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	<title>Comments on: Opera and S5 1.1</title>
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		<title>By: Damon Anderson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-35446</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jun 2006 10:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I truly appreciate your continued Opera Support. The thing that confused me forever was the need to put the browser into &quot;Slide Show&quot; mode in order for S5 to display correctly in Opera. You might make that point VERY clear on the next release. 

I&#039;m now embedding S5 in an IFrame and it works great!

Thanks again, and never give up that Opera Support!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I truly appreciate your continued Opera Support. The thing that confused me forever was the need to put the browser into &#8220;Slide Show&#8221; mode in order for S5 to display correctly in Opera. You might make that point VERY clear on the next release. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m now embedding S5 in an IFrame and it works great!</p>
<p>Thanks again, and never give up that Opera Support!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: S5easy</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-8240</link>
		<dc:creator>S5easy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the idea to create an online form to create S5 Slideshows very easily. If I have enough time, I will finish this project ;-) Take a look &lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.s5easy.com&quot; title=&quot;Create and Save S5 Slideshows Online&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;s5easy.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the idea to create an online form to create S5 Slideshows very easily. If I have enough time, I will finish this project ;-) Take a look <b><a href="http://www.s5easy.com" title="Create and Save S5 Slideshows Online" rel="nofollow">s5easy.com</a></b></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-7760</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Matthias.  #1 has been in S5 since version 1.0, actually, except it uses fragment identifiers instead of URL parameters.  The default behavior used to be #2, but I changed it at some point.  Having a toggle to control the behavior is interesting; I&#039;ll have to give it some thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Matthias.  #1 has been in S5 since version 1.0, actually, except it uses fragment identifiers instead of URL parameters.  The default behavior used to be #2, but I changed it at some point.  Having a toggle to control the behavior is interesting; I&#8217;ll have to give it some thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthias Ebert</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-7755</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthias Ebert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings from Germany!

I used this afternoon to code a little bit around in the slides.js.

I&#039;ve got two ideas:  
1) allow direkt links from outside 
and 
2) show presentations in a loop. 

As an output I post my sourcecode-snippets into your feedback-system. I hope, you dont mind, that I copy it here. They are tested on version S5.1 with Firefox 1.04 under Linux. 

1) ALLOW DIRECT LINKS FROM OUTSIDE
----------------------------------
To allow a direct link from outside to a specific slide,
I recommend to use the usual parameters behind the URL-name,
i.e. s5-demo.html?3
This example presents slide3 in the browser.

HOWTO:
You can simply add the following javascript function to slide.js:
&lt;code&gt;
function getParameter()
{
    var url   = window.location.href;
    parameter = url.split(&quot;?&quot;);
    return parameter[1];
}
&lt;/code&gt;
This function has to be called in the last row of startup()
&lt;code&gt;
function startup()
{
	...
	goTo(getParameter());
}
&lt;/code&gt;

2) SLIDE-LOOPS controlled by the variable &quot;loop&quot;
----------------------------------------------
Endless slide-loops are importent i.e. on fares, 
where a endless presentation is going on while the crowd walks by

HOWTO:
Two new global variables are needed:
&lt;code&gt;
var loop = true;
var loop_timeout =10000; // im miliseconds 
&lt;/code&gt;
Then add the following javascript function to slide.js:
&lt;code&gt;
function nextSlide()
{
	 var target = snum + 1;
	 if (target &gt;= smax) target = 0;
	 var url = window.location.href;
    	 parameter = url.split(&quot;?&quot;);
    	 document.location.href = parameter[0] + &quot;?&quot; + target;
}
&lt;/code&gt;
This function has to be called in:
- the startup(), to be used by slide0 
- the last row of go(), to be used by all other slides
&lt;code&gt;
function startup()
{
	...
	if (loop) setTimeout(&#039;nextSlide()&#039;, loop_timeout); 
	goTo(getParameter());
}
  
function go()
{
	...
	if (loop) setTimeout(&#039;nextSlide()&#039;, loop_timeout); 
}
&lt;/code&gt;
TODO
----
- The variables should be controlled by the user! 
- The user-interaction-menu didn&#039;t work when loop=true.
- The loop didn&#039;t show the sub-steps  

