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		<title>By: Jonathan Snook</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/11/18/fixing-postcodes/#comment-433045</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Snook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would the handling of the file be any different if the postal code data was wrapped in quotes, just like the text data? I&#039;d presume that Excel would assume it text in that case. But you know what happens when you assume...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would the handling of the file be any different if the postal code data was wrapped in quotes, just like the text data? I&#8217;d presume that Excel would assume it text in that case. But you know what happens when you assume&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/11/18/fixing-postcodes/#comment-430353</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*answers own dumb question*

Ah, right, not all the world runs on Windows.

*headdesk*</description>
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<p>Ah, right, not all the world runs on Windows.</p>
<p>*headdesk*</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and if we&#039;re talking text editors, how come nobody&#039;s mentioned &lt;a href=&quot;http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Notepad++&lt;/a&gt; yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and if we&#8217;re talking text editors, how come nobody&#8217;s mentioned <a href="http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">Notepad++</a> yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I worked at the mailshop, we&#039;d always import in Excel -- but then we&#039;d toss it over to Visual FoxPro, where we had all our manipulation routines. It became so second-nature to do the import without losing the leading zeros that I can&#039;t even tell you at this point how we did it. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I worked at the mailshop, we&#8217;d always import in Excel &#8212; but then we&#8217;d toss it over to Visual FoxPro, where we had all our manipulation routines. It became so second-nature to do the import without losing the leading zeros that I can&#8217;t even tell you at this point how we did it. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Nate Walton</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/11/18/fixing-postcodes/#comment-427178</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Walton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chuck: I found that with this zip code data set I was doing a lot of work in my text editor as well. I use TextMate, and the regular expression search and replace was invaluable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chuck: I found that with this zip code data set I was doing a lot of work in my text editor as well. I use TextMate, and the regular expression search and replace was invaluable.</p>
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		<title>By: Erling Ormar Vignisson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/11/18/fixing-postcodes/#comment-427080</link>
		<dc:creator>Erling Ormar Vignisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No sooner had I read this article, acknowledged the problem... and later that very day, was I tasked with helping to solve this very problem! Nicely done ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sooner had I read this article, acknowledged the problem&#8230; and later that very day, was I tasked with helping to solve this very problem! Nicely done ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Keller</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/11/18/fixing-postcodes/#comment-427010</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Excel&#039;s &#039;helpfulness&#039; to be maddening as well after having to clean up a client&#039;s mailing list. If you need to do specific manipulation to data in columns or rows that the import wizard cannot handle, set the data to text, select the column or row and copy-paste into BBEdit. In BBEdit you can do grep search and replace to further clean up your data before pasting it back into Excel. Not an elegant solution but it does work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Excel&#8217;s &#8216;helpfulness&#8217; to be maddening as well after having to clean up a client&#8217;s mailing list. If you need to do specific manipulation to data in columns or rows that the import wizard cannot handle, set the data to text, select the column or row and copy-paste into BBEdit. In BBEdit you can do grep search and replace to further clean up your data before pasting it back into Excel. Not an elegant solution but it does work.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/11/18/fixing-postcodes/#comment-425968</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; be easier, &lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/11/18/fixing-postcodes/#comment-425934&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt;, if I weren&#039;t dealing with a planet&#039;s worth of postcodes.  I can&#039;t just assume five digits when some countries use four, some use a mixture of numbers and letters, and some use words with numbers.

Not to mention all the postcode data was hand-entered by survey-takers, so there might be just plain wrong entries, and I don&#039;t want to force-correct them into what might be completely inaccurate values.

