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		<title>By: Mohamed</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-420253</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohamed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am originally from India. I voted for Obama. 

I see no problem with thi picture. Seems like teh photogropher was working with limited space for the cover shoot and since Bridget (McCain&#039;s adopted daughter) is short, she was placed in a spot where she would not be hidden. 

Look, I am no fan of John McCain, but give the McCains for doing something good...giving this girl a life that she would never have had in teh orphanage in Bangladesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am originally from India. I voted for Obama. </p>
<p>I see no problem with thi picture. Seems like teh photogropher was working with limited space for the cover shoot and since Bridget (McCain&#8217;s adopted daughter) is short, she was placed in a spot where she would not be hidden. </p>
<p>Look, I am no fan of John McCain, but give the McCains for doing something good&#8230;giving this girl a life that she would never have had in teh orphanage in Bangladesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul B.</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-419456</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This photo is striking for a number of reasons. Here you have a family with a member who&#039;s a person of color and she&#039;s placed in the bottom left corner of the image (almost as an after thought) as opposed to center right/left, etc. Now some of you may not notice this, but whenever a person of color is on tv or in any type of print ad, they&#039;re are almost always placed on the left of the image. 

During the debates where was Barack seated?

In my eyes, this is more than just a coincidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This photo is striking for a number of reasons. Here you have a family with a member who&#8217;s a person of color and she&#8217;s placed in the bottom left corner of the image (almost as an after thought) as opposed to center right/left, etc. Now some of you may not notice this, but whenever a person of color is on tv or in any type of print ad, they&#8217;re are almost always placed on the left of the image. </p>
<p>During the debates where was Barack seated?</p>
<p>In my eyes, this is more than just a coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Clark</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-419423</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed that the first thing people jump to is race. Why does this have to matter to people so much? Let it go people and lets all just play nice.

Maybe, just maybe, the way this photo is arrange has f**k all to do with race. The guys are clearly taller and therefore putting them in front would obscure the rest of the family. It may be nothing to do with subserviance, merely fitting everyone on the damn photo considering the available dimensions and orientation of the magazine cover.

The black lady is front left and apparently at the feet of the rest of the family. Does this imply an archaic image of slavery? Without knowing the details of that shoot it would be all guess work to figure out how how this composition came about. Perhaps she offered to sit, perhaps she arrived late and the shot was rushed. Or perhaps it was on purpose that she appears below the rest of the family. 

All I know is the McCain strategists, editors and all hundreds of well qualified, highly paid people must have studies this picture, as they do every word of his speeches before they&#039;re planned and approved, and saw nothing but an innocent family picture.

Didn&#039;t Sigmund Freud say sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed that the first thing people jump to is race. Why does this have to matter to people so much? Let it go people and lets all just play nice.</p>
<p>Maybe, just maybe, the way this photo is arrange has f**k all to do with race. The guys are clearly taller and therefore putting them in front would obscure the rest of the family. It may be nothing to do with subserviance, merely fitting everyone on the damn photo considering the available dimensions and orientation of the magazine cover.</p>
<p>The black lady is front left and apparently at the feet of the rest of the family. Does this imply an archaic image of slavery? Without knowing the details of that shoot it would be all guess work to figure out how how this composition came about. Perhaps she offered to sit, perhaps she arrived late and the shot was rushed. Or perhaps it was on purpose that she appears below the rest of the family. </p>
<p>All I know is the McCain strategists, editors and all hundreds of well qualified, highly paid people must have studies this picture, as they do every word of his speeches before they&#8217;re planned and approved, and saw nothing but an innocent family picture.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t Sigmund Freud say sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meyer</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-419422</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to read &lt;a href=&quot;http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the followup post&lt;/a&gt;, Beth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to read <a href="http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/18/people-and-places/" rel="nofollow">the followup post</a>, Beth.</p>
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		<title>By: beth</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-419417</link>
		<dc:creator>beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am flabbergasted that anyone would read into their family photo placement.  How about the fact that they have a large family and the McCain&#039;s still accepted another child who needed them into their hearts.  They didn&#039;t have to adopt her but they did because clearly they are lovely people.  I am not an Obama supporter, but I would never question his devotion to his family.  This is a picture of a family focused on acceptance and inclusion.  Maybe it is a stair step of ages??  Please judge him on his political views and not on his family photo.  This is a man of character whether you agree with him or not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am flabbergasted that anyone would read into their family photo placement.  How about the fact that they have a large family and the McCain&#8217;s still accepted another child who needed them into their hearts.  They didn&#8217;t have to adopt her but they did because clearly they are lovely people.  I am not an Obama supporter, but I would never question his devotion to his family.  This is a picture of a family focused on acceptance and inclusion.  Maybe it is a stair step of ages??  Please judge him on his political views and not on his family photo.  This is a man of character whether you agree with him or not!</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Lebovitz</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-417445</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Lebovitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She&#039;s short, but not that short. Her head comes up to McCain&#039;s shoulder.

