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	<title>Comments on: S5 Final Candidate</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Everman</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-5146</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Everman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2005 04:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this pretty.css entry:

.slide h1 {
  text-transform: capitalize;
}

is an anti-feature.  It seems to cause Safari to capitalize a letter following a single quote (can&#039;T) and the capitalization is not always wanted.

$.02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this pretty.css entry:</p>
<p>.slide h1 {<br />
  text-transform: capitalize;<br />
}</p>
<p>is an anti-feature.  It seems to cause Safari to capitalize a letter following a single quote (can&#8217;T) and the capitalization is not always wanted.</p>
<p>$.02</p>
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		<title>By: Steffen Gl�ckselig</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>Steffen Gl�ckselig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,

You could get rid of that behavior by removing &lt;code&gt;text-transform: capitalize;&lt;/code&gt; from &lt;code&gt;pretty.css&lt;/code&gt; in the rule for &lt;code&gt;.slide h1&lt;/code&gt;.

regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>You could get rid of that behavior by removing <code>text-transform: capitalize;</code> from <code>pretty.css</code> in the rule for <code>.slide h1</code>.</p>
<p>regards</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Steinberg</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Steinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice job Eric, thanks. I used S5 for two conference presentations this week. One bug (feature gone wrong?), you convert all words in each slide&#039;s title to caps. The implementation results in &quot;you can&#039;t do that in .local&quot; being rendered as &quot;You Can&#039;T Do That In .Local&quot;. Can we keep the &quot;T&quot; from being upper case? What about the &quot;L&quot;?

Thanks, Daniel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice job Eric, thanks. I used S5 for two conference presentations this week. One bug (feature gone wrong?), you convert all words in each slide&#8217;s title to caps. The implementation results in &#8220;you can&#8217;t do that in .local&#8221; being rendered as &#8220;You Can&#8217;T Do That In .Local&#8221;. Can we keep the &#8220;T&#8221; from being upper case? What about the &#8220;L&#8221;?</p>
<p>Thanks, Daniel</p>
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		<title>By: Penmachine words music comment</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Penmachine words music comment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;More on replacing PowerPoint&lt;/strong&gt;
Some days ago I mentioned Eric Meyer&#039;s browser-based PowerPoint replacement, called S5. Now there are additional slide themes, and ways to turn a regular weblog into an S5 presentation/slideshow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>More on replacing PowerPoint</strong><br />
Some days ago I mentioned Eric Meyer&#8217;s browser-based PowerPoint replacement, called S5. Now there are additional slide themes, and ways to turn a regular weblog into an S5 presentation/slideshow.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;to keep things more consistent with OSF 1.0, I altered the S5 format to use h1 elements for slide titles, whereas before they were h2 elements.&quot; I preferred the old way, so that there was a distinction between the title slide heading, and those of the rest of the slides.  

