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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-431053</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that in IE6 -- but I use the basic pngbehavior.htc trick to force IE6 to render pngs properly. Which works just fine on Windows xp with IE6.

The same graphic in IE7 (Vista) renders first with a black fringe before the htc behavior kicks in and fixes everything. While it does fix things, it&#039;s ugly as sin when you are using something like jquery to fade things in and out (jquery&#039;s fadeIn, fadeOut effects)

It seems to happen even if I make the png graphic in Fireworks, although that may also be a factor of the &quot;improvements&quot; to both Photoshop and Fireworks from our friends at Adobe in CS4. I just recently installed the Master Collection CS4 on my (ew) Vista desktop and have started using it there.

Fireworks has always let you set the background or matte of a 32bit png export but adjusting that doesn&#039;t seem to (now) have any effect.

I&#039;m eager to find this answer, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that in IE6 &#8212; but I use the basic pngbehavior.htc trick to force IE6 to render pngs properly. Which works just fine on Windows xp with IE6.</p>
<p>The same graphic in IE7 (Vista) renders first with a black fringe before the htc behavior kicks in and fixes everything. While it does fix things, it&#8217;s ugly as sin when you are using something like jquery to fade things in and out (jquery&#8217;s fadeIn, fadeOut effects)</p>
<p>It seems to happen even if I make the png graphic in Fireworks, although that may also be a factor of the &#8220;improvements&#8221; to both Photoshop and Fireworks from our friends at Adobe in CS4. I just recently installed the Master Collection CS4 on my (ew) Vista desktop and have started using it there.</p>
<p>Fireworks has always let you set the background or matte of a 32bit png export but adjusting that doesn&#8217;t seem to (now) have any effect.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m eager to find this answer, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-44431</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are also two photshop plugins I know of that let you set the bkgd color value:

pngout - http://www.ardfry.com/png-plugin/index.html
web image guru - http://www.vimas.com/ve_guru.htm

Sadly, both cost $</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are also two photshop plugins I know of that let you set the bkgd color value:</p>
<p>pngout &#8211; <a href="http://www.ardfry.com/png-plugin/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ardfry.com/png-plugin/index.html</a><br />
web image guru &#8211; <a href="http://www.vimas.com/ve_guru.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.vimas.com/ve_guru.htm</a></p>
<p>Sadly, both cost $</p>
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		<title>By: shorty114</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6595</link>
		<dc:creator>shorty114</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 02:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you didn&#039;t like GIMP&#039;s interface, you might want to try gimpShop. GIMP, but with PhotoShop menu setup and such.

http://plasticbugs.com/?p=241

If you mean the looks of the X11, then if you have a Mac, Apple&#039;s X11 isn&#039;t too bad looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you didn&#8217;t like GIMP&#8217;s interface, you might want to try gimpShop. GIMP, but with PhotoShop menu setup and such.</p>
<p><a href="http://plasticbugs.com/?p=241" rel="nofollow">http://plasticbugs.com/?p=241</a></p>
<p>If you mean the looks of the X11, then if you have a Mac, Apple&#8217;s X11 isn&#8217;t too bad looking.</p>
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		<title>By: Nan Liu</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6475</link>
		<dc:creator>Nan Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GIMP with Photoshop UI: http://freshmeat.net/projects/gimpshop/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GIMP with Photoshop UI: <a href="http://freshmeat.net/projects/gimpshop/" rel="nofollow">http://freshmeat.net/projects/gimpshop/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Mason</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6435</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could just use the IE specific alpha channel filter for PNG&#039;s in your CSS, but filter it out for other clients so the CSS is still standard. It&#039;s a server side hack but it&#039;ll work in everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could just use the IE specific alpha channel filter for PNG&#8217;s in your CSS, but filter it out for other clients so the CSS is still standard. It&#8217;s a server side hack but it&#8217;ll work in everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurens Holst</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6424</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurens Holst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric: I think what you want to do is for that image, to set bKGD to black (using TweakPNG).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric: I think what you want to do is for that image, to set bKGD to black (using TweakPNG).</p>
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		<title>By: Laurens Holst</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6423</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurens Holst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, tweakpng and bKGD is really nice! Now the logo on my website blends in better with the background in IE :).

So far, I&quot;ve been using 8-bit paletted PNGs with one fully transparent colour (like GIF, but then a smaller and better format) (in Fireworks: export to 8-bit PNG with exact colours and alpha), which works nicely as well.


