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		<title>By: Jesse Sutherland</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-512548</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Sutherland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to agree with most of this article and most of these rather intelligent responses.  However, I think that the main difference in the way Apple has pursued its policy and the &#039;real world&#039; is in how Apple has chosen to wield its power.  I would say the whole issue with Apple, for me anyway, has to do with ethics more than anything else.  In the physical realm there are 900lb gorillas but there&#039;s tons of mom and pop stores.  As consumers we may have issues with how the 900lb gorilla&#039;s act.  I don&#039;t really like Walmart (the place or its ethics), so I try to shop elsewhere.  Walmart of course may or may not notice my choice, and may or may not respond.  In fact, Walmart and other major international chains &amp; brands have attempted to respond to consumer complaints (how much and how successfully depends on your own pov).  They&#039;ve to some extent examined their ethics and made policy &amp;  manufacturing changes.  To some extent, then, they&#039;ve attempted to act ethically while still obviously looking out for the bottom line.  The only reason they do this is because of the somewhat viable alternatives available to consumers.  

Here&#039;s where I think Apple differs.  Like MS of old, Apple has found itself in a near monopoly position (as assertion that is rapidly becoming outdated, but whatever).  Like MS, Apple has exploited this monopoly position.  Obviously I can&#039;t really fault their business logic, but I think I can fault some of their business ethics.  Rather than include relatively loose controls and relinquishing some power at what I think would be little expense, Apple has acted almost exclusively in its own interests and what it perceives to be the interests of its consumers.  They&#039;ve done things because they can.  In other words, Apple has used its power rather bluntly and has thereby alienated some developers and consumers who feel that it isn&#039;t playing &#039;fair&#039; or according to the real world of capitalism.  

Now, I own an iPhone and I&#039;m pretty darn happy with it.  On the other hand, as a web-developer and a user of Linux etc, I do feel like the platform could be a little more open, and I can&#039;t really see why Apple couldn&#039;t lay off the curating of my experience.  Would Flash inclusion really be such a big deal? Is the only reason I want an more open platform because I want to look at porn? Is that a fair way to characterize the debate?  I don&#039;t think so.  So while I don&#039;t hate Apple, I&#039;m not a massive admirer of the business culture they seem to be promoting.  In any case, even as I write Apple is changing its position and the WSA stores Meyer has talked about are being created by Amazon and Google.  Apple will surely follow, and I&#039;ll be more comfortable with their &#039;ethics&#039; again.  

