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	<title>Comments on: Dead Letters</title>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1378</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We seem to have things fixed-- I&#039;m getting css-d mail again, not to mention the enormous piles of lovely, lovely spam that my address draws.  Thanks for all the help, folks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem to have things fixed&#8211; I&#8217;m getting css-d mail again, not to mention the enormous piles of lovely, lovely spam that my address draws.  Thanks for all the help, folks!</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Ruzicka</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1376</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Ruzicka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1373&quot;&gt;Telnet established a connection to the machine, but didn&quot;t get as far as creating an SMTP connection &lt;/blockquote&gt;
That may be a firawall issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1373"><p>Telnet established a connection to the machine, but didn&#8221;t get as far as creating an SMTP connection </p></blockquote>
<p>That may be a firawall issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Seb</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator>Seb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried connecting manually, via telnet on port 25, to the mail server.

Telnet established a connection to the machine, but didn&#039;t get as far as creating an SMTP connection - so it sounds more like the SMTP service not being running rather than meyerweb not being configured correctly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried connecting manually, via telnet on port 25, to the mail server.</p>
<p>Telnet established a connection to the machine, but didn&#8217;t get as far as creating an SMTP connection &#8211; so it sounds more like the SMTP service not being running rather than meyerweb not being configured correctly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mae</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>Mae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received the same error message as Steve. This appeared above  what Steve posted. I&#039;m assuming it&#039;s one of yours; I checked &quot;whois&quot; &amp; it&#039;s identical except for the last digit. 

Received: from hosting.theopalgroup.com (unverified [204.31.77.14]) by mail.gotnet.net

Message-ID: &lt;4179DF6F.5070207@gotnet.net&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received the same error message as Steve. This appeared above  what Steve posted. I&#8217;m assuming it&#8217;s one of yours; I checked &#8220;whois&#8221; &#038; it&#8217;s identical except for the last digit. </p>
<p>Received: from hosting.theopalgroup.com (unverified [204.31.77.14]) by mail.gotnet.net</p>
<p>Message-ID: &lt;4179DF6F.5070207@gotnet.net></p>
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		<title>By: John Handelaar</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>John Handelaar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 07:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morning.

&lt;blockquote&gt;From nslookup (MX)...
mail.meyerweb.com       internet address = 204.31.77.14&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And then in the console:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&gt;ping 204.31.77.14

Pinging 204.31.77.14 with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.

(etc)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your mail server is dead.  It is also true that some other machine who doesn&#039;t know who you are is picking up the phone, but your main problem is that 204.31.77.14 is 

a) unreachable, and
b) listed as primary for your mail.

Gimme a shout on IM if you need anything :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning.</p>
<blockquote><p>From nslookup (MX)&#8230;<br />
mail.meyerweb.com       internet address = 204.31.77.14</p></blockquote>
<p>And then in the console:</p>
<blockquote><p>>ping 204.31.77.14</p>
<p>Pinging 204.31.77.14 with 32 bytes of data:</p>
<p>Request timed out.<br />
Request timed out.</p>
<p>(etc)
</p></blockquote>
<p>Your mail server is dead.  It is also true that some other machine who doesn&#8217;t know who you are is picking up the phone, but your main problem is that 204.31.77.14 is </p>
<p>a) unreachable, and<br />
b) listed as primary for your mail.</p>
<p>Gimme a shout on IM if you need anything :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1368</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Non-authoritative answer:
&gt; meyerweb.com	mail exchanger = 0 mail.meyerweb.com.

It looks like meyerweb.com, mail.meyerweb.com, and hosting.theopalgroup.com are the same machine, so the machine that hosts your site is also the one handling the email.

On qmail, the file your domain is missing from is probably either /var/qmail/control/locals or /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts. I think it needs to be in /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains too if they&#039;re using the typical virtual domain setup.

For what it&#039;s worth. Short answer: bother your host, it appears to be something they need to fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Non-authoritative answer:<br />
> meyerweb.com	mail exchanger = 0 mail.meyerweb.com.</p>
<p>It looks like meyerweb.com, mail.meyerweb.com, and hosting.theopalgroup.com are the same machine, so the machine that hosts your site is also the one handling the email.</p>
<p>On qmail, the file your domain is missing from is probably either /var/qmail/control/locals or /var/qmail/control/rcpthosts. I think it needs to be in /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains too if they&#8217;re using the typical virtual domain setup.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth. Short answer: bother your host, it appears to be something they need to fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1367</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric,

Sorry, xxx@xxxx.xx is me removing my email address. In the error message you get my email address quoted correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric,</p>
<p>Sorry, <a href="mailto:xxx@xxxx.xx">xxx@xxxx.xx</a> is me removing my email address. In the error message you get my email address quoted correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Fleishman</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1366</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Fleishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mail server that receives your email was reconfigured to omit meyerweb.com as a local host. It&#039;s possible that the mailserver is down and a backup mail server is running instead with the same name and an outdated file.

I don&#039;t know how qmail lists local domains. In sendmail, there&#039;s an external file that has the list. If a domain is missing from that list, you get the error above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mail server that receives your email was reconfigured to omit meyerweb.com as a local host. It&#8217;s possible that the mailserver is down and a backup mail server is running instead with the same name and an outdated file.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how qmail lists local domains. In sendmail, there&#8217;s an external file that has the list. If a domain is missing from that list, you get the error above.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1365</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Steve.  Do the xxxx@xxxx.xxx strings come straight from the original, or is that an edit you made to mask out an address?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Steve.  Do the <a href="mailto:xxxx@xxxx.xxx">xxxx@xxxx.xxx</a> strings come straight from the original, or is that an edit you made to mask out an address?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/10/22/dead-letters/#comment-1363</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Oct 2004 03:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is what I got back. Can give you the full route info if you want...

&lt;code&gt;
From: MAILER-DAEMON@hosting.theopalgroup.com
Subject: failure notice
To: xxxx@xxxx.xxx
Message-id: &lt;200410230304.W9N304SY00001A38@berry.computer.org&gt;
Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxx@xxxx.xxx

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at hosting.theopalgroup.com.
I&#039;m afraid I wasn&#039;t able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I&#039;ve given up. Sorry it didn&#039;t work out.

&lt;eric @meyerweb.com&gt;:
Sorry. Although I&#039;m listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,
it isn&#039;t in my control/locals file, so I don&#039;t treat it as local. (#5.4.6)
&lt;/code&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is what I got back. Can give you the full route info if you want&#8230;</p>
<p><code><br />
From: <a href="mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@hosting.theopalgroup.com">MAILER-DAEMON@hosting.theopalgroup.com</a><br />
Subject: failure notice<br />
To: <a href="mailto:xxxx@xxxx.xxx">xxxx@xxxx.xxx</a><br />
Message-id: &lt;200410230304.W9N304SY00001A38@berry.computer.org><br />
Original-recipient: rfc822;xxxx@xxxx.xxx</p>
<p>Hi. This is the qmail-send program at hosting.theopalgroup.com.<br />
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.<br />
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.</p>
<p>&lt;eric @meyerweb.com&gt;:<br />
Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host,<br />
it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6)<br />
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