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JavaScript Will Save Us All

A while back, I woke up one morning thinking, John Resig’s got some great CSS3 support in jQuery but it’s all forced into JS statements.  I should ask him if he could set things up like Dean EdwardsIE7 script so that the JS scans the author’s CSS, finds the advanced selectors, does any necessary backend juggling, and makes CSS3 selector support Transparently Just Work.  And then he could put that back into jQuery.

And then, after breakfast, I fired up my feed reader and saw Simon Willison‘s link to John Resig’s nascent Sizzle project.

I swear to Ged this is how it happened.

Personally, I can’t wait for Sizzle to be finished, because I’m absolutely going to use it and recommend its use far and wide.  As far as I’m concerned, though, it’s a first step into a larger world.

Think about it: most of the browser development work these days seems to be going into JavaScript performance.  Those engines are being overhauled and souped up and tuned and re-tuned to the point that performance is improving by orders of magnitude.  Scanning the DOM tree and doing things to it, which used to be slow and difficult, is becoming lightning-fast and easy.

So why not write JS to implement multiple background-image support in all browsers?  All that’s needed is to scan the CSS, find instances of multiple-image backgrounds, and then dynamically add divs, one per extra background image, to get the intended effect.

Just like that, you’ve used the browser’s JS to extend its CSS support.  This approach advances standards support in browsers from the ground up, instead of waiting for the browser teams to do it for us.

I suspect that not quite everything in CSS3 will be amenable to this approach, but you might be surprised.  Seems to me that you could do background sizing with some div-and-positioning tricks, and text-shadow could be supportable using a sIFR-like technique, though line breaks would be a bear to handle.  RGBa and HSLa colors could be simulated with creative element reworking and opacity, and HSL itself could be (mostly?) supported in IE with HSL-to-RGB calculations.  And so on.

There are two primary benefits here.  The first is obvious: we can stop waiting around for browser makers to give us what we want, thanks to their efforts on JS engines, and start using the advanced CSS we’ve been hearing about for years.  The second is that the process of finding out which parts of the spec work in the real world, and which fall down, will be greatly accelerated.  If it turns out nobody uses (say) background-clip, even given its availability via a CSS/JS library, then that’s worth knowing.

What I wonder is whether the W3C could be convinced that two JavaScript libraries supporting a given CSS module would constitute “interoperable implementations”, and thus allow the specification to move forward on the process track.  Or heck, what about considering a single library getting consistent support in two or more browsers as interoperable?  There’s a chance here to jump-start the entire process, front to back.

It is true that browsers without JavaScript will not get the advanced CSS effects, but older browsers don’t get our current CSS, and we use it anyway.  (Still older browsers don’t understand any CSS at all.)  It’s the same problem we’ve always faced, and everyone will face it differently.

We don’t have to restrict this to CSS, either.  As I showed with my href-anywhere demo, it’s possible to extend markup using JS.  (No, not without breaking validation: you’d need a custom DTD for that.  Hmmm.)  So it would be possible to use JS to, say, add audio and video support to currently-available browsers, and even older browsers.  All you’d have to do is convert the HTML5 element into HTML4 elements, dynamically writing out the needed attributes and so forth.  It might not be a perfect 1:1 translation, but it would likely be serviceable—and would tear down some of the highest barriers to adoption.

There’s more to consider, as well: the ability to create our very own “standards”.  Maybe you’ve always wanted a text-shake property, which jiggles the letters up and down randomly to look like the element got shaken up a bit.  Call it -myCSS-text-shake or something else with a proper “vendor” prefix—we’re all vendors now, baby!—and go to town.  Who knows?  If a property or markup element or attribute suddenly takes off like wildfire, it might well make it into a specification.  After all, the HTML 5 Working Group is now explicitly set up to prefer things which are implemented over things that are not.  Perhaps the CSS Working Group would move in a similar direction, given a world where we were all experimenting with our own ideas and seeing the best ideas gain widespread adoption.

In the end, as I said in Chicago last week, the triumph of standards (specifically, the DOM standard) will permit us to push standards support forward now, and save some standards that are currently dying on the vine.  All we have to do now is start pushing.  Sizzle is a start.  Who will take the next step, and the step after that?

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    • #1
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Justin wrote in to say...

    Mozilla, at least, does not make unrecognized CSS rules or properties accessible from JavaScript. IE does, which is why Dean Edward’s IE7 works. I’m not sure what other browsers do. One would have to write code to retrieve the raw stylesheet and parse it manually to see “new” selectors and properties.

