Comments on: IE7 and IE7 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/ Things that Eric A. Meyer, CSS expert, writes about on his personal Web site; it's largely Web standards and Web technology, but also various bits of culture, politics, personal observations, and other miscellaneous stuff Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:28:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: vinod http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-499101 vinod Fri, 14 May 2010 13:32:00 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-499101 Hi Eric, As this was recommended by you, I had to try it & I did. But the results we re not what I had expected. Although, this script has a support for everything every little shortcoming of IE 6, it lacks in some aspects. Aspects like unnecessary spacing, margin, padding & really weird problems that wouldn't appear if the script ain't used. Is it just me or someone else has also run into such problems? Regards, vinod I don't Hate IE6, it's just old now. Give it a rest Hi Eric,

As this was recommended by you, I had to try it & I did.

But the results we re not what I had expected. Although, this script has a support for everything every little shortcoming of IE 6, it lacks in some aspects.

Aspects like unnecessary spacing, margin, padding & really weird problems that wouldn’t appear if the script ain’t used.

Is it just me or someone else has also run into such problems?

Regards,
vinod
I don’t Hate IE6, it’s just old now.
Give it a rest

]]> By: Charlie http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-482962 Charlie Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:55:05 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-482962 Ok after a lot of searching and sifting through conflicting information I found this: "ie8.js adds support for last-child in IE7 and IE6. No known solution for ie8." http://www.webmasterworld.com/css/3939889.htm So it seems you, Eric, have improved IE6 and IE7 beyond IE8. Is it not possible to improve IE8 to this standard as well? Many of the improvements from IE8.js seem unusable if IE8 doesn't support them. Strange situation: all browsers support except IE8!? Ok after a lot of searching and sifting through conflicting information I found this:

“ie8.js adds support for last-child in IE7 and IE6.
No known solution for ie8.” http://www.webmasterworld.com/css/3939889.htm

So it seems you, Eric, have improved IE6 and IE7 beyond IE8. Is it not possible to improve IE8 to this standard as well?

Many of the improvements from IE8.js seem unusable if IE8 doesn’t support them. Strange situation: all browsers support except IE8!?

]]> By: Charlie http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-482955 Charlie Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:54:21 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-482955 I'm confused about IE8.js. I've implemented it and it's working fine in IE6 and IE7. However it seems to be making these two browsers perform better than IE8. Is this possible? Specifically the nth-child selector which doesn't seem to be supported by IE8 (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024%28VS.85%29.aspx) is working fine in the two previous versions with IE8.js support?!? How can that be? I thought IE8.js makes previous versions perform like IE8. I’m confused about IE8.js. I’ve implemented it and it’s working fine in IE6 and IE7. However it seems to be making these two browsers perform better than IE8. Is this possible?

Specifically the nth-child selector which doesn’t seem to be supported by IE8 (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc351024%28VS.85%29.aspx) is working fine in the two previous versions with IE8.js support?!?

How can that be? I thought IE8.js makes previous versions perform like IE8.

]]> By: IE7.js a universal solution to IE6 craptastic-ness? | ChrisRenner.com http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-471028 IE7.js a universal solution to IE6 craptastic-ness? | ChrisRenner.com Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:43:20 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-471028 [...] library, which causes IE to behave like a standards-compliant browser. Eric Meyer has some great thoughts about IE7.js as well. | | | | | [...] [...] library, which causes IE to behave like a standards-compliant browser. Eric Meyer has some great thoughts about IE7.js as well. | | | | | [...]

]]> By: BlogLESS : The IE7 Library http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-470217 BlogLESS : The IE7 Library Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:00:12 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-470217 [...] apparently been updated fairly recently. If it works, to quote Eric Meyer: In the main, it will be a lot less painful to clear out the hacks with IE7 (the script) available [...] [...] apparently been updated fairly recently. If it works, to quote Eric Meyer: In the main, it will be a lot less painful to clear out the hacks with IE7 (the script) available [...]

]]> By: Let Internet Explorer 6 Behave Like Internet Explorer 7 | SulVision http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-432614 Let Internet Explorer 6 Behave Like Internet Explorer 7 | SulVision Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:01:26 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-432614 [...] Eric Meyer’s thoughts [...] [...] Eric Meyer’s thoughts [...]

]]> By: Let Internet Explorer 6 Behave Like Internet Explorer 7 » DivitoDesign http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-424930 Let Internet Explorer 6 Behave Like Internet Explorer 7 » DivitoDesign Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:06:46 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-424930 [...] Eric Meyer’s thoughts [...] [...] Eric Meyer’s thoughts [...]