~Grauw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, tweakpng and bKGD is really nice! Now the logo on my website blends in better with the background in IE :).</p>
<p>So far, I&#8221;ve been using 8-bit paletted PNGs with one fully transparent colour (like GIF, but then a smaller and better format) (in Fireworks: export to 8-bit PNG with exact colours and alpha), which works nicely as well.</p>
<p>~Grauw</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chang</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6416</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Chang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is currently impossible with GIMP, because it doesn&#039;t save the correect chunk.  What you need is a &quot;tRNS&quot; chunk to be saved set to the colour of your bullet -- GIMP doesn&#039;t do this at the moment.  Reference: thread &quot;PNG binary transparency&quot;; gimp-user, thread, aproximately dated September 12-13, 2005.

A suggested workaround is to use ImageMagicK to set the tRNS chunk, after making the bullet in GIMP.  However, you shouldn&#039;t even be taking advantage of this bug in MSIE&#039;s implementation of the PNG format -- just use regular transparency (which is possible in GIMP).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is currently impossible with GIMP, because it doesn&#8217;t save the correect chunk.  What you need is a &quot;tRNS&quot; chunk to be saved set to the colour of your bullet &#8212; GIMP doesn&#8217;t do this at the moment.  Reference: thread &quot;PNG binary transparency&quot;; gimp-user, thread, aproximately dated September 12-13, 2005.</p>
<p>A suggested workaround is to use ImageMagicK to set the tRNS chunk, after making the bullet in GIMP.  However, you shouldn&#8217;t even be taking advantage of this bug in MSIE&#8217;s implementation of the PNG format &#8212; just use regular transparency (which is possible in GIMP).</p>
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		<title>By: Dub Dublin</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6401</link>
		<dc:creator>Dub Dublin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric:

I haven&#039;t tried these Photoshop directions (http://www.axialis.com/tutorials/tutorial-misc001.html), but I have used the analogous Corel/JASC PaintShopPro instructions, and they work great for creating alpha-blended images.  As you&#039;ve discovered, this can be quite tricky, especially since almost every application I&#039;ve tried has significant quirks in the way it handles alpha transparency, including frequent inconsistencies even within a single program.  Generally, alpha support is only partial, regardless of what you might otherwise think.

Give it a try and let me know how it works...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric:</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried these Photoshop directions (<a href="http://www.axialis.com/tutorials/tutorial-misc001.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.axialis.com/tutorials/tutorial-misc001.html</a>), but I have used the analogous Corel/JASC PaintShopPro instructions, and they work great for creating alpha-blended images.  As you&#8217;ve discovered, this can be quite tricky, especially since almost every application I&#8217;ve tried has significant quirks in the way it handles alpha transparency, including frequent inconsistencies even within a single program.  Generally, alpha support is only partial, regardless of what you might otherwise think.</p>
<p>Give it a try and let me know how it works&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Dunlop</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6396</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Dunlop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was searching the web looking for a solution to my alpha issue. Noticed that you have a problem. I apologize if this does not help, didn&#039;t have time to read everything fully. However...

I think it&#039;s best to split your problem into two parts - what PS is doing PNG wise and viewing it on the web. I recently solved the PS png/alpha problem.

Do a Save As Web. Select PNG over on the right, pick a reasonable number of colors. On the bottom right select the palette entries (one at a time) that you want to be transparent and using the little -&gt; right arrow menu pop up - toggle it&#039;s status between transparent or not.

This will give you explicit control over what palette index is transparent or opaque.

This will at the very least give you a correct PNG with transparency. The web, that&#039;s another problem...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was searching the web looking for a solution to my alpha issue. Noticed that you have a problem. I apologize if this does not help, didn&#8217;t have time to read everything fully. However&#8230;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s best to split your problem into two parts &#8211; what PS is doing PNG wise and viewing it on the web. I recently solved the PS png/alpha problem.</p>
<p>Do a Save As Web. Select PNG over on the right, pick a reasonable number of colors. On the bottom right select the palette entries (one at a time) that you want to be transparent and using the little -&gt; right arrow menu pop up &#8211; toggle it&#8217;s status between transparent or not.</p>
<p>This will give you explicit control over what palette index is transparent or opaque.</p>
<p>This will at the very least give you a correct PNG with transparency. The web, that&#8217;s another problem&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Goldman</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6358</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Goldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 17:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve run into the same problem on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jeffcoffin.com&quot; title=&quot;Jeff Coffin Music Site&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this project that relied on alpha PNGs&lt;/a&gt;. The end result is that IE will correctly (correctly as it can : ) and fully drop out any pixel that has an alpha as if it were a transparent GIF, while Firefox and others that support alpha pngs will display the alpha. 

