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		<title>By: Random832</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-769244</link>
		<dc:creator>Random832</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unicode mail has always been a separate font setting (it&#039;s &quot;Other languages&quot; in the GUI, confusingly) - I ran into this trying to increase my font sizes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unicode mail has always been a separate font setting (it&#8217;s &#8220;Other languages&#8221; in the GUI, confusingly) &#8211; I ran into this trying to increase my font sizes.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-689058</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Scott, I don’t have experience with HTML mail.  My interaction with it mostly consists of configuring my email clients to only show me the plain-text alternative part of multipart mail, and to always reply in plain text regardless of the original mail’s format.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Scott, I don’t have experience with HTML mail.  My interaction with it mostly consists of configuring my email clients to only show me the plain-text alternative part of multipart mail, and to always reply in plain text regardless of the original mail’s format.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-688100</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 01:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric,
Have you given any study on how to fix the issue of CSS font-size in HTML formatted messages? Like the font family issue cited above, it would appear that Thunderbird also ignores CSS font-size among other declarations. Instead it appears to use the font size (or some multiple thereof) as it appears in Tools &gt; Options &gt; Display &gt; Formatting.

If you know of anyway to make tbird honor font-size CSS settings in HTML messages (even if it means defining font-size inline with HTML), please let me know.

Thanks for what you do!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
Have you given any study on how to fix the issue of CSS font-size in HTML formatted messages? Like the font family issue cited above, it would appear that Thunderbird also ignores CSS font-size among other declarations. Instead it appears to use the font size (or some multiple thereof) as it appears in Tools &gt; Options &gt; Display &gt; Formatting.</p>
<p>If you know of anyway to make tbird honor font-size CSS settings in HTML messages (even if it means defining font-size inline with HTML), please let me know.</p>
<p>Thanks for what you do!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-515996</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Eric, you&#039;re one of the few people who talk sensibly about Thunderbird config issues. Can you tell me first which config entry deals with the message list font. Secondly, where is the explanation of all the config entries?

Thanks
Greg]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Eric, you&#8217;re one of the few people who talk sensibly about Thunderbird config issues. Can you tell me first which config entry deals with the message list font. Secondly, where is the explanation of all the config entries?</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Doug B</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-510378</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Sep 2010 07:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for helping me solve this hard problem. It is why I delayed upgrading to 3.1 on my Laptop because of the font change when upgraded T-bird on my desktop.

I wanted to go back to Courier New because the default font I had &quot;Consolas&quot; looked like a bad dot-matrix print out on my screen. I didn&#039;t use the advanced - other languages because I thought it would change all my settings to that. It was the Unicode setting messing me up]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for helping me solve this hard problem. It is why I delayed upgrading to 3.1 on my Laptop because of the font change when upgraded T-bird on my desktop.</p>
<p>I wanted to go back to Courier New because the default font I had &#8220;Consolas&#8221; looked like a bad dot-matrix print out on my screen. I didn&#8217;t use the advanced &#8211; other languages because I thought it would change all my settings to that. It was the Unicode setting messing me up</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest Adams</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-509017</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernest Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 17:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for finding this. I&#039;m a PC user, but it&#039;s largely the same (except that my version of Thunderbird doesn&#039;t seem to have a Fonts &gt; Other Languages) setting. Anyway, I was delighted to get rid of the Unicode font it imposed and go back to Courier New.

As for &quot;why Courier&quot; -- I&#039;m middle-aged, I grew up with typewriters and still like the look. Even Courier New doesn&#039;t look EXACTLY right to me, but it&#039;s close enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for finding this. I&#8217;m a PC user, but it&#8217;s largely the same (except that my version of Thunderbird doesn&#8217;t seem to have a Fonts &gt; Other Languages) setting. Anyway, I was delighted to get rid of the Unicode font it imposed and go back to Courier New.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;why Courier&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;m middle-aged, I grew up with typewriters and still like the look. Even Courier New doesn&#8217;t look EXACTLY right to me, but it&#8217;s close enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Bogdan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bogdan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like it how from fixing font display issue the subject went on another road, about Eric&#039;s font preferences. Great explanation though, the reading of this day. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it how from fixing font display issue the subject went on another road, about Eric&#8217;s font preferences. Great explanation though, the reading of this day. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Byrnes</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-504212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Byrnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, very cool explanation, thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, very cool explanation, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Stewart</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-504141</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 02:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ah, thanks for the additional insight there, Eric. Interesting idea of using different faces for different contexts as part of the mental scaffolding for switching gears. For me, the visual consistency across applications where I use monospaced faces is something I value, so I tend to find something that works for me and use it everywhere to avoid the mental &quot;ugh&quot; of things that look different... just one of my many idiosyncrasies, those same typeface-blind co-workers would tell you.