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    • #3
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Tony wrote in to say...

    On a few projects I have sent an IE6 jQuery file to add a .hover or .submit class to replace things that don’t work on IE such as :hover or input[type=submit]. Something like this would be really handy as it would save my time and let me get on with important parts.

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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    • #5
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    mike wrote in to say...

    yes please. :)

    • #6
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Kyle Weems wrote in to say...

    At last! I’d been kicking around the idea of mimicking support of certain CSS3 abilities with JavaScript, but now I can be lazy and enjoy the fruits of a smarter, harder-working person’s labor. Sweet!

    @Justin – You may not be able to access CSS styles in Mozilla with JS via the normal stylesheet-related functions, but you can access the sheets via a technique like Ajax and then parsing the text inside. It’s not exactly as quick, mind you, but I did something when creating a script that would convert CSS3 pseudoclasses into classes for browsers that didn’t support the CSS3 selectors.

    • #7
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Matt Wilcox wrote in to say...

    Wow, Sizzle is EXACTLY the answer to a post I wrote a while back, about why CSS _must_ borrow more from programming languages to succeed in future. And here it is, a solution which incorporates a lot of the stuff I was talking about and which gives a middle finger to the W3C’s rational of “but CSS shouldn’t allow complex logic, and designers don’t want it anyway” (Bert Bos…)

    I hope you don’t mind me linking to my thoughts on CSS’s future, I think they tie in pretty well with what’s being said here.

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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    • #9
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Mike D. wrote in to say...

    Marching to our own standards, as you know, is something I’ve been pounding the table for for more than four years now. Everyone is capable of creating a benevolent new standard. What determines whether it is a “real” standard is not determined by who creates it, but rather who endorses and uses it.

    Widespread use = standard.

    One of the nicest examples I’ve seen of something along the lines of what you mention above is The Wolf’s <a href=”Absolute Clearance. The ability to clear absolutely positioned columns as if they were floats, using javascript… brilliant and ever so useful.

    • #10
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Scott Gale wrote in to say...

    Why is it that you contend that JavaScript is lightening fast at traversing these elements?

    Even with the new versions of jQuery, on IE6 and IE7, doing DOM traversal and manipulation still seems to slow down the page loading quite a bit.

    Lately, I have been able to optimize my page load times simply by replacing the DOM manipulation and traversal done in my JavaScript initialization functions with upfront rendering by CSS and my server-side templating language.

    It makes me tentative to go down the road of using JavaScript to replace CSS’ inadequacies.

    • #11
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Ash Searle wrote in to say...

    @Kyle Using AJAX to retrieve raw CSS is going to conflict with cross-site scripting restrictions. i.e. can you access CSS from other domains? Are you following YSlow’s recommendations to put all static content (CSS) on a CDN (another domain?)

    Also, how do you spot the difference between a rule the browser doesn’t understand, and one it does – without coding knowledge in for every browser? Does mutiple background-image support suddenly mean that is an array instead of a string? In all browsers?

    • #12
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Matt Chaput wrote in to say...

    Of course, adding extra DIVs to implement CSS tricks will probably break your other CSS selectors, and your DOM code, eventually.

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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    • #14
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    rob cherny wrote in to say...

    Hmmmm … unless I misunderstood …

    So at the Ajax Experience John Resig spoke a little bit about Sizzle but I don’t recall him saying anything about parsing CSS rules from files, etc. He seemed to be describing it as a standalone selector engine ala CSSQuery, only it could be plugged into jQuery and Prototype etc. etc. etc. But the specifying selector work would still have to be JS driven.

    I’d be delighted, don’t get me wrong.

    We will see. Either way, I still enjoy being able to specify advanced selectors in jQuery and have IE6 etc. apply a class that I know one day can GO AWAY.

    Maybe John will post here and discuss ;-)

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    • #17
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    • Wed 22 Oct 2008
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    Sean Hogan wrote in to say...

    There would be lots of restrictions on this solution:
    – Until we get CS-XHR the JS library can only read same-domain CSS files.
    – If the CSS-upgrade-in-JS adds elements to the DOM then other DOM manipulation code needs to work around it.

    What we really need is a solution like XBL2.

    • #18
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    • Thu 23 Oct 2008
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    Dao wrote in to say...

    There’s some confusion about what Sizzle does. rob cherny is right.

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    • #20
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    • Thu 23 Oct 2008
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    Stephen Hill wrote in to say...