BTW, As for the second part of the article (which actually was what I was the most interested in) the solution in my mind to security of WSA&#039;s and the checkout / portability procedure seems pretty simple.  Apple, Google, and whoever should essentially just build a native app (a browser really) with which each WSA can be run.  That App would handle the duties of authentication etc, not the WSA itself.  Since Apple already doesn&#039;t provide a method for side-loading this shouldn&#039;t be so different from the current system.  Anyway, this will probably not be a real deal breaker, as a technical hurdle I can&#039;t see this being a real problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with most of this article and most of these rather intelligent responses.  However, I think that the main difference in the way Apple has pursued its policy and the &#8216;real world&#8217; is in how Apple has chosen to wield its power.  I would say the whole issue with Apple, for me anyway, has to do with ethics more than anything else.  In the physical realm there are 900lb gorillas but there&#8217;s tons of mom and pop stores.  As consumers we may have issues with how the 900lb gorilla&#8217;s act.  I don&#8217;t really like Walmart (the place or its ethics), so I try to shop elsewhere.  Walmart of course may or may not notice my choice, and may or may not respond.  In fact, Walmart and other major international chains &amp; brands have attempted to respond to consumer complaints (how much and how successfully depends on your own pov).  They&#8217;ve to some extent examined their ethics and made policy &amp;  manufacturing changes.  To some extent, then, they&#8217;ve attempted to act ethically while still obviously looking out for the bottom line.  The only reason they do this is because of the somewhat viable alternatives available to consumers.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s where I think Apple differs.  Like MS of old, Apple has found itself in a near monopoly position (as assertion that is rapidly becoming outdated, but whatever).  Like MS, Apple has exploited this monopoly position.  Obviously I can&#8217;t really fault their business logic, but I think I can fault some of their business ethics.  Rather than include relatively loose controls and relinquishing some power at what I think would be little expense, Apple has acted almost exclusively in its own interests and what it perceives to be the interests of its consumers.  They&#8217;ve done things because they can.  In other words, Apple has used its power rather bluntly and has thereby alienated some developers and consumers who feel that it isn&#8217;t playing &#8216;fair&#8217; or according to the real world of capitalism.  </p>
<p>Now, I own an iPhone and I&#8217;m pretty darn happy with it.  On the other hand, as a web-developer and a user of Linux etc, I do feel like the platform could be a little more open, and I can&#8217;t really see why Apple couldn&#8217;t lay off the curating of my experience.  Would Flash inclusion really be such a big deal? Is the only reason I want an more open platform because I want to look at porn? Is that a fair way to characterize the debate?  I don&#8217;t think so.  So while I don&#8217;t hate Apple, I&#8217;m not a massive admirer of the business culture they seem to be promoting.  In any case, even as I write Apple is changing its position and the WSA stores Meyer has talked about are being created by Amazon and Google.  Apple will surely follow, and I&#8217;ll be more comfortable with their &#8216;ethics&#8217; again.  </p>
<p>BTW, As for the second part of the article (which actually was what I was the most interested in) the solution in my mind to security of WSA&#8217;s and the checkout / portability procedure seems pretty simple.  Apple, Google, and whoever should essentially just build a native app (a browser really) with which each WSA can be run.  That App would handle the duties of authentication etc, not the WSA itself.  Since Apple already doesn&#8217;t provide a method for side-loading this shouldn&#8217;t be so different from the current system.  Anyway, this will probably not be a real deal breaker, as a technical hurdle I can&#8217;t see this being a real problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Digest, 6-22-10 &#124; Trevor Turk</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-507849</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Digest, 6-22-10 &#124; Trevor Turk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 22:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] App Shopping If you thought mobile number portability was cool, imagine what you’ll think of mobile app portability. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] App Shopping If you thought mobile number portability was cool, imagine what you’ll think of mobile app portability. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Kessinger</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-505954</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Kessinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone went and created a HTML5 App store  &lt;a href=&quot;http://openappmkt.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;openappmkt&lt;/a&gt;. Looks nice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone went and created a HTML5 App store  <a href="http://openappmkt.com/" rel="nofollow">openappmkt</a>. Looks nice.</p>
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		<title>By: FGH</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-503820</link>
		<dc:creator>FGH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 13:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The App Store is the only viable app store in town. The App Store is like Wall-Mart while the others are almost a 7-11. No comparison. If I need something I go to the store that has it.

The WSAs could be an attempt to get there, but face it, they are not the same as native apps. They only work for a subset of applications. A WSA store would have many problems competing with the App Store. There is also the problem of distribution and installation. How do you install the icon onto the phone in a way that you get paid and a naive user gets their app, and the advanced users end up stealing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The App Store is the only viable app store in town. The App Store is like Wall-Mart while the others are almost a 7-11. No comparison. If I need something I go to the store that has it.</p>
<p>The WSAs could be an attempt to get there, but face it, they are not the same as native apps. They only work for a subset of applications. A WSA store would have many problems competing with the App Store. There is also the problem of distribution and installation. How do you install the icon onto the phone in a way that you get paid and a naive user gets their app, and the advanced users end up stealing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvain Galineau</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-503454</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvain Galineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 03:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think app stores are a great idea. As long as I can access more than one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think app stores are a great idea. As long as I can access more than one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dilvie</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-502936</link>
		<dc:creator>Dilvie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think about app stores in much the same way that I think about a DJ. There is some sort of qualification process for them. I&#039;d love to see that concept applied to web stack apps.

Some other good examples of app repositories are Facebook apps and WordPress plugin apps. I particularly like WordPress because it automatically notifies you when upgrades are available, and it includes automatic upgrade features.

An app store could duplicate that sort of functionality for apps that aren&#039;t hosted remotely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think about app stores in much the same way that I think about a DJ. There is some sort of qualification process for them. I&#8217;d love to see that concept applied to web stack apps.</p>
<p>Some other good examples of app repositories are Facebook apps and WordPress plugin apps. I particularly like WordPress because it automatically notifies you when upgrades are available, and it includes automatic upgrade features.</p>
<p>An app store could duplicate that sort of functionality for apps that aren&#8217;t hosted remotely.</p>
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		<title>By: The State of HTML5 Apps</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-501422</link>
		<dc:creator>The State of HTML5 Apps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 17:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] One thought is that for HTML5 Apps to get more press, their needs to be a HTML5 App store. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-500910</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 13:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t own an IPhone, but I do have a IPod Touch. An app that&#039;s not tied to only one service or brand would be really nice. It would be nice to purchase an app that could be added to my BlackBerry as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t own an IPhone, but I do have a IPod Touch. An app that&#8217;s not tied to only one service or brand would be really nice. It would be nice to purchase an app that could be added to my BlackBerry as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Colby Russell</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-500736</link>
		<dc:creator>Colby Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t mean to start a game of strain the anology. I consciously had that in mind and made an attempt to avoid it. I think my comments are fitting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to start a game of strain the anology. I consciously had that in mind and made an attempt to avoid it. I think my comments are fitting.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Johnson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-500707</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve more than once wished this exact thing existed, and I suspect the Chrome store is going to get us there... or close.