I don&#039;t think you should be afraid of diverging from OSF where it can be improved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;to keep things more consistent with OSF 1.0, I altered the S5 format to use h1 elements for slide titles, whereas before they were h2 elements.&#8221; I preferred the old way, so that there was a distinction between the title slide heading, and those of the rest of the slides.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you should be afraid of diverging from OSF where it can be improved.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Johansson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1324</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Johansson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brian (#53): Too much content is probably what made me see the scrollbar in IE6. I realised that when reading your comment on low resolution monitors. Seems like IE6 always makes room for the tallest slide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brian (#53): Too much content is probably what made me see the scrollbar in IE6. I realised that when reading your comment on low resolution monitors. Seems like IE6 always makes room for the tallest slide.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Hense</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1310</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Hense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three things:
&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I have written a German &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.germanistik.fu-berlin.de/~hense/web/slideshow/s5-css.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tutorial for creating new S5-CSS-themes&lt;/a&gt; (raw styled, will be published with the known &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yatil.de/s5/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;German S5-translation&lt;/a&gt; by Eric Eggert, soon). If anyone is able to do a better English translation than I could, you&#039;re welcome!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;I am with brian (comment #53), and &lt;i&gt;onclick=&quot;go()�&lt;/i&gt; would be the better solution than &lt;i&gt;javascript:go()&lt;/i&gt; where accessability is concerned!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Great, Steffen (comment #54) did exactly the thing I was recently missing!&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three things:</p>
<ul>
<li>I have written a German <a href="http://www.germanistik.fu-berlin.de/~hense/web/slideshow/s5-css.html" rel="nofollow">tutorial for creating new S5-CSS-themes</a> (raw styled, will be published with the known <a href="http://www.yatil.de/s5/" rel="nofollow">German S5-translation</a> by Eric Eggert, soon). If anyone is able to do a better English translation than I could, you&#8217;re welcome!</li>
<li>I am with brian (comment #53), and <i>onclick=&#8221;go()�</i> would be the better solution than <i>javascript:go()</i> where accessability is concerned!</li>
<li>Great, Steffen (comment #54) did exactly the thing I was recently missing!</li>
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		<title>By: TomH</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1309</link>
		<dc:creator>TomH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>looks very nice. maybe its a nice idea to work with &lt;dt&gt; and &lt;dl&gt; so you can hide the defenition descriptions in your slideshow where you can tell about them while you actually show them on the original website and the printer version. Users will have some more details about several stuff then handled in the presentation.&lt;/dl&gt;&lt;/dt&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>looks very nice. maybe its a nice idea to work with
<dt> and
<dl> so you can hide the defenition descriptions in your slideshow where you can tell about them while you actually show them on the original website and the printer version. Users will have some more details about several stuff then handled in the presentation.</dl>
</dt>
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		<title>By: Penmachine words music comment</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1308</link>
		<dc:creator>Penmachine words music comment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Comments on Holy Grail of PowerPoint replacements&lt;/strong&gt;
I think of it two ways: the concept is the Holy Grail, even if the execution isn&#039;t all the way there; and not having animations and in-slide actions isn&#039;t so bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Comments on Holy Grail of PowerPoint replacements</strong><br />
I think of it two ways: the concept is the Holy Grail, even if the execution isn&#8217;t all the way there; and not having animations and in-slide actions isn&#8217;t so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Steffen Gl</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1302</link>
		<dc:creator>Steffen Gl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 08:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;During working with S5 I&#039;ve noticed that it would always go to the next slide upon clicking on a slide - even after selecting some text and moving the mouse.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think this could get a mess when trying to highlight some portion of text during a presentation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I&#039;ve extended the JavaScript to be able to handle text-selections (i.e. movements of the mouse while holding the button).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, I&#039;ve added the following code at the bottom of &lt;code&gt;slides.js&lt;/code&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;var start_posX = 0;
var start_posY = 0;

function start_clicker(e){
  if (window.event) {
		e = window.event;
	}

  start_posX = e.screenX;
  start_posY = e.screenY;
}

function mouse_moved(e){
  return Math.abs(e.screenX - start_posX) &gt; 10 &#124;&#124; Math.abs(e.screenY - start_posY) &gt; 10;
}&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then I&#039;ve registered it with &lt;code&gt;startup()&lt;/code&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;pre&gt;&lt;code&gt;document.onmouseup = clicker;
document.onmousedown = start_clicker;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/pre&gt;&lt;p&gt;Note that these two lines are supposed to replace &lt;code&gt;document.onclick = clicker;&lt;/code&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then &lt;code&gt;clicker()&lt;/code&gt; had to be adopted. Replace &lt;code&gt;if (target.href != null &#124;&#124; isParentOrSelf(target, &#039;controls&#039;)) return true;&lt;/code&gt; with &lt;code&gt;if (target.href != null &#124;&#124; &lt;b&gt;mouse_moved(e) &#124;&#124;&lt;/b&gt; isParentOrSelf(target, &#039;controls&#039;)) return true;&lt;/code&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now a slide won&#039;t react (move to the next slide) if the mouse was moved more than 10 pixels either horizontally or vertically while holding down a mouse-button.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve tested with Firefox and it seems to work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During working with S5 I&#8217;ve noticed that it would always go to the next slide upon clicking on a slide &#8211; even after selecting some text and moving the mouse.</p>
<p>I think this could get a mess when trying to highlight some portion of text during a presentation.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ve extended the JavaScript to be able to handle text-selections (i.e. movements of the mouse while holding the button).</p>
<p>First, I&#8217;ve added the following code at the bottom of <code>slides.js</code>:</p>
<pre><code>var start_posX = 0;
var start_posY = 0;

