real</title>
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		<dc:creator>about: X-UA-Compatible, this time for real</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Bram.us &#187; IE8 Mode?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bram.us &#187; IE8 Mode?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and IE8 on the IEBlog and an article in the most recent ALA issue (got some time to read up?): #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13 and - my favorite - #14. *phew*  Spread the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shallow Thoughts &#187; More on the Meta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shallow Thoughts &#187; More on the Meta</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Eric followed up with even more of his thoughts on the topic of version targeting than he shared the day before. The comment that struck me most was this: It has to be realized that this may well be the only way [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tripix.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; IE8, estándares y la super-polémica del mes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tripix.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; IE8, estándares y la super-polémica del mes</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] deben respetar los estándares por defecto. A su derechaaa, de color azul y encabezados por Eric Meyerrrrr los amantes del “Don&quot;t Break the Web” con el que Microsoft se ha defendido siempre para pasar [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Version Targeting For IE8, Developer Wars, My Thoughts :: Unintentionally Blank</title>
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You probably don&#8217;t need me to tell you about <a href="http://alistapart.com/issues/251">today&#8217;s issue</a> of <a href="http://alistapart.com/">A List Apart</a>, but just in case you hit this entry in your feed reader before reaching the ALA feed, head on over.  If you have anything to do with web development, there&#8217;s <a href="http://alistapart.com/articles/beyonddoctype">news of a coming change</a> that you absolutely need to read.
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I know there will be many people who disagree with <a href="http://alistapart.com/articles/fromswitchestotargets">my take on version targeting</a>.  As did I, at first.  Originally I wasn&#8217;t even going to be part of this ALA issue but as I argued with Aaron about it on the ALA editorial board and started to shift my perspective, we realized that having someone document that thinking process would be valuable.  So I did.
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Already I&#8217;ve seen a lot of negative reactions to the idea, and they remind me of my initial reactions.  That&#8217;s <strong>not</strong> to say that my views are more advanced, nor that everyone will eventually come to the same way of thinking.  It&#8217;s entirely possible that after due rational consideration, many people will come to the conclusion exactly opposite my own.  I still thought it might be useful to share my thoughts on the matter as someone who has been concerned about browser compatibility and standards advancement for <a href="http://www.webmonkey.com/webmonkey/98/38/index1a.html">a very long time now</a>.
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<strong>Update:</strong> I wanted to point to some other material about this topic.  I&#8217;ll probably keep updating this as time goes on.
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<li><p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/01/21/compatibility-and-ie8.aspx">Compatibility and IE8</a> &#8212; a post by Chris Wilson about the challenges faced by browsers when advancing standards, and the particular situation experienced in the IE7 deployment.  You don&#8217;t have to agree with the conclusions, but understanding the problem is important.</p></li>
<li><p><a href="http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2008/01/the_versioning.html">The versioning switch is not a browser detect</a> &#8212; this is vitally important to any hope of useful debate on this topic.  I tried to clearly make the same point in my ALA article, but reiteration doesn&#8217;t hurt.</p></li>
<li><p><a href="http://adactio.com/journal/1402/">Broken</a> &#8212; Jeremy objects to the default behavior.  I actually agree with him, and made that case at length with a member of the IE team.  I couldn&#8217;t make what I wanted square with their requirements, and came to see that I couldn&#8217;t, and was deeply saddened by it.  I sincerely hope that Jeremy, or indeed anyone, can succeed where I failed.</p></li>
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