I think my own dislike of Courier goes back in large part to how badly rendered it was on early versions of Windows particularly at small sizes, yet it was the only widely available monospaced face. Andale Mono was such a breath of fresh air when it was released as part of Microsoft&#039;s Web Fonts package... I leaped at the chance to ditch the Courier I always disliked and I&#039;ve never gone back, despite the fact that I now work primarily on Macs and Linux boxes where Courier is admittedly better than it used to be, but still nowhere near as appealing or legible to me as the other readily available choices for a monospaced face.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, thanks for the additional insight there, Eric. Interesting idea of using different faces for different contexts as part of the mental scaffolding for switching gears. For me, the visual consistency across applications where I use monospaced faces is something I value, so I tend to find something that works for me and use it everywhere to avoid the mental &#8220;ugh&#8221; of things that look different&#8230; just one of my many idiosyncrasies, those same typeface-blind co-workers would tell you.</p>
<p>I think my own dislike of Courier goes back in large part to how badly rendered it was on early versions of Windows particularly at small sizes, yet it was the only widely available monospaced face. Andale Mono was such a breath of fresh air when it was released as part of Microsoft&#8217;s Web Fonts package&#8230; I leaped at the chance to ditch the Courier I always disliked and I&#8217;ve never gone back, despite the fact that I now work primarily on Macs and Linux boxes where Courier is admittedly better than it used to be, but still nowhere near as appealing or legible to me as the other readily available choices for a monospaced face.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-504076</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 16:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t have any problem with people asking about my font preferences, of course.  Dismissing them, yes; inquiring, no.

I believe a lot of my preference for Courier is simple familiarity: I&#039;ve been using it for close to two decades now, primarily in e-mail clients, from back when it was the only option and, after that, when it was the only halfway-decent option.  (To my eyes.)

So, to me, Courier says &quot;e-mail&quot;, and---here&#039;s the crucial bit---immediately puts me in that mental context.  I fiddle a bit with the size every second or third year, and actually have slightly different sizes in my two e-mail clients (Thunderbird and Eudora), but the face stays the same.  The font essentially acts as a configuration file for my brain.  I see it, and I subconsciously know I&#039;m doing e-mail.  I don&#039;t have to explicitly think about it.  I just context-switch based on the font.

Similarly, Monaco 9 says &quot;code editor&quot;, since that&#039;s what I use in BBEdit.  It works really well for me there, but I would dislike it in my e-mail client---and the obverse obviously applies.  Again, when I open a window and see that font, my brain orients itself to that context.

Amusingly, I actually really like (and use for code samples here on meyerweb) Andale Mono---but, again, I would not want it in those other environments, because it doesn&#039;t say &quot;e-mail&quot; or &quot;code editor&quot; to me.  And while I could force myself through an extended period of retraining by, say, switching everything to Monaco, why would I bother?  What I have set up works, and works well, and serves me quite nicely.  I like it.  I&#039;m glad I can still have it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have any problem with people asking about my font preferences, of course.  Dismissing them, yes; inquiring, no.</p>
<p>I believe a lot of my preference for Courier is simple familiarity: I&#8217;ve been using it for close to two decades now, primarily in e-mail clients, from back when it was the only option and, after that, when it was the only halfway-decent option.  (To my eyes.)</p>
<p>So, to me, Courier says &#8220;e-mail&#8221;, and&#8212;here&#8217;s the crucial bit&#8212;immediately puts me in that mental context.  I fiddle a bit with the size every second or third year, and actually have slightly different sizes in my two e-mail clients (Thunderbird and Eudora), but the face stays the same.  The font essentially acts as a configuration file for my brain.  I see it, and I subconsciously know I&#8217;m doing e-mail.  I don&#8217;t have to explicitly think about it.  I just context-switch based on the font.</p>
<p>Similarly, Monaco 9 says &#8220;code editor&#8221;, since that&#8217;s what I use in BBEdit.  It works really well for me there, but I would dislike it in my e-mail client&#8212;and the obverse obviously applies.  Again, when I open a window and see that font, my brain orients itself to that context.</p>
<p>Amusingly, I actually really like (and use for code samples here on meyerweb) Andale Mono&#8212;but, again, I would not want it in those other environments, because it doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;e-mail&#8221; or &#8220;code editor&#8221; to me.  And while I could force myself through an extended period of retraining by, say, switching everything to Monaco, why would I bother?  What I have set up works, and works well, and serves me quite nicely.  I like it.  I&#8217;m glad I can still have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Stewart</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2010/07/08/fixing-font-display-in-thunderbird-3-1/#comment-504047</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 12:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for posting this, Eric. I have a sort of lukewarm relationship with Thunderbird and the way it deals with font preferences, as well. The one that bothers me is that I prefer to send text/plain e-mail messages but can&#039;t understand why Thunderbird insists on forcing me to compose those messages in a monospaced font. text/plain should not have to equate to monospaced for either display or composition (for legibility) but Thunderbird seems to think otherwise... and seems to think that how I choose to display messages should be used for how I choose to compose them, and offers no control unique to the latter.