If you like it, please let me know
Thanks 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from Germany!</p>
<p>I used this afternoon to code a little bit around in the slides.js.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got two ideas:<br />
1) allow direkt links from outside<br />
and<br />
2) show presentations in a loop. </p>
<p>As an output I post my sourcecode-snippets into your feedback-system. I hope, you dont mind, that I copy it here. They are tested on version S5.1 with Firefox 1.04 under Linux. </p>
<p>1) ALLOW DIRECT LINKS FROM OUTSIDE<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
To allow a direct link from outside to a specific slide,<br />
I recommend to use the usual parameters behind the URL-name,<br />
i.e. s5-demo.html?3<br />
This example presents slide3 in the browser.</p>
<p>HOWTO:<br />
You can simply add the following javascript function to slide.js:<br />
<code><br />
function getParameter()<br />
{<br />
    var url   = window.location.href;<br />
    parameter = url.split("?");<br />
    return parameter[1];<br />
}<br />
</code><br />
This function has to be called in the last row of startup()<br />
<code><br />
function startup()<br />
{<br />
	...<br />
	goTo(getParameter());<br />
}<br />
</code></p>
<p>2) SLIDE-LOOPS controlled by the variable &#8220;loop&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Endless slide-loops are importent i.e. on fares,<br />
where a endless presentation is going on while the crowd walks by</p>
<p>HOWTO:<br />
Two new global variables are needed:<br />
<code><br />
var loop = true;<br />
var loop_timeout =10000; // im miliseconds<br />
</code><br />
Then add the following javascript function to slide.js:<br />
<code><br />
function nextSlide()<br />
{<br />
	 var target = snum + 1;<br />
	 if (target &gt;= smax) target = 0;<br />
	 var url = window.location.href;<br />
    	 parameter = url.split("?");<br />
    	 document.location.href = parameter[0] + "?" + target;<br />
}<br />
</code><br />
This function has to be called in:<br />
- the startup(), to be used by slide0<br />
- the last row of go(), to be used by all other slides<br />
<code><br />
function startup()<br />
{<br />
	...<br />
	if (loop) setTimeout('nextSlide()', loop_timeout);<br />
	goTo(getParameter());<br />
}</p>
<p>function go()<br />
{<br />
	...<br />
	if (loop) setTimeout('nextSlide()', loop_timeout);<br />
}<br />
</code><br />
TODO<br />
&#8212;-<br />
- The variables should be controlled by the user!<br />
- The user-interaction-menu didn&#8217;t work when loop=true.<br />
- The loop didn&#8217;t show the sub-steps  </p>
<p>If you like it, please let me know<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Simcox</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-7513</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Simcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2005 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, Eric, many congratulations on an excellent piece of work in developing S5.  

I am a Civil Servant working on developing Intranet solutions for a Governmental Department in the United Kingdom.  Having just sat through a talk on accessibility from one of our Information Architect guys and listened to the usual &quot;MS Power Point is bad, avoid like the plague&quot; mantra it suddenly dawned on me that dropping Power Point (wherever possible) and adopting S5 within the department could be a real winner.  Not only is it standards based (see my blog for my continued struggles and frustrations in this area) it is of course fully accessible as well, whereas MS Power Point is dubious (not to mention bloated) to say the least in this respect.  

Utilising our Content Management System (Stellent, for anyone who is interested) we would also be able to create CSS that would allow us to control branding applied to S5 presentations, meaning more consistency and in the end, more professional looking and convincing presentations than the garish, gimmicky and bloated presentations currently being created by our diverse bunch of publishers at present, using MS Power Point.

The downside is because all publishing to our Intranet has to go through the Content Management System (which basically means all documents have to be styled up MS Word docs) there will be more work than usual in adopting this system (wrapping the Div tags and appropriate classes around the content), but I&#039;m positive about the eventual outcome.

Just wondered if anyone has any similar experience or advice in adopting S5 in this manner.

