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		<title>By: erik</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-489740</link>
		<dc:creator>erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes i&#039;m late. And not very substantial or earnest. But looking at George Butler&#039;s proposal for a different arrangement, and assuming that People Magazine is anything like our tabloids over here (germany, europe), then it&#039;s probably just the ordinary sexist thing: George&#039;s suggestion would have covered the enormous and obviously intentionally presented cleavage of the blonde.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes i&#8217;m late. And not very substantial or earnest. But looking at George Butler&#8217;s proposal for a different arrangement, and assuming that People Magazine is anything like our tabloids over here (germany, europe), then it&#8217;s probably just the ordinary sexist thing: George&#8217;s suggestion would have covered the enormous and obviously intentionally presented cleavage of the blonde.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Feruglio Dal Dan</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-417403</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Feruglio Dal Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 05:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Racism is alive and well this side of the pond as well. I think it all boils down to the fact that Americans tend to be more aware of it, both in a good and bad sense (they are either sensitive to race issues or consciously racist). 
I am disheartened by all the people who, when some message like this is pointed out to them, still insist that it&#039;s just you, or that you are overreacting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racism is alive and well this side of the pond as well. I think it all boils down to the fact that Americans tend to be more aware of it, both in a good and bad sense (they are either sensitive to race issues or consciously racist).<br />
I am disheartened by all the people who, when some message like this is pointed out to them, still insist that it&#8217;s just you, or that you are overreacting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hester</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-415727</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Comment 29 by jen reminds me of that advert for car company in Birmingham UK the details of which I forget but they had this photo of the workers. Some were white and some were black. They later used it for promotional work I think and allegedly had all the black faces removed. Needless to say someone spotted this and reported it.

As for the magazine cover here, it&#039;s surely a subtle dig at Obama. Like it&#039;s saying black people are at the bottom in presidential candidate terms so don&#039;t vote for them. I hope I&#039;m reading too much into it.

I&#039;m also surprised they didn&#039;t try to lighten her face to make her more &quot;acceptable&quot; to a white audience.

Racism sucks. I hope this was just an unforseen accident and not deliberate. In real terms though, the world has more important things to think about (but thanks for bringing it to our attention Eric) such as poverty and war, you know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comment 29 by jen reminds me of that advert for car company in Birmingham UK the details of which I forget but they had this photo of the workers. Some were white and some were black. They later used it for promotional work I think and allegedly had all the black faces removed. Needless to say someone spotted this and reported it.</p>
<p>As for the magazine cover here, it&#8217;s surely a subtle dig at Obama. Like it&#8217;s saying black people are at the bottom in presidential candidate terms so don&#8217;t vote for them. I hope I&#8217;m reading too much into it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also surprised they didn&#8217;t try to lighten her face to make her more &#8220;acceptable&#8221; to a white audience.</p>
<p>Racism sucks. I hope this was just an unforseen accident and not deliberate. In real terms though, the world has more important things to think about (but thanks for bringing it to our attention Eric) such as poverty and war, you know?</p>
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		<title>By: jen</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-415200</link>
		<dc:creator>jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The photo was probably approved by the McCain campaign.  After a bit of traveling recently, and meeting many McCain supporters, I&#039;m certain that the photo was not a mistake.  Her inclusion was meant to say, yeah, we&#039;re a diverse family but we know where to keep the darkies...  Many of the people I&#039;ve met who are voting republican in the upcoming election are definitely racist.  It&#039;s like the guy who says, I&#039;m not prejudiced but I don&#039;t want my country&#039;s president to be a colored person.  Many of the folks voting McCain/Palin are taking that stance.  

It tears my heart out, but I believe that photo was intentional.  It turns my stomach.  That Chris Coyne (?) from the earlier post&#039;s comments is naive to think that our societies have evolved to the point where we in the marketing/communications/design field shouldn&#039;t have to think about these things. Sadly, we still do.  I recently worked with an insurance company where I intentionally did attempt to have diversity in the photo research I did -- each and every time all colored folks were taken out... and the people removing them said things &lt;em&gt;like&lt;/em&gt; not having an &quot;urban&quot; audience, or not having a low-income or liberal audience, and so on...  I&#039;m thankful not to work with them anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The photo was probably approved by the McCain campaign.  After a bit of traveling recently, and meeting many McCain supporters, I&#8217;m certain that the photo was not a mistake.  Her inclusion was meant to say, yeah, we&#8217;re a diverse family but we know where to keep the darkies&#8230;  Many of the people I&#8217;ve met who are voting republican in the upcoming election are definitely racist.  It&#8217;s like the guy who says, I&#8217;m not prejudiced but I don&#8217;t want my country&#8217;s president to be a colored person.  Many of the folks voting McCain/Palin are taking that stance.  </p>
<p>It tears my heart out, but I believe that photo was intentional.  It turns my stomach.  That Chris Coyne (?) from the earlier post&#8217;s comments is naive to think that our societies have evolved to the point where we in the marketing/communications/design field shouldn&#8217;t have to think about these things. Sadly, we still do.  I recently worked with an insurance company where I intentionally did attempt to have diversity in the photo research I did &#8212; each and every time all colored folks were taken out&#8230; and the people removing them said things <em>like</em> not having an &#8220;urban&#8221; audience, or not having a low-income or liberal audience, and so on&#8230;  I&#8217;m thankful not to work with them anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Will M</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-412884</link>
		<dc:creator>Will M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally missed her in the picture until I read the comments.  Placement has everything to do with this.

