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	<title>Comments on: Reset v2.0</title>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-547357</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 20:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What can I say. Thank you thank you thank you Eric for removing outline: 0; - the beers are on me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What can I say. Thank you thank you thank you Eric for removing outline: 0; &#8211; the beers are on me!</p>
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		<title>By: McBenny</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-546939</link>
		<dc:creator>McBenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 11:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Eric,

Nice to see an update !
What about new elements coming with HTML5 and the new default behaviours of the browsers ? I&#039;m thinking of the way webkit styles the new &quot;search&quot; types of inputs for example.
You can find some infos here : &lt;a href=&quot;http://webdesignerwall.com/tutorials/cross-browser-html5-placeholder-text&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://webdesignerwall.com/tutorials/cross-browser-html5-placeholder-text&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s not the main subject but is pointed out.

See you !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Eric,</p>
<p>Nice to see an update !<br />
What about new elements coming with HTML5 and the new default behaviours of the browsers ? I&#8217;m thinking of the way webkit styles the new &#8220;search&#8221; types of inputs for example.<br />
You can find some infos here : <a href="http://webdesignerwall.com/tutorials/cross-browser-html5-placeholder-text" rel="nofollow">http://webdesignerwall.com/tutorials/cross-browser-html5-placeholder-text</a>. It&#8217;s not the main subject but is pointed out.</p>
<p>See you !</p>
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		<title>By: Paul D. Waite</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-542873</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul D. Waite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FYI, there’s a slight clash between reset 2.0 and ie7.js 2.1 beta4 that results in a JavaScript error in IE 6 and 7.

It’s detailed here, with a CSS workaround:

http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/issues/detail?id=307]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, there’s a slight clash between reset 2.0 and ie7.js 2.1 beta4 that results in a JavaScript error in IE 6 and 7.</p>
<p>It’s detailed here, with a CSS workaround:</p>
<p><a href="http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/issues/detail?id=307" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/issues/detail?id=307</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-542624</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Mar 2011 02:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-536938&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FrankyJ&lt;/a&gt;, please stop that.  You&#039;re making your sites more inaccessible when you do.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-540850&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve&lt;/a&gt;, ems are no more modern than percentages, nor vice versa—the two are interchangeable (per the spec, anyway).  I don&#039;t really even have a preference between the two.  I simply must&#039;ve been in a percentage mood the day I wrote that declaration.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-542599&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Norman&lt;/a&gt; (and &lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-534043&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clair&lt;/a&gt;), that&#039;s &lt;em&gt;exactly&lt;/em&gt; what the &lt;code&gt;font: inherit&lt;/code&gt; is for.  The only reason the original reset didn&#039;t do that was that I couldn&#039;t do it then (since &lt;code&gt;inherit&lt;/code&gt; support was more limited) without breaking the normal operation of inheritance.  You might usually want emphasis elements italic and strong-emphasis elements bold, but similarly you could argue that since one usually wants &lt;code&gt;h1&lt;/code&gt;s to be big, the font size shouldn&#039;t be reset either.

The point of a reset is to zero out as much as possible, and now it&#039;s more possible to zero out that sort of typographical default.  That said, the point of a reset is also to serve as a starting point for your own baseline styles, so if you dislike that declaration, take it out or otherwise adapt the styles to your personal liking.  In the meantime, you might think about why those elements have their usual defaults, and try to imagine circumstances in which you might want to do something different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-536938" rel="nofollow">FrankyJ</a>, please stop that.  You&#8217;re making your sites more inaccessible when you do.</p>
<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-540850" rel="nofollow">Steve</a>, ems are no more modern than percentages, nor vice versa—the two are interchangeable (per the spec, anyway).  I don&#8217;t really even have a preference between the two.  I simply must&#8217;ve been in a percentage mood the day I wrote that declaration.</p>
<p><a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-542599" rel="nofollow">Norman</a> (and <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-534043" rel="nofollow">Clair</a>), that&#8217;s <em>exactly</em> what the <code>font: inherit</code> is for.  The only reason the original reset didn&#8217;t do that was that I couldn&#8217;t do it then (since <code>inherit</code> support was more limited) without breaking the normal operation of inheritance.  You might usually want emphasis elements italic and strong-emphasis elements bold, but similarly you could argue that since one usually wants <code>h1</code>s to be big, the font size shouldn&#8217;t be reset either.</p>
<p>The point of a reset is to zero out as much as possible, and now it&#8217;s more possible to zero out that sort of typographical default.  That said, the point of a reset is also to serve as a starting point for your own baseline styles, so if you dislike that declaration, take it out or otherwise adapt the styles to your personal liking.  In the meantime, you might think about why those elements have their usual defaults, and try to imagine circumstances in which you might want to do something different.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 22:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Eric,

