Comments on: Deep Linking, Shallow Thinking

By: Nemasu

Nemasu — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:10:21 +0000

At least they allow you to link to the main page. I’m reminded of a similar condition posted by Hutchison Whampoa on it’s webpage. I just checked, and hey, the ridiculous condition is still there! It reads:

No person, whether an individual or a body corporate, shall create or establish a hyperlink to the HWL Corporate Website by hypertext reference or imaging without the written permission of Hutchison.

Please note that I can’t give any links, lest Eric gets into legal tussle with them. Just do a Google search on the name, go there, and click on the “Copyright 2003 bla bla bla” at the footer to see for yourselves ;-)

By: Orbitz Legal Department

Orbitz Legal Department — Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:34:48 +0000

Mr. Meyer,

Your request to link to our site and use the Mark of Orbitz is approved.

Thank you for using Orbitz,
The Orbitz Legal Department

[This comment might have been more believable if it hadn't come from a Comcast IP address. -E.]

By: Small Paul

Small Paul — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:12:24 +0000

I suspect this sort of thing is brewed up by the lawyers, to cover their clients in case anyone ever tries to sue them for something. Once people think they might need something, and it costs nothing to put it in, it’ll go in. That’s why terms and conditions are inevitably huge documents.

So don’t worry folks, this will never actually affect any of us, except for the amusement we’re gleaning over the gap between the internet, and many people’s understanding of it.

The 2004 Olympics website had a similar thing going on.

By: C

Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:02:33 +0000

This all seems like Microsoft vs Ticketmaster deja vu. If Orbitz wants to forbid deep linking, they can programmatically redirect from references outside their domain. It appears to me that they are softening their linking policies. I still believe, however, that the onus is on the linkee not the linker.

By: Damien

Damien — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:23:09 +0000

This, as with everything on the internet, is wide open to abuse. How are they going to tell you are linking to them, by searching every site on the face of the planet for links to their site? Or, the more logical answer, by checking their server logs and checking the referrer? The thing is that the referrer is just a part of the HTTP header sent to the web server when you request a page and as such can be faked. I could connect to their server saying that http://www.microsoft.com/obitz_sucks.html was linking to them, then write a script to repeatedly hit their server using this as the referrer and randomly generate the IP & browser so it looks like they’re been flooded with different visits from that page. Of course that would be naughty and I’m a good boy so I won’t do that. Fun thoght though ;-)

By: Peter Foti

Peter Foti — Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:16:37 +0000

I just Googled “orbitz travel” and got back 2 links to the website. The first was the home page, the second was not. Naughty Google! :P

By: Joe D'Andrea

Joe D'Andrea — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:21:59 +0000

This reminds me of the 1985 U.S. Senate hearings on record labeling, in particular when Frank Zappa called the PMRC demands “the equivalent of treating dandruff by decapitation.” Incredible.

I’ll just have to Orbitz and golink elsewhere.

By: Vergil Iliescu

Vergil Iliescu — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 06:58:50 +0000

Perhaps the thinking behind policy is to provide some sort of protection(?) against those who would creat a travel web site which say, scrapes Orbitz and other sites and puts together a comparison chart. That way, they could insist the site removes the links and comparisons.
Eg kayak.com does this sort of thing, but they have an agreement with Orbitz, I think, and with many other sites.

Or maybe they are clueless. I’m not sure.

By: Tommy Eliassen

Tommy Eliassen — Sun, 13 Mar 2005 00:45:23 +0000

Hi!

I was wondering about what will happen when they contact you about these links you have here and want them removed, and you refuse. What can they do about that?!

I mean, is there some presedence in in cases like this? (I wouldn’t think so, I have never heard of something like this), but what do I know :)

Oh, btw, thank you for teaching me CSS.

By: Justin Perkins

Justin Perkins — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:29:44 +0000

I have always preferred the method of linking to a site’s home page. That way I can include a huge list of instructions on how to find a document. Go here, then click on X item in the upper left (with a blue background) and then click on Y in the upper left and look for the words “What are URI’s for anyway?”. What’s wrong with that?

By: Christopher Lee

Christopher Lee — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:04:46 +0000

Hey Eric,

Can they actually do that? How can one company prevent another’s web site from linking to a public web page?

I’m sure some idiot attorney would take on the case for Orbitz, but legally would they even have a leg to stand on?

Isn’t that the open nature of the web? Or am I missing the point completely?

Thanks for this good info. I will let my readers (almost all in the travel industry) know to avoid Orbitz.com like the plague.

Sincerely,

Christopher Lee
http://www.jumpseatnews.com
http://www.rikter.com

By: Shahid

Shahid — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 19:03:13 +0000

YOu know, Boing Boing has their own special linking policy as well.

By: Joachim

Joachim — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 18:40:45 +0000

Maybe they've done it to counteract some angry reactions from dissatisfied customers?

By: Roy Schestowitz

Roy Schestowitz — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 17:21:17 +0000

About a month ago I heard that Sainsbury’s require you to apply in order to get a permission to link.

http://sainsburys.co.uk/link_your_page/

The only worry I can imagine them having is a link bound to unflattering title, which then associates them with nasty words in search engines. Try for example, ‘f*ckwit’ in Google and the first result will be John Prescott, the British Deputy Prime Minister.

By: Lachlan Hunt

Lachlan Hunt — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:34:46 +0000

I thought no-one used such linking policies any more!