I find it disturbing that the default reaction of so many people to this discussion is so scathing.

Respect to Eric for posting about a difficult, important and deeply-unfashioanable subject.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally missed her in the picture until I read the comments.  Placement has everything to do with this.</p>
<p>I find it disturbing that the default reaction of so many people to this discussion is so scathing.</p>
<p>Respect to Eric for posting about a difficult, important and deeply-unfashioanable subject.</p>
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		<title>By: eddie</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-411610</link>
		<dc:creator>eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you look at the heads of everyone, it sorta draws an inverse &quot;z&quot;, a zig zag pattern. The two foreground women were wearing red, the middle group were wearing black, and the background folks were wearing white, which goes with the white shirt on John Mccain and the background blue shirt tops up the black top group.

It is in fact deliberate, but is it due to composition or ill will?

Of the two women in red, should the elder person be on the bottom?

She may be too low in the picture, it does make her seem &quot;squeezed out&quot; and un-natural, maybe to make some room for the pretty lady above her position? but overall the picture does spread out everyone in a pattern, tight top and gradually spaced out at the bottom, where there is a deliberate space left open to place that headline.

Lets put it this way, if she was white, there would be no potential for any subliminal message whatsoever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at the heads of everyone, it sorta draws an inverse &#8220;z&#8221;, a zig zag pattern. The two foreground women were wearing red, the middle group were wearing black, and the background folks were wearing white, which goes with the white shirt on John Mccain and the background blue shirt tops up the black top group.</p>
<p>It is in fact deliberate, but is it due to composition or ill will?</p>
<p>Of the two women in red, should the elder person be on the bottom?</p>
<p>She may be too low in the picture, it does make her seem &#8220;squeezed out&#8221; and un-natural, maybe to make some room for the pretty lady above her position? but overall the picture does spread out everyone in a pattern, tight top and gradually spaced out at the bottom, where there is a deliberate space left open to place that headline.</p>
<p>Lets put it this way, if she was white, there would be no potential for any subliminal message whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-410941</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All of these diagnoses are built on the same flaw.  The idea that an editorial magazine is deliberate about its work.

If you haven&#039;t noticed that print is dying, it&#039;s because you&#039;ve been getting all of your news from the internet or TV.  Let me fill you in.  There&#039;s this shuffling corpse called print that has been shedding staff faster than the Titanic shed women and children.  Within this corpse are other near-dead entities called staff photography and editorial process.  The disgruntled photo cadaver will choose only those photos that look like other photos that the editor cadaver has approved before.  The disgruntled writer cadaver never even makes it to the shoot, because he is too busy cobbling together his story from press releases, newswires, and blogs.  The disillusioned editor cadaver has already written a headline and as soon as he approves a photo, he&#039;ll be on his way to the bar.  The disgruntled night editor cadaver has to contort the headline to fit on the photo and make sure that it jumps to the right page.  Viola!

However, we are talking about People, so add or subtract integrity as you see fit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of these diagnoses are built on the same flaw.  The idea that an editorial magazine is deliberate about its work.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t noticed that print is dying, it&#8217;s because you&#8217;ve been getting all of your news from the internet or TV.  Let me fill you in.  There&#8217;s this shuffling corpse called print that has been shedding staff faster than the Titanic shed women and children.  Within this corpse are other near-dead entities called staff photography and editorial process.  The disgruntled photo cadaver will choose only those photos that look like other photos that the editor cadaver has approved before.  The disgruntled writer cadaver never even makes it to the shoot, because he is too busy cobbling together his story from press releases, newswires, and blogs.  The disillusioned editor cadaver has already written a headline and as soon as he approves a photo, he&#8217;ll be on his way to the bar.  The disgruntled night editor cadaver has to contort the headline to fit on the photo and make sure that it jumps to the right page.  Viola!</p>
<p>However, we are talking about People, so add or subtract integrity as you see fit.</p>
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		<title>By: boblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Campanha nos EUA - uma quest&#227;o de posi&#231;&#227;o</title>
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		<dc:creator>boblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Campanha nos EUA - uma quest&#227;o de posi&#231;&#227;o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] pela intromiss&#227;o, pois n&#227;o resisti a partilhar com o universo boblogger este follow-up de um post sobre uma capa recente da revista People. Esta revista semanal, cheia de glamour e gente [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] pela intromiss&atilde;o, pois n&atilde;o resisti a partilhar com o universo boblogger este follow-up de um post sobre uma capa recente da revista People. Esta revista semanal, cheia de glamour e gente [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Felton</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-410710</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Felton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was very much more struck by the &quot;towering men and their women at their feet&quot; than I was struck by the &quot;outsider woman of color&quot;.  It looks almost comically like a shot of a football team and their cheerleaders: there&#039;s no question who is in the game and who is (literally) sitting on the sidelines. I agree with your reading, though in my opinion, the message being conveyed about women in general is much stronger than the message being conveyed about women of color. &quot;Sit down and be quiet, girls&quot; is the old boy&#039;s message being conveyed there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very much more struck by the &#8220;towering men and their women at their feet&#8221; than I was struck by the &#8220;outsider woman of color&#8221;.  It looks almost comically like a shot of a football team and their cheerleaders: there&#8217;s no question who is in the game and who is (literally) sitting on the sidelines. I agree with your reading, though in my opinion, the message being conveyed about women in general is much stronger than the message being conveyed about women of color. &#8220;Sit down and be quiet, girls&#8221; is the old boy&#8217;s message being conveyed there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurtis Kroon</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-410061</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurtis Kroon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-409890&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pierre&lt;/a&gt; said: &lt;q cite=&quot;#comment-409890&quot;&gt;Whoa that&quot;s a bit tough ;) !&lt;/q&gt;