I&#039;m asking myself the same thing as Clair wrote... what&#039;s font: inherit; for?
It was an ugly surprise not having the &lt;strong&gt;s bolded and the &lt;em&gt;s italic when using this new Reset.css version]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m asking myself the same thing as Clair wrote&#8230; what&#8217;s font: inherit; for?<br />
It was an ugly surprise not having the &lt;strong&gt;s bolded and the &lt;em&gt;s italic when using this new Reset.css version</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ooo</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-540850</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ooo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One simple question: Why do you you % instead of ems in the reset? Isn&#039;t em the more &quot;modern&quot; unit?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One simple question: Why do you you % instead of ems in the reset? Isn&#8217;t em the more &#8220;modern&#8221; unit?</p>
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		<title>By: FrankyJ</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-536938</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankyJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2011 03:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks again for the reset eric! The only thing I ever add to it though is putting outline:none on A tags]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for the reset eric! The only thing I ever add to it though is putting outline:none on A tags</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-536300</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 21:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matija, those are certainly things you can do to your personal copy of the rest, but they don&#039;t really belong in the one I created.

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I avoid form elements like inputs for very specific reasons (search the site for &quot;Reset Reasoning&quot; and &quot;Formal Weirdness&quot;).&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I don&#039;t impose a font size other than the browser default because that presumes that I know the best way to size fonts for anyone who might use the reset, and I don&#039;t.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I definitely don&#039;t touch hyperlink underlining because that&#039;s one of the last sacred user settings, as far as I&#039;m concerned.  I firmly believe that whether they&#039;re underlined or not should always be up to the user, not the author.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;And considering that one of the primary changes of Reset v2.0 was to stop removing outlines from hyperlinks when people didn&#039;t change my base reset styles, I&#039;m very definitely not adding that back in.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matija, those are certainly things you can do to your personal copy of the rest, but they don&#8217;t really belong in the one I created.</p>
<ol>
<li>I avoid form elements like inputs for very specific reasons (search the site for &#8220;Reset Reasoning&#8221; and &#8220;Formal Weirdness&#8221;).</li>
<li>I don&#8217;t impose a font size other than the browser default because that presumes that I know the best way to size fonts for anyone who might use the reset, and I don&#8217;t.</li>
<li>I definitely don&#8217;t touch hyperlink underlining because that&#8217;s one of the last sacred user settings, as far as I&#8217;m concerned.  I firmly believe that whether they&#8217;re underlined or not should always be up to the user, not the author.</li>
<li>And considering that one of the primary changes of Reset v2.0 was to stop removing outlines from hyperlinks when people didn&#8217;t change my base reset styles, I&#8217;m very definitely not adding that back in.</li>
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		<title>By: Matija</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-536291</link>
		<dc:creator>Matija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[update on last post :)

For font-size: 62.5% to work font-size: 100%; and font-size: inherit; should be removed from... &quot;global&quot; reset at the top.

I always use ems for font-size so i removed it from reset and it works good.

And at the end, at a { text-decoration: none; } you can add outline: 0; so you wont have that outline browsers when you click a link. Some people use keyboards to navigate through links so it ok to left outline for them, but i remove outline on links... it joust looks ugly in nice web application. 

Here is v2:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4505125/resetv2.css

Hope you will implement some of this code! 
Thanks for the css reset!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>update on last post :)</p>
<p>For font-size: 62.5% to work font-size: 100%; and font-size: inherit; should be removed from&#8230; &#8220;global&#8221; reset at the top.</p>
<p>I always use ems for font-size so i removed it from reset and it works good.</p>
<p>And at the end, at a { text-decoration: none; } you can add outline: 0; so you wont have that outline browsers when you click a link. Some people use keyboards to navigate through links so it ok to left outline for them, but i remove outline on links&#8230; it joust looks ugly in nice web application. </p>
<p>Here is v2:<br />
<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4505125/resetv2.css" rel="nofollow">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4505125/resetv2.css</a></p>
<p>Hope you will implement some of this code!<br />
Thanks for the css reset!</p>
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		<title>By: Matija</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-536287</link>
		<dc:creator>Matija</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your CSS reset, Im using it now for my project and I have some improvements: 

1. input should be included in all elements reset so it has padding: 0, margin: 0 etc. If you dont include input border-radius wont work, and if you set input as fixed width and height it wont be pixel perfect! It will have some padding or margin depending on the browser!