Careful what you wish for though, right?  I do wonder if an easy way to monetize little web apps and tools will only serve to make the web a more closed place.  I wonder how such a thing will impact the Web Community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve more than once wished this exact thing existed, and I suspect the Chrome store is going to get us there&#8230; or close.</p>
<p>Careful what you wish for though, right?  I do wonder if an easy way to monetize little web apps and tools will only serve to make the web a more closed place.  I wonder how such a thing will impact the Web Community.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Kessinger</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-500654</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Kessinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just found this today, Google is creating a &lt;a href=&quot;http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/web-apps-chrome-web-store.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chrome store&lt;/a&gt;. A place to sell HTML5 Apps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found this today, Google is creating a <a href="http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/web-apps-chrome-web-store.html" rel="nofollow">Chrome store</a>. A place to sell HTML5 Apps.</p>
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		<title>By: Storytelling Social Media Marketing PR Business &#38; Technology Curated Stories June 4, 2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Storytelling Social Media Marketing PR Business &#38; Technology Curated Stories June 4, 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 21:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Eric Meyer on the Potential of Mobile Web Apps Published: June 3, 2010 Source: Daring Fireball Eric Meyer: [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Cómo desterrar la percepción de que iPhone OS es demasiado cerrado &#124; Daring Fireball en español</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-500640</link>
		<dc:creator>Cómo desterrar la percepción de que iPhone OS es demasiado cerrado &#124; Daring Fireball en español</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] aplicación web, como rezaba la sugerencia de Eric Meyer a la que he enlazado antes, no debe proceder de Apple. Apple debería tener un directorio de [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] aplicación web, como rezaba la sugerencia de Eric Meyer a la que he enlazado antes, no debe proceder de Apple. Apple debería tener un directorio de [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Sieling</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-500635</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd Sieling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article, Eric. I&#039;ve tried the analogy of the grocery store to explain to people why there is an App Store approval process: I can&#039;t walk in with my homemade preserves and just put them on the shelf, for reasons that go beyond property and into the realm of safety. Apps, as Apple sees them, have the same screening need.

&gt; Except that’s only true because until now, nobody has launched an alternate store that offers web stack applications (WSAs).

While not a store, Apple does maintain a showcase of web apps at http://apple.com/webapps, and it&#039;s really worth checking out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article, Eric. I&#8217;ve tried the analogy of the grocery store to explain to people why there is an App Store approval process: I can&#8217;t walk in with my homemade preserves and just put them on the shelf, for reasons that go beyond property and into the realm of safety. Apps, as Apple sees them, have the same screening need.</p>
<p>&gt; Except that’s only true because until now, nobody has launched an alternate store that offers web stack applications (WSAs).</p>
<p>While not a store, Apple does maintain a showcase of web apps at <a href="http://apple.com/webapps" rel="nofollow">http://apple.com/webapps</a>, and it&#8217;s really worth checking out.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Lotito</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/06/03/app-shopping/#comment-500628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Lotito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People have touched on this already, but I just wanted to say:

&quot;In the desktop computing world, of course, no such control exists. There you find and collect applications wherever you find them, whether in a store or somewhere on the internet. This is much the same as doing your shopping by driving around to garage sales and flea markets. Taken as an aggregate, there’s no quality control, no screening, no organization. It’s catch as catch can. &quot;

That&#039;s wrong.  You can still go to stores to buy software.  Brick and Mortar, real stores.  You can&#039;t do that with the App Store.  At the same time, you can also buy apps from online stores, like Valve.

The desktop world more accurately reflects the real world.  The App store more accurately reflects something like the Sears catalog.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have touched on this already, but I just wanted to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the desktop computing world, of course, no such control exists. There you find and collect applications wherever you find them, whether in a store or somewhere on the internet. This is much the same as doing your shopping by driving around to garage sales and flea markets. Taken as an aggregate, there’s no quality control, no screening, no organization. It’s catch as catch can. &#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s wrong.  You can still go to stores to buy software.  Brick and Mortar, real stores.  You can&#8217;t do that with the App Store.  At the same time, you can also buy apps from online stores, like Valve.</p>
<p>The desktop world more accurately reflects the real world.  The App store more accurately reflects something like the Sears catalog.</p>
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