If they wanted to make her look as though she was really part of the family, they would have put her head closer to the rest of the McCains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s short, but not that short. Her head comes up to McCain&#8217;s shoulder.</p>
<p>If they wanted to make her look as though she was really part of the family, they would have put her head closer to the rest of the McCains.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-416816</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ronald I agree. At first and second glance I didn&#039;t even notice her in the picture. I actually read all the text next to her w/o realizing she was sitting right there! This might be do to the quality of the screenshot but a few observations: 1) Has anyone noticed she blends in with Mrs. McCain&#039;s clothes 2) and that the row of people in the back are all wearing lighter clothes that would have been a better back drop for her. 3) McCain&#039;s daughter is the only one wearing attire close to the lady&#039;s color 4) and his daughter is positioned at an extreme angle compared to the rest (the reason this strikes me a little more odd is that if she were facing to the right, it would seem to flow better and her hair and complexion would break up the dark backdrop for the lady to the left). I hate that I can see how this could have been intentional. I really hope it wasn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ronald I agree. At first and second glance I didn&#8217;t even notice her in the picture. I actually read all the text next to her w/o realizing she was sitting right there! This might be do to the quality of the screenshot but a few observations: 1) Has anyone noticed she blends in with Mrs. McCain&#8217;s clothes 2) and that the row of people in the back are all wearing lighter clothes that would have been a better back drop for her. 3) McCain&#8217;s daughter is the only one wearing attire close to the lady&#8217;s color 4) and his daughter is positioned at an extreme angle compared to the rest (the reason this strikes me a little more odd is that if she were facing to the right, it would seem to flow better and her hair and complexion would break up the dark backdrop for the lady to the left). I hate that I can see how this could have been intentional. I really hope it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-415758</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Eric&#039;s original post that the photo is off:

I see one person placed bottom-left all by herself, a perfectly good empty space center-right that in comparison with the rest of the photo is &lt;em&gt;very vacant&lt;/em&gt;; and I wonder why she wasn&#039;t placed center-right instead.

I think the misplacement was either an accident, or intentionally done by the photographer to make the McCains look bad and to stir up controversies such as in this blog post.  Was this photo taken by the same photographer who took photos of McCain with a floodlight at his feet and photoshopped blood on his face?  If so, then the reason for the misplacement is obvious.

It&#039;s too bad the photo was so poorly done and that it (apparently) stirred up gossipy discusssions like the ones here on MeyerWeb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Eric&#8217;s original post that the photo is off:</p>
<p>I see one person placed bottom-left all by herself, a perfectly good empty space center-right that in comparison with the rest of the photo is <em>very vacant</em>; and I wonder why she wasn&#8217;t placed center-right instead.</p>
<p>I think the misplacement was either an accident, or intentionally done by the photographer to make the McCains look bad and to stir up controversies such as in this blog post.  Was this photo taken by the same photographer who took photos of McCain with a floodlight at his feet and photoshopped blood on his face?  If so, then the reason for the misplacement is obvious.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad the photo was so poorly done and that it (apparently) stirred up gossipy discusssions like the ones here on MeyerWeb.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-415750</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am prone to believe that her placement outside of the prominent, upmost frame of white faces is deliberate. But, I admit that I am biased against Republicans.