&lt;strong&gt;The solution could not be created in Photoshop. As far as I know, this is a known limitation of Photoshop PNGs. I had to create the PNG files in Fireworks.&lt;/strong&gt;

Note that getting the vertical background tiles to be seamless is much harder when working with so many variables. Variables include: (a) seamless alpha tile (b) seamless IE tile and (c) seamless color tile. 

As part of this process I&#039;ve realized Fireworks produced slightly smaller images that look better than Photoshop&quot;s (Image Ready&quot;s) &quot;save as web&quot;. I tend to use Fireworks more often now for slicing images.

Giving credit where due : ) &lt;a href=&quot;http://phoenity.com/newtedge/png_degradability/&quot; title=&quot;32-bit PNG degradability in IE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article helped get me on the right track&lt;/a&gt;. 

If you really want check out &lt;a href=&quot;”&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; the details on this project&quot;s random switching of the background images on each page and the Mambo CMS integration&lt;/a&gt; written by Graham Spice, the developer responsible for the project.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve run into the same problem on <a href="http://www.jeffcoffin.com" title="Jeff Coffin Music Site" rel="nofollow">this project that relied on alpha PNGs</a>. The end result is that IE will correctly (correctly as it can : ) and fully drop out any pixel that has an alpha as if it were a transparent GIF, while Firefox and others that support alpha pngs will display the alpha. </p>
<p><strong>The solution could not be created in Photoshop. As far as I know, this is a known limitation of Photoshop PNGs. I had to create the PNG files in Fireworks.</strong></p>
<p>Note that getting the vertical background tiles to be seamless is much harder when working with so many variables. Variables include: (a) seamless alpha tile (b) seamless IE tile and (c) seamless color tile. </p>
<p>As part of this process I&#8217;ve realized Fireworks produced slightly smaller images that look better than Photoshop&#8221;s (Image Ready&#8221;s) &#8220;save as web&#8221;. I tend to use Fireworks more often now for slicing images.</p>
<p>Giving credit where due : ) <a href="http://phoenity.com/newtedge/png_degradability/" title="32-bit PNG degradability in IE" rel="nofollow">this article helped get me on the right track</a>. </p>
<p>If you really want check out <a href="”" rel="nofollow"> the details on this project&#8221;s random switching of the background images on each page and the Mambo CMS integration</a> written by Graham Spice, the developer responsible for the project.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Dougherty</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6328</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Dougherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you ignoring IE&#039;s filter on general principle?

We&#039;re using PNG files for the verses on our cards, which can be imprinted in various colors - that way we don&#039;t have to create/maintain a separate file for every color a verse may be printed in.  The IE filter has it&#039;s own problems, but at least you get the desired effect.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you ignoring IE&#8217;s filter on general principle?</p>
<p>We&#8217;re using PNG files for the verses on our cards, which can be imprinted in various colors &#8211; that way we don&#8217;t have to create/maintain a separate file for every color a verse may be printed in.  The IE filter has it&#8217;s own problems, but at least you get the desired effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Peters</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6325</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Eric, I think I&#039;ve figured out a solution to your problem.  After reading some of the comments and seeing the problem was that Photoshop doesn&#039;t set the bkgd chunk up, I downloaded TweakPNG (http://entropymine.com/jason/tweakpng/) and used it to set the bkgd chunk up on a png I created in photoshop.  The effect is a black diamond in IE, and transparency in other browsers.  Here&#039;s the file http://josh-peters.name/diamond.png</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eric, I think I&#8217;ve figured out a solution to your problem.  After reading some of the comments and seeing the problem was that Photoshop doesn&#8217;t set the bkgd chunk up, I downloaded TweakPNG (<a href="http://entropymine.com/jason/tweakpng/" rel="nofollow">http://entropymine.com/jason/tweakpng/</a>) and used it to set the bkgd chunk up on a png I created in photoshop.  The effect is a black diamond in IE, and transparency in other browsers.  Here&#8217;s the file <a href="http://josh-peters.name/diamond.png" rel="nofollow">http://josh-peters.name/diamond.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: E, Lass</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6324</link>
		<dc:creator>E, Lass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, your PNG comes up gray in IE6 SP2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, your PNG comes up gray in IE6 SP2.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Rickards</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/09/01/clearly-impossible/#comment-6322</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Rickards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 15:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The tweakpng and bKGD thing has been on this page for a while.
http://phoenity.com/newtedge/png_degradability/
(Not my page just was in my bookmarks)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tweakpng and bKGD thing has been on this page for a while.<br />
<a href="http://phoenity.com/newtedge/png_degradability/" rel="nofollow">http://phoenity.com/newtedge/png_degradability/</a><br />
(Not my page just was in my bookmarks)</p>
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