Perhaps, but it certainly made the point, didn&#039;t it?

Kurtis
&quot;Hold on a second while I help you to wipe that mote of dust from your eye ...&quot;
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&quot;Ring, ring! ... Hello, Pot? It&#039;s Kettle ... You&#039;re black!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-409890" rel="nofollow">Pierre</a> said: <q cite="#comment-409890">Whoa that&#8221;s a bit tough ;) !</q></p>
<p>Perhaps, but it certainly made the point, didn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>Kurtis<br />
&#8220;Hold on a second while I help you to wipe that mote of dust from your eye &#8230;&#8221;<br />
or<br />
&#8220;Ring, ring! &#8230; Hello, Pot? It&#8217;s Kettle &#8230; You&#8217;re black!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Demontluzin</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-409959</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Demontluzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Eric, It&#039;s amazing what a little positioning or juxtaposing can do. But come on, I bet George Butler created that image in photoshop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eric, It&#8217;s amazing what a little positioning or juxtaposing can do. But come on, I bet George Butler created that image in photoshop.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Battle</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-409946</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Battle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a much more obvious rebuttal to those who say it was just a sitting, don&#039;t pick it apart.

Imagine the same portrait with Bridget and John McCain swapped.  How does it look now?

Why would the photo never be composed that way?  Because it was very carefully constructed, and the inferior/superior relationship would be mightily violated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a much more obvious rebuttal to those who say it was just a sitting, don&#8217;t pick it apart.</p>
<p>Imagine the same portrait with Bridget and John McCain swapped.  How does it look now?</p>
<p>Why would the photo never be composed that way?  Because it was very carefully constructed, and the inferior/superior relationship would be mightily violated.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas Carey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suspect that the shot was composed (and approved by the McCain campaign) w/o consideration of the framing text and how its imposition on the photo altered the composition.

If you elide the text, it&#039;s a much more cohesive photo. It looks like the photographer was trying to leave a block open for the headline text and that the shot was later cropped to allow room for the Britney sidebar on the right. If you imagine the whole cover being the McCain family portrait with the same text in the lower right, IMHO, it become a much more cohesive image.

But the fault still lies with the magazine&#039;s editor/photo editor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the shot was composed (and approved by the McCain campaign) w/o consideration of the framing text and how its imposition on the photo altered the composition.</p>
<p>If you elide the text, it&#8217;s a much more cohesive photo. It looks like the photographer was trying to leave a block open for the headline text and that the shot was later cropped to allow room for the Britney sidebar on the right. If you imagine the whole cover being the McCain family portrait with the same text in the lower right, IMHO, it become a much more cohesive image.</p>
<p>But the fault still lies with the magazine&#8217;s editor/photo editor.</p>
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		<title>By: awdsgn</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-409925</link>
		<dc:creator>awdsgn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks, eric, for raising this issue. i agree that someone screwed up big time (hard to believe it could have been deliberate). i&#039;d lay the blame at the feet of the magazine editors (no news there). 

i feel compelled to point out that it actually could have been worse: at least the color red creates a visual connection between mother and daughter, and the headline &quot;Meet the&quot; starts at the daughter&#039;s face, giving another bit of visual continuity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks, eric, for raising this issue. i agree that someone screwed up big time (hard to believe it could have been deliberate). i&#8217;d lay the blame at the feet of the magazine editors (no news there). </p>
<p>i feel compelled to point out that it actually could have been worse: at least the color red creates a visual connection between mother and daughter, and the headline &#8220;Meet the&#8221; starts at the daughter&#8217;s face, giving another bit of visual continuity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tumbleweed</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/#comment-409924</link>
		<dc:creator>Tumbleweed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They like to mention her, but they never seem to have her around, which is rather telling.

I think the bigger problem with this cover for the campaign is their claims that Obama is a &#039;celebrity,&#039; when they&#039;re posing for the cover of freaking People magazine. Gimme a break.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They like to mention her, but they never seem to have her around, which is rather telling.</p>
<p>I think the bigger problem with this cover for the campaign is their claims that Obama is a &#8216;celebrity,&#8217; when they&#8217;re posing for the cover of freaking People magazine. Gimme a break.</p>
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