Keep up the good work Eric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, Eric, many congratulations on an excellent piece of work in developing S5.  </p>
<p>I am a Civil Servant working on developing Intranet solutions for a Governmental Department in the United Kingdom.  Having just sat through a talk on accessibility from one of our Information Architect guys and listened to the usual &#8220;MS Power Point is bad, avoid like the plague&#8221; mantra it suddenly dawned on me that dropping Power Point (wherever possible) and adopting S5 within the department could be a real winner.  Not only is it standards based (see my blog for my continued struggles and frustrations in this area) it is of course fully accessible as well, whereas MS Power Point is dubious (not to mention bloated) to say the least in this respect.  </p>
<p>Utilising our Content Management System (Stellent, for anyone who is interested) we would also be able to create CSS that would allow us to control branding applied to S5 presentations, meaning more consistency and in the end, more professional looking and convincing presentations than the garish, gimmicky and bloated presentations currently being created by our diverse bunch of publishers at present, using MS Power Point.</p>
<p>The downside is because all publishing to our Intranet has to go through the Content Management System (which basically means all documents have to be styled up MS Word docs) there will be more work than usual in adopting this system (wrapping the Div tags and appropriate classes around the content), but I&#8217;m positive about the eventual outcome.</p>
<p>Just wondered if anyone has any similar experience or advice in adopting S5 in this manner.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work Eric.</p>
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		<title>By: Hallvord R. M. Steen</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6093</link>
		<dc:creator>Hallvord R. M. Steen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really sorry that some of the people commenting on my blog post went over the top and called you a liar. I would not have posted if I could have foreseen such comments.

I respect the work you&#039;ve put into S5 and if I can find the time, I will contribute some Opera-friendly fixes (perhaps with a little help from my friends..). Thanks for the challenge :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really sorry that some of the people commenting on my blog post went over the top and called you a liar. I would not have posted if I could have foreseen such comments.</p>
<p>I respect the work you&#8217;ve put into S5 and if I can find the time, I will contribute some Opera-friendly fixes (perhaps with a little help from my friends..). Thanks for the challenge :)</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6089</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Konqueror support: I just found this and tried it (very fortunately, as I was just hunting around for something nice to write up a presentation in). There is something a little weird, but I&#039;m not sure where it&#039;s coming from, and unfortunately I don&#039;t have the time (right now, maybe I will soon) and possibly the expertise to figure it out. 

Anyway, when I first opened the demo presentation on Konq, I got mostly unstyled text. I then hit F5 to reload, and lo! style! :) I don&#039;t know why it didn&#039;t work the first time. Maybe konq has something odd about applying styles if they take too long to load (wild speculation). However, when it does display, one thing doesn&#039;t work: you can&#039;t click on the page to make it go to the next. You can press enter, mouse to the bottom-right, whatever. Just not click. 

I just played a little more: if I reload, it goes back to the unstyled (printable?) text, with the toggle link at the top-right, however I can&#039;t click it for it disappears as soon as the mouse gets there. If I select the URI in the address bar and press return to force a load from the cache, it comes up in presentation form happily. 

The toggle thing doesn&#039;t disappear if I get to the unstyled format by clicking on the link in the slideshow itself, then it toggles just as you would expect.

Just some hopefully useful information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Konqueror support: I just found this and tried it (very fortunately, as I was just hunting around for something nice to write up a presentation in). There is something a little weird, but I&#8217;m not sure where it&#8217;s coming from, and unfortunately I don&#8217;t have the time (right now, maybe I will soon) and possibly the expertise to figure it out. </p>
<p>Anyway, when I first opened the demo presentation on Konq, I got mostly unstyled text. I then hit F5 to reload, and lo! style! :) I don&#8217;t know why it didn&#8217;t work the first time. Maybe konq has something odd about applying styles if they take too long to load (wild speculation). However, when it does display, one thing doesn&#8217;t work: you can&#8217;t click on the page to make it go to the next. You can press enter, mouse to the bottom-right, whatever. Just not click. </p>
<p>I just played a little more: if I reload, it goes back to the unstyled (printable?) text, with the toggle link at the top-right, however I can&#8217;t click it for it disappears as soon as the mouse gets there. If I select the URI in the address bar and press return to force a load from the cache, it comes up in presentation form happily. </p>
<p>The toggle thing doesn&#8217;t disappear if I get to the unstyled format by clicking on the link in the slideshow itself, then it toggles just as you would expect.</p>
<p>Just some hopefully useful information.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6083</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Jeff, I appreciate that.