    Hi Eric,

    I don’t agree with what your suggesting here because your essentially suggesting that people should go out and write their own CSS rendering engines.

    This is theory sounds fine; however, Web Developers/Designers currently have to battle with the differences in Real browser rendering engines and now we’ll have to take into consideration JavaScript rendering engines… if we choose to use them.

    Personally, I’m going to stick with Progressive Enhancement.


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    • #22
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    • Thu 23 Oct 2008
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    rob cherny wrote in to say...

    @Dao maybe, but i think the spirit of what Eric and other others are saying is pretty close to the mark.

    • #23
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    • Thu 23 Oct 2008
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    Kyle Weems wrote in to say...

    @Ash – Granted, that adds an extra wrinkle when the stylesheets are on another domain. But cross-site Ajax scripting solutions exist, so that’s something that can be worked around if need be. Since Resig is way more talented than I am at this, I’m suspecting he’s going to use a better solution to the “accessing rules that Mozilla ignores” problem that Justin mentioned.

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    • Thu 23 Oct 2008
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    Ivan wrote in to say...

    Yeah I don’t think sizzle works that way, but it might be nice. A problem with js-based resolution of selectors is also that the dom might be updated via ajax, and then after the selectors would need to be re-applied. To make that transparent to the developer seems reaaaaly tricky.

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    • #26
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    • Fri 24 Oct 2008
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    Georg Tavonius wrote in to say...

    Sizzle is definitly a standalone DOM-Selection engine. If you would want one of those who seems to be working right now, I consider Peppy a nice and really fast one. But both are not designed for reading css.

    But still, I consider this idea of yours, eric, as a really good one. One that is worth to be followed. If someone finds a way to make this happen and working fast, it really could push forward the way we designer could use the browsers and design websites for it.


    • #27
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    • Fri 24 Oct 2008
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    Chris Hester wrote in to say...

    One of your best posts ever.

    • #28
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    • Sat 25 Oct 2008
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    Alan Gresley wrote in to say...

    And web standards just fly right out the window. I can see Bert Bos shaking his head over this hybrid JS / CSS language that you and others are proposing. Will you stop pandering to the interest of MS and their antiquated bundled software called IE. Break the web now.

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    • #31
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    • Sun 26 Oct 2008
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    Erik wrote in to say...

    With all the work being done to add variables/constants and expressions to CSS, and the widespread use of JS libraries to enhance websites, it feels more and more like the two should merge.

    Make CSS part of javascript so that I can interact with it without loading a large JS library.

    Further, imagine if HTML didn’t have a fixed set of tags, then you could have all the semantics you wanted – and you wouldn’t need all those IDs and classes littering your markup just to style or add functionality to your site!

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    • Mon 27 Oct 2008
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    Jowra wrote in to say...

    Totally wrong. There are so many users out there with javascript turned off, browsers without javascript support (mobiles and others).

    The important thing should still be (X)HTML and CSS progressivly enhanced through js. What you and others are propagating, is a new web build only on javascript.

    This Web 2.0/AJAX stuff has already lead into many, many websites that are unusable without js. Not need for more of this.

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    • Mon 27 Oct 2008
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    westworld wrote in to say...

    Maybe something Google( could host. One file for every browser. After a while people would have it cached.

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    • Mon 27 Oct 2008
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    Chris Hester wrote in to say...

    Further, imagine if HTML didn’t have a fixed set of tags, then you could have all the semantics you wanted…

    Welcome to XML Erik!

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    • Mon 27 Oct 2008
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    Douglas wrote in to say...

    Would it be too lame if I said this was the most exciting thing I read all day?

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    • #40
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    • Thu 30 Oct 2008
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    David Rogers wrote in to say...

    Call me a purist, but it seems that this approach, while novel, is more of an academic exercise and a bold hack, not a solution (note: I realize that this opinion will probably get me flamed :/). Using javscript to add additional markup in order to “simulate” multiple bg images is just _asking_ for headaches, IMO. I know that’s an extreme example, but let’s not get to thinking that javascript will save the browsers and alleviate all our problems.

    What Eric suggested initially is a great idea: use your CSS3-compliant javascript library of choice to apply CSS3-compliant style rules to elements that the browser’s rendering engine has politely ignored. We already do this with all those wacky (and insanely helpful) CSS2 selectors, so why not keep building?

    That’s my 2 cents.

    • #41
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    • Thu 30 Oct 2008
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    Richard Fink wrote in to say...