]]> By: Marianne Stone http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-339643 Marianne Stone Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:54:12 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-339643 I cannot thank you enough for this script!!!! I'm sort of a beginner at web design - still have so very much to learn - and having to recode everything for IE was just so frustrating. I've got a bunch of different things on some of my pages for this site - FusionCharts, a javascript nav bar, and transparent pngs. I tried a few of the recommended .png fixes, but they either didn't work for me or they caused more problems than they solved. This *fixes* the problem!!!! and it doesn't mess up my other JS-driven business. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! (now I can move on to the other stuff...) I cannot thank you enough for this script!!!!
I’m sort of a beginner at web design – still have so very much to learn – and having to recode everything for IE was just so frustrating.
I’ve got a bunch of different things on some of my pages for this site – FusionCharts, a javascript nav bar, and transparent pngs. I tried a few of the recommended .png fixes, but they either didn’t work for me or they caused more problems than they solved. This *fixes* the problem!!!! and it doesn’t mess up my other JS-driven business. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! (now I can move on to the other stuff…)

]]> By: PNG Transparenz im IE 5 & IE 6 | bueltge.de [by:ltge.de] http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-297815 PNG Transparenz im IE 5 & IE 6 | bueltge.de [by:ltge.de] Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:10:32 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-297815 [...] der IE standardkonform! Was und wie alles unterstützt wird, dazu eine Demoseite mit Hinweisen. Eric Mayer hat schon früher ausführlich berichtet, aktuell steht nun Version 2Beta bereit. Diese [...] [...] der IE standardkonform! Was und wie alles unterstützt wird, dazu eine Demoseite mit Hinweisen. Eric Mayer hat schon früher ausführlich berichtet, aktuell steht nun Version 2Beta bereit. Diese [...]

]]> By: Tim Pettersen http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-70754 Tim Pettersen Thu, 16 Nov 2006 01:24:35 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-70754 <blockquote cite="Mani Sheriar">Now, if IE7 decides to start following the !important declaration but fails to resolve all the problems that call for me to use it then I"m in big trouble! ;o)</blockquote> Looks like they are (I'm running IE 7.0.5730.11), another workaround (untested, found on another site) is to use IE7's "conditional comments". For example: <code> </code> '[if lt IE 7]' apparently continues for IE versions

Now, if IE7 decides to start following the !important declaration but fails to resolve all the problems that call for me to use it then I”m in big trouble! ;o)

Looks like they are (I’m running IE 7.0.5730.11), another workaround (untested, found on another site) is to use IE7′s “conditional comments”. For example:

‘[if lt IE 7]‘ apparently continues for IE versions

]]> By: Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » Blog Archive » Some links for light reading (20/10/05) http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-11640 Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » Blog Archive » Some links for light reading (20/10/05) Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:15:25 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-11640 [...] John Allsopp has been busy doing Podcast remixes of WE05 Internet Explorer and hacks Response to IE and hacks 1 Response to IE and hacks 2 Response to IE and hacks 3 Res [...] [...] John Allsopp has been busy doing Podcast remixes of WE05 Internet Explorer and hacks Response to IE and hacks 1 Response to IE and hacks 2 Response to IE and hacks 3 Res [...]

]]> By: Tableless » Blog Archive » Podcast Tableless #12 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-10096 Tableless » Blog Archive » Podcast Tableless #12 Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:55:35 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-10096 [...] s CSS Hacks de suas páginas por causa do IE7, porque tem uma possibilidade nada remota de o site não funcionar nele. O grande Eric Meyer deu sua opinião sobre o assunto; Sempr [...] [...] s CSS Hacks de suas páginas por causa do IE7, porque tem uma possibilidade nada remota de o site não funcionar nele. O grande Eric Meyer deu sua opinião sobre o assunto; Sempr [...]

]]> By: Cameron Skene http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-8758 Cameron Skene Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:13:34 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-8758 Once scenario might see ie7 breaking all the sites that use hacks. Users won't think "oh there using hacks" they will just think ie7 sux because with ie6 their favourite site looked fine. I'm sure this something the ie team have thought about. Once scenario might see ie7 breaking all the sites that use hacks. Users won’t think “oh there using hacks” they will just think ie7 sux because with ie6 their favourite site looked fine. I’m sure this something the ie team have thought about.

]]> By: Bruce http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-7496 Bruce Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:38:28 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-7496 I think IE7 is doing the right thing by eliminating hacks, such as 'tan', and trusting us as developers to step forwards and get sites compliant. After all, we did hack IE in the first place, which we knew someday would change. My question is, why can't we just take our IE 5 and 6 hacks and throw them in a conditional statement that links to an ie56.css stylesheet. It seems like this would be the best way to isolate problems with IE5 and 6 and let us develop hack-free (we hope) in IE7. I think IE7 is doing the right thing by eliminating hacks, such as ‘tan’, and trusting us as developers to step forwards and get sites compliant. After all, we did hack IE in the first place, which we knew someday would change.

My question is, why can’t we just take our IE 5 and 6 hacks and throw them in a conditional statement that links to an ie56.css stylesheet. It seems like this would be the best way to isolate problems with IE5 and 6 and let us develop hack-free (we hope) in IE7.

]]> By: Bryan Veloso http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-7464 Bryan Veloso Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:52:39 +0000 http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2005/10/17/ie7-and-ie7/#comment-7464 Does anybody else know of any sites that have successfully used the IE7 script? I've tried it on multiple sites of mine and at work with no difference. Maybe I'm using it wrong, but I do want to see it out in the open. Does anybody else know of any sites that have successfully used the IE7 script? I’ve tried it on multiple sites of mine and at work with no difference. Maybe I’m using it wrong, but I do want to see it out in the open.

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