I would be interested in other McCain family photos and how the adopted child is positioned. Perhaps then a more objective conclusion would be possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am prone to believe that her placement outside of the prominent, upmost frame of white faces is deliberate. But, I admit that I am biased against Republicans.</p>
<p>I would be interested in other McCain family photos and how the adopted child is positioned. Perhaps then a more objective conclusion would be possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Surfer 1</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-415470</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Surfer 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the problem the first second I looked at it. Who in their right mind would pay $5 million for a frickin wedding ring. That&#039;s just wrong. Good catch Eric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the problem the first second I looked at it. Who in their right mind would pay $5 million for a frickin wedding ring. That&#8217;s just wrong. Good catch Eric.</p>
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		<title>By: jiF</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-414603</link>
		<dc:creator>jiF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horrible!

Proves the point though, that you cannot chose your family...;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horrible!</p>
<p>Proves the point though, that you cannot chose your family&#8230;;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cherim</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-414251</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cherim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought there was also a Middle Eastern, a Native American, and an Asian in the McCain family. That&#039;s it, no equal opportunity birthright, he lost my vote (as if he ever had it, HA).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought there was also a Middle Eastern, a Native American, and an Asian in the McCain family. That&#8217;s it, no equal opportunity birthright, he lost my vote (as if he ever had it, HA).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-414017</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm... I&#039;m also a little offended by the term &quot;blended&quot; in the headline - maybe I&#039;m reading into this too far, &#039;cause no one else has mentioned it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230; I&#8217;m also a little offended by the term &#8220;blended&#8221; in the headline &#8211; maybe I&#8217;m reading into this too far, &#8217;cause no one else has mentioned it!</p>
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		<title>By: Ronald</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-413170</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, interesting photo. Just stumbled across this because I was looking for advice on an IE CSS bug though :) 

The first time I looked at the picture I completely missed the black woman on the left floor. She kinda falls away in the background of the dark clothes everyone else wears. She&#039;s also dissonant in the style of her clothes. On the second look I thought: How nice, the au pair gets to be in the picture too. Since she&#039;s obviously a servant, indicated by the position in the picture. If she is the adopted daughter, her position in the picture would indicate her first name is &#039;Cinderella&#039; :)

In an election year, this is not a neutral picture. However much what we read in it springs from ourselves, this picture did not do neutral placement of the persons involved.

Disclaimer: I&#039;m Dutch, to me both candidates are quite far removed from my daily life though I sympathize with Obama since he strikes me as a pretty nice and thoughful person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, interesting photo. Just stumbled across this because I was looking for advice on an IE CSS bug though :) </p>
<p>The first time I looked at the picture I completely missed the black woman on the left floor. She kinda falls away in the background of the dark clothes everyone else wears. She&#8217;s also dissonant in the style of her clothes. On the second look I thought: How nice, the au pair gets to be in the picture too. Since she&#8217;s obviously a servant, indicated by the position in the picture. If she is the adopted daughter, her position in the picture would indicate her first name is &#8216;Cinderella&#8217; :)</p>
<p>In an election year, this is not a neutral picture. However much what we read in it springs from ourselves, this picture did not do neutral placement of the persons involved.</p>
<p>Disclaimer: I&#8217;m Dutch, to me both candidates are quite far removed from my daily life though I sympathize with Obama since he strikes me as a pretty nice and thoughful person.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2008/09/14/placement/#comment-411735</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 08:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bangladeshi? Well there go all the black racist theories then. Why is everyone always looking for trouble? What do any of us know about their family values? If a white person was placed in the darker woman&#039;s space, WOULD this have been &quot;disgusting and immoral &quot; too? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bangladeshi? Well there go all the black racist theories then. Why is everyone always looking for trouble? What do any of us know about their family values? If a white person was placed in the darker woman&#8217;s space, WOULD this have been &#8220;disgusting and immoral &#8221; too? I think not.</p>
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