So I really did need to open the file without any correction of the data, either by the program or by me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That <em>would</em> be easier, <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/11/18/fixing-postcodes/#comment-425934" rel="nofollow">Matt</a>, if I weren&#8217;t dealing with a planet&#8217;s worth of postcodes.  I can&#8217;t just assume five digits when some countries use four, some use a mixture of numbers and letters, and some use words with numbers.</p>
<p>Not to mention all the postcode data was hand-entered by survey-takers, so there might be just plain wrong entries, and I don&#8217;t want to force-correct them into what might be completely inaccurate values.</p>
<p>So I really did need to open the file without any correction of the data, either by the program or by me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Rushton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Rushton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An easier option is to just open the file in Excel.  Then select the column, choose Format Cells and then select the Custom Category.

Enter #0 and then as many additional 0s that you need to precede the numeric.

So where 1 is the cell value, #00 will show 01 and #000 will show 001.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An easier option is to just open the file in Excel.  Then select the column, choose Format Cells and then select the Custom Category.</p>
<p>Enter #0 and then as many additional 0s that you need to precede the numeric.</p>
<p>So where 1 is the cell value, #00 will show 01 and #000 will show 001.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, there are tons of people who have to use Excel and use it to open data from other sources, so perhaps this will be of some use to them.  Which is, as I said, part of why I posted it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, there are tons of people who have to use Excel and use it to open data from other sources, so perhaps this will be of some use to them.  Which is, as I said, part of why I posted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Juliana Padron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliana Padron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excel?? OpenOffice Ruuuulezz... =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excel?? OpenOffice Ruuuulezz&#8230; =)</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Matthew.  OpenOffice Calc is great for dealing with CSV and similar files.  It&#039;s the main reason I have it on my system.  In fact, all CSV files are associated with OpenOffice Calc so all I have to do is double-click and I&#039;m good to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Matthew.  OpenOffice Calc is great for dealing with CSV and similar files.  It&#8217;s the main reason I have it on my system.  In fact, all CSV files are associated with OpenOffice Calc so all I have to do is double-click and I&#8217;m good to go!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Brundage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Brundage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience, OpenOffice Calc is more intuitive when handling CSV, especially when exporting. If I have a spreadsheet that needs to become a database table, I always run it through OOCalc first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience, OpenOffice Calc is more intuitive when handling CSV, especially when exporting. If I have a spreadsheet that needs to become a database table, I always run it through OOCalc first.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s &quot;Argentina, Argentine Republic&quot;, which (like all the country names) comes the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_continent_(data_file)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia list of countries by continent&lt;/a&gt;, which is in turn based on UN and ISO data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;Argentina, Argentine Republic&#8221;, which (like all the country names) comes the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_continent_(data_file)" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia list of countries by continent</a>, which is in turn based on UN and ISO data.</p>
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		<title>By: Lurker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you have .ar as the &quot;Argentine Republic of Argentina&quot; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you have .ar as the &#8220;Argentine Republic of Argentina&#8221; ?</p>
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<p>
In case anyone&#8217;s interested, I finally updated the <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/data/countries-postcodes.zip">ZIP archive of all the countries and postcodes</a> from the 2008 ALA survey.  The two files are sorted like before, but this time leading-zero postcodes haven&#8217;t had their leading zeroes stripped by Excel.  Oh, Excel.
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<p>
I have learned way more about Excel&#8217;s &#8220;helpful&#8221; handling of CSV and text imports than I ever wanted to know.  The basic drill is, if you want to open a CSV or text file but don&#8217;t want Excel to be &#8220;helpful&#8221;, don&#8217;t drop the file onto Excel or double-click the file icon.  No no!  That would be too easy.