    Javascript to the rescue on another front, as well:
    ZoomPerfect is the name of the product and it quite elegantly solves a problem that has been, for years, presumed to be unsolvable.
    It uses javascript to turn Internet Explorer’s Text Size menu into a true Text Zoom and/or Style-Switcher; enabling IE to size and resize text set in pixels; detect and modify Zoom levels; and a lot more.
    Works transparently, quite amazing.
    It’s in “preview” at the moment awaiting a more solid Beta of IE8.
    All invited to stop by, check it out, and sign up for updates until the final release.

    • #42
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    • Fri 31 Oct 2008
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    Derek Featherstone wrote in to say...

    @jowra, you say that:

    The important thing should still be (X)HTML and CSS progressivly enhanced through js. What you and others are propagating, is a new web build only on javascript.

    I don’t read this suggestion as a web that is built only on JavaScript at all. It is still progressive enhancement and not built solely on JavaScript. This is a means to get extensions as a temporary solution for shortcomings in CSS3 implementations in browsers. Eric says so himself when he talks about using the JS to extend CSS and markup. Extend means it would already work on its own, but it would work better when JS is enabled.

    That is progressive enhancement — maybe not as first envisioned, but it still builds on that solid platform.

    @Eric: I’m very much interested in this idea; we’re using it in a number of ways already to extend and enhance the accessibility and usability of the web — we’re fixing behaviours, bugs and other problems with the way things work by using JavaScript. It seems perfectly logical to me to explore what you’re suggesting, provided that there is a solid foundation of HTML, CSS and JS upon which we would build.

    • #43
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    • Sat 1 Nov 2008
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    jim doran wrote in to say...

    Thank you Eric!

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    • #45
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    • Tue 4 Nov 2008
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    Clay McIlrath wrote in to say...

    I had a very similar idea to this, but it went a little further.. along with supporting CSS3 by dissecting the stylesheets, wouldn’t it be cool to have the framework read and render XML and XML styles and if the browser was one that didn’t natively support XML styles, it would then replace the xml with a div with a class that was equivelent? Check it out..

    <error>Your page had an error</error>

    error { color: red; }

    The framework would then replace this in non-compliant browsers with:

    <div class="error">Your page had an error</div>

    • #46
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    • Wed 12 Nov 2008
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    Stephan Helbig wrote in to say...

    This would sure make life a lot easier. The only browser that currently supports css selectors like #my_id input[type=radio]:checked + label correctly is FireFox 2+ as far as I know. I use it in one of my recent projects, iStylr – CSS Template Generator anyhow and therefore limit access to FireFox users only (not the best way – I know)

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    • Wed 19 Nov 2008
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    Thomas Maierhofer wrote in to say...

    Your statements are great! The same problem is the support of CANVAS element and SVG support. On my own project i must use excanvas to emulate the canvas element on IE.

    jQuery plugin to put a canvas in the background of a div and paint round corners, gradients or whatever you want on it

    And Microsoft statet: “no support of canvas in IE8”. Without JavaScript I’m lost…

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    • #53
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    • Fri 19 Dec 2008
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    Luke Cameron wrote in to say...

    border-radius anyone?

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    • Fri 16 Jan 2009
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    Daniel Wachsstock wrote in to say...

    The idea of using js to fix browser CSS has been implemented in Andy Kent’s JSS and I have a CSS parser/jQuery-plugin adapter (to do things like div { -jquery-shakeUp: fast 5px } in the stylesheets. The documentation still needs work, but the code works nicely in all the major browsers. Demo here.

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    • Fri 13 Mar 2009
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    Deryk wrote in to say...

    Brilliant Eric. As more and more modern browsers support CSS3 we use javascript to fix the old non-compliant ones. If it’s a bit slower on ie6 so be it – it’s time to move on. This is the ultimate in progressive enhancement. I also support the idea of creating our own sellectors, we are the ones building the web, so we should be the ones helping to design the architecture as well – from the ground up.

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    • Tue 9 Jun 2009
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    David Joseph wrote in to say...

    The problem is not with older browsers but with those choose or have inflicted upon them no JS or worse (potentially) firewalls with adaptive JS support…

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    […] foray in mobile, one of those things for me right now is JavaScript. Often maligned, sometimes heralded, it’s obvious people have lots of opinions on what is one of the most widely deployed […]

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    […] Transcending CSS, recommending Dean Edwards‘ ie7-js scripts. Eric Meyer has also written that JavaScript Will Save Us All to “use the browser’s JS to extend its CSS support”. I still think that this is an option […]

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