Followup for Boris and anyone else interested: &lt;a href=&quot;https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303313&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bugzilla #303313&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Jeff, I appreciate that.</p>
<p>Followup for Boris and anyone else interested: <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303313" rel="nofollow">Bugzilla #303313</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6076</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 12:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, 
I personally think S5 is just a slamming piece of software! I just wish I knew about programming and such so I could possibly someday contribute. I&#039;ve been using it for some of my presentations at work for at least a year I think. I like it. I appreciate all the work, passion, and time that went into it. So at least from my end, for whatever it means toyou, thank you very much for all your hard work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric,<br />
I personally think S5 is just a slamming piece of software! I just wish I knew about programming and such so I could possibly someday contribute. I&#8217;ve been using it for some of my presentations at work for at least a year I think. I like it. I appreciate all the work, passion, and time that went into it. So at least from my end, for whatever it means toyou, thank you very much for all your hard work.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6071</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris: I don&#039;t know, actually.  I&#039;ll have to dig around and get back to you.

Lars: I don&#039;t have Konqueror to test, so I don&#039;t know why it fails by default but works if identified as Safari.  As with Opera, I&#039;m willing to accept contributions that make S5 work in Konqueror as long as they don&#039;t degrade other browsers and are relatively easy to maintain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris: I don&#8217;t know, actually.  I&#8217;ll have to dig around and get back to you.</p>
<p>Lars: I don&#8217;t have Konqueror to test, so I don&#8217;t know why it fails by default but works if identified as Safari.  As with Opera, I&#8217;m willing to accept contributions that make S5 work in Konqueror as long as they don&#8217;t degrade other browsers and are relatively easy to maintain.</p>
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		<title>By: Lars Thomsen</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6069</link>
		<dc:creator>Lars Thomsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised that you do not support Konqueror using that browsers default settings, since S5 actually works almost perfect if I change the browser identification to Safari.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that you do not support Konqueror using that browsers default settings, since S5 actually works almost perfect if I change the browser identification to Safari.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris Zbarsky</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6068</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris Zbarsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, is that Gecko bug with dynamic media type switching filed?  If so, could you point me to the right bug number (send me email or cc me on the bug)?  If not, would you mind filing it so we can fix it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, is that Gecko bug with dynamic media type switching filed?  If so, could you point me to the right bug number (send me email or cc me on the bug)?  If not, would you mind filing it so we can fix it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kelson</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6042</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.  Didn&#039;t mean to fan any flames here, just to comment on what seemed to be present already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.  Didn&#8217;t mean to fan any flames here, just to comment on what seemed to be present already.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6030</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, I appreciate the words of support, but this really isn&#039;t a &quot;beat up on Opera fans&quot; post.  It&#039;s an explanation of history and an invitation to participate.  Yes, I admit, I pushed back a bit, but let&#039;s not take it overboard, or else we&#039;ll just end up fighting yet another browser holy war instead of working to enhance S5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, I appreciate the words of support, but this really isn&#8217;t a &#8220;beat up on Opera fans&#8221; post.  It&#8217;s an explanation of history and an invitation to participate.  Yes, I admit, I pushed back a bit, but let&#8217;s not take it overboard, or else we&#8217;ll just end up fighting yet another browser holy war instead of working to enhance S5.</p>
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		<title>By: Tantek</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/07/29/opera-and-s5-11/#comment-6029</link>
		<dc:creator>Tantek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the appropriate response would be to switch to publishing the &lt;a href=&quot;http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;XOXO&lt;/a&gt; version of S5 as the primary version, with the justification that the markup is more semantic, and that the Opera Show Format (OSF) (and support in Opera) needs to be updated to allow for the more semantic ordered list of slide list items, rather than being limited to semantic-free div of divs.  After all, what does OSF have against semantic markup? ;)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the appropriate response would be to switch to publishing the <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/xoxo" rel="nofollow">XOXO</a> version of S5 as the primary version, with the justification that the markup is more semantic, and that the Opera Show Format (OSF) (and support in Opera) needs to be updated to allow for the more semantic ordered list of slide list items, rather than being limited to semantic-free div of divs.  After all, what does OSF have against semantic markup? ;)</p>
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