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Instead, launch Excel, select &#8220;File &gt; Open&#8221;, and then select the CSV or text file you want to open in the file browser.  Go through the Text Import Wizard carefully:
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<li>Tell Excel that the file is delimited on the first screen.  (Or, if it isn&#8217;t, then don&#8217;t.  I bet it is, though.)</li>
<li>Tell Excel what delimiter you&#8217;re using on the second screen.</li>
<li>Then&#8212;this is the crucial bit&#8212;on the third Wizard screen, select the columns you don&#8217;t want Excel to &#8220;help&#8221; you with and set them to &#8220;Text&#8221;.  Be careful about setting all the columns as &#8220;Text&#8221;, though: if you have non-ASCII characters, Excel will &#8220;helpfully&#8221; replace their contents with octothorpes when you try to export the data later.  Such &#8220;help&#8221;!  It&#8217;s so &#8220;helpful&#8221;!</li>
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Yay!  An open file where the data is all in its original state!
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<p>
Now you can save the file as an Excel workbook and it should (but please note my use of the word <em>should</em>) leave your data alone.  Ditto if you do &#8220;Save As&#8230;&#8221; to export to CSV or text again, which you might do if you run some calculations and want to capture the result in a basic, portable format.  But remember!  If you ever want to open those CSV/text files in Excel, you can&#8217;t just open them.  You have to go through the whole text-import process again.
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<p>
So the survey files now contain actual useful data, especially for countries where postcodes can start with zeroes.  (Which is a lot of them.)  The files also have the usual bits of abuse that come along with daring to ask people to supply optional information, because I didn&#8217;t even try to filter that stuff out.  So, you know, naughty words ahead.
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<p>
In part, I&#8217;m posting this to leave a record for anyone else who runs into the same problems I had, and also to remind myself of what has to be done next year.  Also to provide a heads-up to anyone who&#8217;d like to grab the fixed-up data and do fun mapping stuff with it, as did <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/23/survey-mapping/#comments">some commenters on the previous post</a>.
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<li><a href="http://tweetagewasteland.com/2010/03/my-head-is-in-the-cloud/" title="March 18 | &#8220;I sense that my addiction to the realtime stream is only making room for the consumption of a faster stream.&#8221;">My Head is in the Cloud</a> <small>[via <a href="http://daringfireball.net/">John</a>]</small></li>
<li><a href="http://8bitnyc.com/" title="March 17 | All of a sudden I want to establish a mission in Central Park and negotiate with the natives for gold and food.">8-Bit NYC</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFicqklGuB0&amp;feature=player_embedded" title="March 12 | Wry comment expressing my appreciation of the creative derivativeness of this video and its uncanny accuracy in mocking common tropes.">Academy Award Winning Movie Trailer</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=414TmP12WAU" title="March 9 | &#8220;Apple juice&#8230; for half price!&#8221;  More like twice PRICELESS.  (Note: If you&#8217;re at work, don your headphones.)">Happy in Paraguay</a> <small>[via <a href="http://unstoppablerobotninja.com/">Ethan</a>]</small></li>
<li><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V5ubAOeOBk&amp;feature=player_embedded" title="February 10 | This is approximately the best thing ever.">U900 -Walk Don&#8217;t Run (Isogabamaware)</a></li>
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<li><a href="http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20100117064356428" title="February 8 | Storing this for future use.">Take a picture with the iSight camera when a folder is opened</a></li>
<li><a href="http://mingle2.com/blog/view/web-developer-mind" title="February 4 | Mostly valid.  (SEE WHAT I DID THERE?)">The Mind of a Web Developer: An Illustrated Diagram</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/news/science_channel_refuses_to_dumb" title="January 28 | &#8220;Punkin Chunkin, for Christ&#8217;s sake&#8230; What more do you people want?&#8221;">Science Channel Refuses To Dumb Down Science Any Further</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.mailchimp.com/blog/project-omnivore-declassified/" title="January 27 | Sounds like quite a feat.  But I wonder how we&#8217;d feel if Microsoft or Google announced the same kind of thing on their e-mail services.">MailChimp&#8217;s Project Omnivore: Declassified</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/25/carolyn-maloney/congresswoman-says-democratic-presidents-create-mo/" title="January 26 | &#8220;Obviously, luck matters a lot, but when there is a consistent pattern over more than 60 years, it starts to look like more than just luck.&#8221;">Congresswoman says Democratic presidents create more private-sector jobs</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_mali_what_teachers_make.html" title="January 25 | Truth.">Taylor Mali: What teachers make</a></li>
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