2. Add font-size: 62.5% to body tag! After that you can use ems to define font-size. 1em = 10px! This is nice if you prefer ems over px to define font-size, and I believe ems should be used to set font-size.

3. Add a { text-decoration: none; } I dont use text-decoration that much so... well this last one could stay but I like it better if links dont have text-decoration &quot;out of the box&quot;.

Here is my modified css reset: 
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4505125/reset.css

What do you guys think about this improvements?
And what about input? Did you have any problems with input?
I think input should have reset with other elements.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your CSS reset, Im using it now for my project and I have some improvements: </p>
<p>1. input should be included in all elements reset so it has padding: 0, margin: 0 etc. If you dont include input border-radius wont work, and if you set input as fixed width and height it wont be pixel perfect! It will have some padding or margin depending on the browser!</p>
<p>2. Add font-size: 62.5% to body tag! After that you can use ems to define font-size. 1em = 10px! This is nice if you prefer ems over px to define font-size, and I believe ems should be used to set font-size.</p>
<p>3. Add a { text-decoration: none; } I dont use text-decoration that much so&#8230; well this last one could stay but I like it better if links dont have text-decoration &#8220;out of the box&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here is my modified css reset:<br />
<a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4505125/reset.css" rel="nofollow">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4505125/reset.css</a></p>
<p>What do you guys think about this improvements?<br />
And what about input? Did you have any problems with input?<br />
I think input should have reset with other elements.</p>
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		<title>By: 57 Degrees North</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-535386</link>
		<dc:creator>57 Degrees North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome, been using reset for a few years now but will upgrade scratch files now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome, been using reset for a few years now but will upgrade scratch files now.</p>
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		<title>By: Clair</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-534043</link>
		<dc:creator>Clair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 00:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the update, Eric

I&#039;ve noticed that the new &lt;code&gt;font: inherit&lt;/code&gt; line removes boldness from the &lt;strong&gt; tag - I&#039;m wondering what your reasons behind it are? (I know the tag isn&#039;t supposed to be presentational, but wouldn&#039;t you want strong text to be bold in most cases?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, Eric</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that the new <code>font: inherit</code> line removes boldness from the &lt;strong&gt; tag &#8211; I&#8217;m wondering what your reasons behind it are? (I know the tag isn&#8217;t supposed to be presentational, but wouldn&#8217;t you want strong text to be bold in most cases?)</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-533787</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 02:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s as necessary.  Certainly one can add it to the markup if it makes you feel better, or if you have to support a lot of really old browsers, but at this point the vast majority of browsers in use understand those rules and so I don&#039;t think the markup is as important.  But absolutely test that assumption in your own projects, and act according to what you find.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s as necessary.  Certainly one can add it to the markup if it makes you feel better, or if you have to support a lot of really old browsers, but at this point the vast majority of browsers in use understand those rules and so I don&#8217;t think the markup is as important.  But absolutely test that assumption in your own projects, and act according to what you find.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2011/01/26/reset-v2-0/#comment-533785</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2011 02:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Eric,

The last CSS reset had this in the comments:
/* tables still need &#039;cellspacing=&quot;0&quot;&#039; in the markup */ 

But now it&#039;s gone!

Do we no longer need to add cellspacing=&quot;0&quot; into the markup?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Eric,</p>
<p>The last CSS reset had this in the comments:<br />
/* tables still need &#8216;cellspacing=&#8221;0&#8243;&#8216; in the markup */ </p>
<p>But now it&#8217;s gone!</p>
<p>Do we no longer need to add cellspacing=&#8221;0&#8243; into the markup?</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; [Friday Links] The HTML Edition - Wayne State Web Communications Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; [Friday Links] The HTML Edition - Wayne State Web Communications Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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