function start_clicker(e){
  if (window.event) {
		e = window.event;
	}

  start_posX = e.screenX;
  start_posY = e.screenY;
}

function mouse_moved(e){
  return Math.abs(e.screenX - start_posX) > 10 || Math.abs(e.screenY - start_posY) > 10;
}</code></pre>
<p>Then I&#8217;ve registered it with <code>startup()</code>:</p>
<pre><code>document.onmouseup = clicker;
document.onmousedown = start_clicker;</code></pre>
<p>Note that these two lines are supposed to replace <code>document.onclick = clicker;</code>!</p>
<p>Then <code>clicker()</code> had to be adopted. Replace <code>if (target.href != null || isParentOrSelf(target, 'controls')) return true;</code> with <code>if (target.href != null || <b>mouse_moved(e) ||</b> isParentOrSelf(target, 'controls')) return true;</code></p>
<p>Now a slide won&#8217;t react (move to the next slide) if the mouse was moved more than 10 pixels either horizontally or vertically while holding down a mouse-button.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve tested with Firefox and it seems to work.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1295</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work, i downloaded the slides and have a few suggestions, maybe you have already thought these through and dropped them for some reason or another.

- You use innerHTML, i&#039;m not sure that&#039;s as good a system as document.createElement, with createElement you cannot create invalid code.

- The next/prev links use javascript:go(), if you used the onclick=&quot;go()&quot; then you could used the DOM function setAttribute() to add IDs to the DIVs for anchor links, and dynamically update the hrefs to href=&quot;#id&quot; that way when you toggled the slide presentations it would jump down to the same slide text in both formats.

- in low resolution monitors, there is no scrolling of the text in FireFox and strange scrolling in IE 6.0, on windows. So i miss the last few bullet points.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work, i downloaded the slides and have a few suggestions, maybe you have already thought these through and dropped them for some reason or another.</p>
<p>- You use innerHTML, i&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s as good a system as document.createElement, with createElement you cannot create invalid code.</p>
<p>- The next/prev links use javascript:go(), if you used the onclick=&#8221;go()&#8221; then you could used the DOM function setAttribute() to add IDs to the DIVs for anchor links, and dynamically update the hrefs to href=&#8221;#id&#8221; that way when you toggled the slide presentations it would jump down to the same slide text in both formats.</p>
<p>- in low resolution monitors, there is no scrolling of the text in FireFox and strange scrolling in IE 6.0, on windows. So i miss the last few bullet points.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Johansson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1279</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Johansson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent stuff. I&#039;ll be using this for an upcoming presentation. I have noticed a slight visual glitch in IE6/Win though: you can always scroll vertically. Just a little bit, but still. Not really a problem for me since I won&#039;t be using IE, but there may be people out there who cling to their poor old browser ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent stuff. I&#8217;ll be using this for an upcoming presentation. I have noticed a slight visual glitch in IE6/Win though: you can always scroll vertically. Just a little bit, but still. Not really a problem for me since I won&#8217;t be using IE, but there may be people out there who cling to their poor old browser ;)</p>
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		<title>By: alex cook</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator>alex cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2004 03:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only problem i see is the back button. theoretically you will be using this in kiosk mode, but someone inevitably won&#039;t.  is there anyway to enable the back button?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only problem i see is the back button. theoretically you will be using this in kiosk mode, but someone inevitably won&#8217;t.  is there anyway to enable the back button?</p>
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		<title>By: Penmachine words music comment</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1266</link>
		<dc:creator>Penmachine words music comment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Holy Grail of PowerPoint replacements&lt;/strong&gt;
Eric Meyer has created a browser-based replacement for PowerPoint [and] a sample presentation that also explains what&#039;s so cool about the whole thing. One click and you can see the exact same material without all the layout elements. Holy cow. And it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Holy Grail of PowerPoint replacements</strong><br />
Eric Meyer has created a browser-based replacement for PowerPoint [and] a sample presentation that also explains what&#8217;s so cool about the whole thing. One click and you can see the exact same material without all the layout elements. Holy cow. And it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Florian Feldhaus</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/07/s5-final-candidate/#comment-1264</link>
		<dc:creator>Florian Feldhaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone thought about combining S5 with SVG? Then you would have the power to do Animations and Charts and Diagrams (even in Realtime!)
If someone plays with SVG and S5 it would be nice to hear what is possible.
When I find the time at the beginning of the next year, I&#039;ll try myself..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone thought about combining S5 with SVG? Then you would have the power to do Animations and Charts and Diagrams (even in Realtime!)<br />
If someone plays with SVG and S5 it would be nice to hear what is possible.<br />
When I find the time at the beginning of the next year, I&#8217;ll try myself..</p>
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