I know it wasn&#039;t the point of your post, but I&#039;m with Jeff Byrnes and his comment above: I&#039;m always curious to hear why people choose the monospaced typefaces they prefer, particularly when they are conscious choices. As a software and Web application developer, I spend a big portion of my work hours (at least those when I&#039;m awake) rooting around in development environments and editors with text displayed in a monospaced typeface and the legibility of same is crucial to me. (And ironically, I work with several individuals who claim they can&#039;t tell the difference between Verdana and Arial, but I&#039;m close to deciding they may just be saying that to irk me.) I&#039;m a fan of Inconsolata (but wish it had other weights and styles) and Anonymous Pro; I prefer Menlo over Monaco; I prefer drinking salted lukewarm Florida tapwater to Courier in any of its various incarnations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, Eric. I have a sort of lukewarm relationship with Thunderbird and the way it deals with font preferences, as well. The one that bothers me is that I prefer to send text/plain e-mail messages but can&#8217;t understand why Thunderbird insists on forcing me to compose those messages in a monospaced font. text/plain should not have to equate to monospaced for either display or composition (for legibility) but Thunderbird seems to think otherwise&#8230; and seems to think that how I choose to display messages should be used for how I choose to compose them, and offers no control unique to the latter.</p>
<p>I know it wasn&#8217;t the point of your post, but I&#8217;m with Jeff Byrnes and his comment above: I&#8217;m always curious to hear why people choose the monospaced typefaces they prefer, particularly when they are conscious choices. As a software and Web application developer, I spend a big portion of my work hours (at least those when I&#8217;m awake) rooting around in development environments and editors with text displayed in a monospaced typeface and the legibility of same is crucial to me. (And ironically, I work with several individuals who claim they can&#8217;t tell the difference between Verdana and Arial, but I&#8217;m close to deciding they may just be saying that to irk me.) I&#8217;m a fan of Inconsolata (but wish it had other weights and styles) and Anonymous Pro; I prefer Menlo over Monaco; I prefer drinking salted lukewarm Florida tapwater to Courier in any of its various incarnations.</p>
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		<title>By: Lachlan Hunt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lachlan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can understand why you&#039;re choosing not to use Menlo, since I don&#039;t like it either, but why Courier?  Monaco is a far nicer looking font.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand why you&#8217;re choosing not to use Menlo, since I don&#8217;t like it either, but why Courier?  Monaco is a far nicer looking font.</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle Pagaltzis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aristotle Pagaltzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 06:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was genuinely stunned and would have liked to hear what there is to like about Courier (if it can be articulated). My bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was genuinely stunned and would have liked to hear what there is to like about Courier (if it can be articulated). My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Mariano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Mariano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for writing this, Eric!  Some of my e-mail messages looked very different and I couldn&#039;t immediately figure out why.

I actually don&#039;t have a huge problem when program updates change an old default setting to a new one, like when Firefox introduced the Awesome bar and extended the history settings.  But in that case, I liked that it was part of the update information that that was happening.  This new font was stealthy and confused me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing this, Eric!  Some of my e-mail messages looked very different and I couldn&#8217;t immediately figure out why.</p>
<p>I actually don&#8217;t have a huge problem when program updates change an old default setting to a new one, like when Firefox introduced the Awesome bar and extended the history settings.  But in that case, I liked that it was part of the update information that that was happening.  This new font was stealthy and confused me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Byrnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Byrnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Eric, the razor-sharp comeback gave me a nice chuckle. And while &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-503999&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aristotle&lt;/a&gt; was totally off-base, I am genuinely curious as to why you prefer Courier over the myriad other monospaced fonts out there. Does it just has a special place in your heart, or is it something &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt;?

And lest I&#039;ve put myself on the chopping block, there&#039;s no hate for Courier here. I just enjoy hearing people&#039;s opinions on their typographical choices. At least, when they&#039;re &lt;em&gt;deliberate&lt;/em&gt; choices…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, the razor-sharp comeback gave me a nice chuckle. And while <a href="#comment-503999" rel="nofollow">Aristotle</a> was totally off-base, I am genuinely curious as to why you prefer Courier over the myriad other monospaced fonts out there. Does it just has a special place in your heart, or is it something <em>more</em>?</p>
<p>And lest I&#8217;ve put myself on the chopping block, there&#8217;s no hate for Courier here. I just enjoy hearing people&#8217;s opinions on their typographical choices. At least, when they&#8217;re <em>deliberate</em> choices…</p>
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